against oneness pentecostalism

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jonathanbchristian

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oneness pentecostalism does not agree with 1 john 5:7 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost: and these three are one. they do not believe three bear record oneness believers are against matthew 28:19 go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost: oneness pentacostals do not believe that the son or holy spirit exist or bear record. they absorb the son and the spirit into the father as though they were only names of the father. then in hypocricy they absorb the names of the father and holy spirit into the name jesus for baptism. they treat the names of the father and the holy spirit as profane during baptism and profane them by saying they are not even names. oneness pentecostals do not believe in the existence of elohim or the one gods. elohim is used in the old testament as a name for god but it is plural. that is proof three bore record in the old testiment aswell. sorry about the lower case i am posting on my cellphone.
 
Avinu

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Jonathan, the first line you wrote does back up Oneness. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word,and the Holy Spirit, and these three are ONE. "

So it is no different. Shalom
 
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If a person cannot believe the All Able God can do anything, even manifesting Himself in any manner, I believe that person is not prepared to believe much of anything except perhaps dogmas and doctrines unakin to accepting the Word as it is purported. May God bless all who are in Yeshua, and all who will be, amen.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
oneness pentecostalism does not agree with 1 john 5:7 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost: and these three are one. they do not believe three bear record oneness believers are against matthew 28:19 go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost: oneness pentacostals do not believe that the son or holy spirit exist or bear record. they absorb the son and the spirit into the father as though they were only names of the father. then in hypocricy they absorb the names of the father and holy spirit into the name jesus for baptism. they treat the names of the father and the holy spirit as profane during baptism and profane them by saying they are not even names. oneness pentecostals do not believe in the existence of elohim or the one gods. elohim is used in the old testament as a name for god but it is plural. that is proof three bore record in the old testiment aswell. sorry about the lower case i am posting on my cellphone.
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That verse says all three are one not in unity but one.God is the Father he came in the flesh of his Son and he is a Spirit the Bible says. He is all three im not saying there is 3 gods im saying one God that has 3 different titles.and as for the verse u said in Matthew that verse was change by the catholics years ago. They had it changed so it can fit their doctrine. The original verse is something real close to this Go and baptized in my name. But it got change by catholic
 
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1v1

'...and the Word was with God...' Smashes the heresy of Sebellianism!

'...and the Word was God.' Smashes the heresy of Arianianism!

Yahweh Shalom...
 
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Avinu said:
Jonathan, the first line you wrote does back up Oneness. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word,and the Holy Spirit, and these three are ONE. "

So it is no different. Shalom
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Not really. Oneness (in most forms) puts forth the idea that God has manifested himself in different modes throughout history (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The verse fits in with the Trinity because it states that there are three in Heaven, but yet they are one. So we have a sort of a composite unity if you will, or in other words a Trinity.
 
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theBibleisawsome said:
That verse says all three are one not in unity but one.God is the Father he came in the flesh of his Son and he is a Spirit the Bible says. He is all three im not saying there is 3 gods im saying one God that has 3 different titles.and as for the verse u said in Matthew that verse was change by the catholics years ago. They had it changed so it can fit their doctrine. The original verse is something real close to this Go and baptized in my name. But it got change by catholic
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Substantiate that if you will.
 
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One wrong does not make another wrong right. Oneness pentecostals believe in salvation conditioned on the work of the sinner. There are various trinitarian traditions who believes the same thing in that regard.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
oneness pentecostalism does not agree with 1 john 5:7 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost: and these three are one. they do not believe three bear record oneness believers are against matthew 28:19 go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost: oneness pentacostals do not believe that the son or holy spirit exist or bear record. they absorb the son and the spirit into the father as though they were only names of the father. then in hypocricy they absorb the names of the father and holy spirit into the name jesus for baptism. they treat the names of the father and the holy spirit as profane during baptism and profane them by saying they are not even names. oneness pentecostals do not believe in the existence of elohim or the one gods. elohim is used in the old testament as a name for god but it is plural. that is proof three bore record in the old testiment aswell. sorry about the lower case i am posting on my cellphone.
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I believe in one God who simultaneously is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as a man can simultaneously be a dad, son, and husband.
 
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SantoSubito said:
Not really. Oneness (in most forms) puts forth the idea that God has manifested himself in different modes throughout history (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The verse fits in with the Trinity because it states that there are three in Heaven, but yet they are one. So we have a sort of a composite unity if you will, or in other words a Trinity.
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So are you saying that in heaven there is three thrones? I read that there is one and one who sat on it, one who stood in the midst of it!
 
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jonathanbchristian

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i would rather believe god is three and one than believe he is only one and talks to himself or calls himself his only son. three and one fits the bible. oneness takes away the witness of 2/3rds of god and only allows one to bear record. 1 john 5:7 says three bear record in heaven.
 
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Please do not come to the forum to berate others' faith. You know that is not the purpose of fellowship.
 
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i would rather believe god is three and one than believe he is only one and talks to himself or calls himself his only son. three and one fits the bible. oneness takes away the witness of 2/3rds of god and only allows one to bear record. 1 john 5:7 says three bear record in heaven.
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Johnathan, your concept as well as others of the Oneness of God is largely misunderstoood. So lets clarify some points that need addressed...

1. I never claimed that Jesus prayed to himself, that would be blasphemy.
2. Jesus clearly stated that he could do nothing of himself, the Father he doeth the works.
3. Jesus said that the doctrine (teaching) was not his, but whatever he heard of the Father that he spake.
4. Jesus plainly declared that God (Father) is Spirit, Jesus the Son was clearly flesh and blood.
5. Jesus is begotten of the Father, and is known as the second Adam, the first Adam was made a living soul, the second Adam a quickening spirit.
6. Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Father can not sacrifice himself.
7. The Oneness of God in Christ, was that the Spirit was not given to him by measure, but that all the fulness of the Godhead (The Father) dwelt (Lived in Him).
8. The Father is the only wise God and invisible, The Father is Spirit, i.e. the Holy Spirit.
9. The power of the highest overshadowed Mary and that Jesus is clearly the Son of the Holy Spirit, for Gabriel declared to Mary that that holy thing which is in thee... IS OF THE HOLY GHOST, we would say HOLY SPIRIT.
10. It stands to reason by authority of the scripture alone, that the Father is clearly the Holy Spirit and not the third person of the Holy Trinity.
11. The scriptures clearly teach that God is One, and this teaching extends to the N.T.

WHAT THE BIBLE NEVER SAID

1. The Bible never taught that God is in three persons, that language was never used in the scriptures. But it did teach that God was in Christ, the fulness of the Godhead is in Christ.

2. The Bible never declared that three persons is co-equal, none before or after, this is a teaching of the Catholic Church and has no authority nor place in the scriptures.

3. The Bible never taught a eternal Sonship, that language is not found anywhere in the Bible, but the Bible teaches that there is One eternal, One invisible, One only wise God.

So Johnathan what oneness people actually believe is... That the Father came down from the excellent glory and robed himself in flesh, the Son is the express image of the Father and the manifest image of the invisble God, Jesus said: When you see me, you see the Father, and henceforth have known him and seen him. In otherwords Johnathan, the Father manifest in Christ is the reflection of himself in the face of the Son.

Jesus declared that except that you believe that I AM he, you shall die in your sins. If you can not believe in the Name (POWER AND AUTHORITY) of the only begotten Son you will be lost.

All Power is given to me in heaven and earth. Who but God has all power and authority?
 
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Here are the questions that el prophecy man has refused to answer ...

1) Why did Jesus constantly pray to His Father God?

2) Why are there several verses saying Jesus is "equal" to Father God?

3) Why are there several verses saying Father God created "all things" through Jesus?

4) Why do you guys call yourselves pentecostals? ... how many of you speak in tongues?
How are you guys doing evangelizing the world with signs and wonders following?
Any results? Please include links to websites, etc. Thanks.

HINT: I hate false doctrine.
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jonathanbchristian

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the bible never says that the father is the holy spirit. that's obvious false doctrine. give one verse that proves it.
 
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