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Johnathan you never did answer the question on Psalms 65:7-11 and Hebrews 3:7-11, how do they compare and who is speaking?
In 1 Corinthians 8:6 we read... But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:5-6 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.
1. Yahweh, he is God; there is none other besides him. Deut. 4:35
2. Yahweh, He is God in Heaven above and on the Earth below; there is NO OTHER. Deut. 4:39
3. See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me. Deut. 32:39
4. Hear O' Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is One. Deut 6:4
5. You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like you, and there is no God besides you. 2 Sam. 7:22
6. For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock besides our God? 2 Sam. 22:32
7. Yahweh is God, there is no one else. 1st Kings 8:60
8. Before me there was NO GOD formed, and there will be none after me. Isa 43:10
9. "I am the first and Iam the last, and there is no God besides Me. Isa. 44:6
10. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God. 1st Tim 1:17
I have provided a partial list that declares that God is one and not three persons, I challenge you or anyone else to declare through scripture the words that emphatically say... God in three persons, or three in one, or that our God is a Triune God, or that God is a unity of three distinct persons.
Please provide me direct scripture that declares a trinity, do you not have any witnesses?
9. "I am the first and Iam the last, and there is no God besides Me. Isa. 44:6
And in John's Revelation on Patmos:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And in John's Revelation on Patmos:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
How about I give this for an answer and then you can go back sucking on your lolly pop. All three spoke as one God, with one voice and one mind, as one Creator, revealing one Godhead through theantric action. Did I nullify the Trinity, I don't think so. The amazing thing is that Jesus as the God-man understood the importance of being one with the Father and never made a provision to nullify that oneness and we can see through the scriptures that they are one and yet have different functions in God's plan, which also includes the Holy Spirit. I have no problem seeing all three functioning as the Godhead (singular) revealing eternal uncreated life that is immutable and indestructible. This is the life that is in the Father and the Son and is given to us by the eternal Spirit. That's fun and full of joy just to think of the Godhead in this manner. What a great God we have that changes not and fulfills every good word of His promise. The Father sent the Son, the Son ascended back to the Father, the Son sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in man who believes and the Spirit and the bride say COME! Amen, Nothing contrived about that!
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O.K. now back up your belief in providing just one scripture that emphatically says that God is in three persons, or that all three spoke as one God. Better yet, provide one scripture that says all three funtioned as one. Don't you realize that you are caught up in the tradition of the Catholic Church and the so called Church fathers?
1. Explain why none of the prophets ever spoke of three persons in the Godhead.
2. Explain why the Apostles never taught the trinity, no mention of it anywhere!
3. Explain why the word Trinity or Triune is never mentioned not even once in the entire bible.
Don't know about you, but if can not be found, it is an obvious doctrine of men.
All the scriptures have been provided over and over in other threads. I suggest you use the 'search' feature and go to those threads, because I am not providing them again. If you don't want to believe the three persons that make up, as a trichotomy, the Godhead the same way that man is a trichotomy made up of spirit, soul and body, yet reveal only one person, then don't believe it and keep accusing others of man made doctrines. I don't really care what you believe. You have your faith, so go and live by it if that's what you want. So be it.
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"el" is the Spanish word for "the" ... 'tis this to which I doth referest, and my Lord Jesus Christ knows it.
So, now you're free to answer these questions:
1) Why did Jesus constantly pray to His Father God?
2) Why are there several verses saying Jesus is "equal" to Father God?
3) Why are there several verses saying Father God created "all things" through Jesus?
4) Why do you guys call yourselves pentecostals? ... how many of you speak in tongues?
How are you guys doing evangelizing the world with signs and wonders following?
Any results? Please include links to websites, etc. Thanks.
If you don't answer them, you should be banned for wasting our time.
Good luck.
So, now you're free to answer these questions:
1) Why did Jesus constantly pray to His Father God?
2) Why are there several verses saying Jesus is "equal" to Father God?
3) Why are there several verses saying Father God created "all things" through Jesus?
4) Why do you guys call yourselves pentecostals? ... how many of you speak in tongues?
How are you guys doing evangelizing the world with signs and wonders following?
Any results? Please include links to websites, etc. Thanks.
If you don't answer them, you should be banned for wasting our time.
Good luck.
As per my instruction, I am taught elohim means powerful ones, and it is used in Hebrew for leaders, God Almighty, gods, and God's sons, you and I.
The name of God, Yahweh, is the gerund (noun) form of the verb to be, hayah, and only the Almighty Maker is able to use this name in truth because the gerund form means "to will to be." Only the Maker of all that is can accomplish this, that is, to will to be. Everything else exists until Yahweh says it does not. We, as His children, are commanded to live forever with Him in glory. I do not want to think about others. May Yahweh bless and keep all who are in Yeshua, and all who will come to Him, amen.
The name of God, Yahweh, is the gerund (noun) form of the verb to be, hayah, and only the Almighty Maker is able to use this name in truth because the gerund form means "to will to be." Only the Maker of all that is can accomplish this, that is, to will to be. Everything else exists until Yahweh says it does not. We, as His children, are commanded to live forever with Him in glory. I do not want to think about others. May Yahweh bless and keep all who are in Yeshua, and all who will come to Him, amen.
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I am a pentecostal. Let me say that I have recently found out that there are two different pentecostal churches. I am a member of the Church of God (Cleveland TN). I will list some chapters and verses that backs up the trinity in the bible (King James). Genesis 1:26, Matthew 28:19-20, Deuteromnomy 6:4 and Colossians 2:9. Each of this supports the Godhead (trinity).
No charms blow pop for me; you can keep it for yourself. :-D
Nope. Creation was by/through/for the Logos. A "unison" speaking would also be a paradox.
Whose Logos IS the Logos? Who spoke the Logos? Who uttered? Who spoke?
The Logos is the spoken Word if there is an utterance. There was an utterance.
Did the Logos speak itself forth? The Logos was spoken forth. Who spoke the Logos?
Trinity is an unresolvable paradox of man's inane doctrine, band-aided with the extra-biblical term "persons".
Nope. Creation was by/through/for the Logos. A "unison" speaking would also be a paradox.
Whose Logos IS the Logos? Who spoke the Logos? Who uttered? Who spoke?
The Logos is the spoken Word if there is an utterance. There was an utterance.
Did the Logos speak itself forth? The Logos was spoken forth. Who spoke the Logos?
Trinity is an unresolvable paradox of man's inane doctrine, band-aided with the extra-biblical term "persons".
You can have your contrived lolly blow pop because it will last only as long as you keep sucking on it, but there are those of us who won't get sucked into your contrived rhetoric where there is no joy, no liberty, no peace and not true conviction of truth through the Spirit. You make something so difficult that God has made so easy to understand in our spirit. Don't bother responding, because I don't care what you have to say, if others do, then that is their business.
In other words... Rot is pouting because he can't support his indoctrinated belief in the erroneous doctrines of men and always attacks personally and judgementally with venomous vitriol. The serpent's way.
You can't answer. No one can answer. Trinity is error. You've shown that by beating the air and then running away.
God is not three "persons". You are deceived and glad for it. Your personal hatred for me drives you. I have joy, liberty, and peace by the Holy Ghost. There's no way for you to know otherwise.
I've asked. You can't answer. Simple.
You can't answer. No one can answer. Trinity is error. You've shown that by beating the air and then running away.
God is not three "persons". You are deceived and glad for it. Your personal hatred for me drives you. I have joy, liberty, and peace by the Holy Ghost. There's no way for you to know otherwise.
I've asked. You can't answer. Simple.
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Answer to questions
1. Psalm 65:2 O' thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall ALL flesh come. Jesus as the Son of God was flesh and blood, he had to pray that the scripture be not broken.
2. Because all the fulness of the Godhead is in Christ, they are one. Jesus was not in the Godhead, the Godhead or fulness of the Father was in Christ, for the scripture says that the Spirit was not given to him by measure, which means all the fulness power and authoruty.
3. If you better understood the Eternal, then you will know that all time is alike to the Father, for there is no difference. The Son has a name written on his thigh... The word of God. God spoke through his Word and created all things.
4. We call ourselves Apostolic and pentecostal because of the Apostles doctrine and the born again experience of speaking in tongues, everyone I know in the Pentecostal faith speaks in the prayer lanquage.
5. Yes and we have churches in 192 countries, goggle the united petecostal Church Int. And by personal experience miracles signs and wonders do follow. I don't need to list them because you are not a believer.
1. Psalm 65:2 O' thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall ALL flesh come. Jesus as the Son of God was flesh and blood, he had to pray that the scripture be not broken.
2. Because all the fulness of the Godhead is in Christ, they are one. Jesus was not in the Godhead, the Godhead or fulness of the Father was in Christ, for the scripture says that the Spirit was not given to him by measure, which means all the fulness power and authoruty.
3. If you better understood the Eternal, then you will know that all time is alike to the Father, for there is no difference. The Son has a name written on his thigh... The word of God. God spoke through his Word and created all things.
4. We call ourselves Apostolic and pentecostal because of the Apostles doctrine and the born again experience of speaking in tongues, everyone I know in the Pentecostal faith speaks in the prayer lanquage.
5. Yes and we have churches in 192 countries, goggle the united petecostal Church Int. And by personal experience miracles signs and wonders do follow. I don't need to list them because you are not a believer.