AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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Its ok i realise tat you obviouly want to cause others to lose there head buts thats ok im wise to ways now have a nice life and may you find peace but remember you are saved by the grace if dont you have grace the truth is not in you.
one more i like to say is this you can fool people some of the time but carnt feel people all of time the only who your fooling is your self wake up sleep and rise from the dead , God bless
one more i like to say is this you can fool people some of the time but carnt feel people all of time the only who your fooling is your self wake up sleep and rise from the dead , God bless
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t is one paragraph. It reads,," actually keeping the ten commandments through the word of the new covenant is what saves you as i believe the ten commandments cover every eventuality You can take THAT as me thinking it is only works that saves or you could take it as works through faith,
Dude those are your words. If you did not mean it. Then explain yourself and I will ask your forgiveness for misunderstanding you.
otherwise if you want to act like everyone else who does not like to be questioned. then maybe you need to join them and leave this chat room, because this is a discussion forum, If you do not like being questioned, then you do not need to be here.
Dude those are your words. If you did not mean it. Then explain yourself and I will ask your forgiveness for misunderstanding you.
otherwise if you want to act like everyone else who does not like to be questioned. then maybe you need to join them and leave this chat room, because this is a discussion forum, If you do not like being questioned, then you do not need to be here.
This doesn't make sense. Re-read this interaction and clarify, please.
Why is that "law", and what is wrong with it? What is wrong with doing something God told you to do? Now, if you leave it at just a basic interaction of, "He said to do this, I will do it." You're missing out on something. So I'll let you answer your own question, "Why did he say not to eat pork?"
Where in the law did God and/or Moses say the goal was to keep it "perfectly" as you say? What would happen in the OT if Israel didn't keep the law "perfectly"? What would happen to them?
All of these questions and answers aside, there is still one very simple truth that very few people will engage with.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
All of the reasoning in the world, and all of the commentary of what Paul supposedly says, means nothing until this verse is addressed.
Why is that "law", and what is wrong with it? What is wrong with doing something God told you to do? Now, if you leave it at just a basic interaction of, "He said to do this, I will do it." You're missing out on something. So I'll let you answer your own question, "Why did he say not to eat pork?"
Where in the law did God and/or Moses say the goal was to keep it "perfectly" as you say? What would happen in the OT if Israel didn't keep the law "perfectly"? What would happen to them?
All of these questions and answers aside, there is still one very simple truth that very few people will engage with.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
All of the reasoning in the world, and all of the commentary of what Paul supposedly says, means nothing until this verse is addressed.
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true.
We still go through the discipline commands spoken in scripture (1 on 1, A witness, and finally confront in front of the whole assembly) before we ask them to leave, But we have been forced to do this a few times. most people repent before they have to face the whole church, thats why it is so good..lol
We still go through the discipline commands spoken in scripture (1 on 1, A witness, and finally confront in front of the whole assembly) before we ask them to leave, But we have been forced to do this a few times. most people repent before they have to face the whole church, thats why it is so good..lol
It's both of them, not just a "ministry of death".
If you think God said the law was a curse because of this passage, you also have to say that it was a blessing as well, because God said it was.
That's the point. The law is not just a curse, or death. It was God's loving instruction to His people. Obedience to it has a blessing. Disobedience to has a consequence.
If you think God said the law was a curse because of this passage, you also have to say that it was a blessing as well, because God said it was.
That's the point. The law is not just a curse, or death. It was God's loving instruction to His people. Obedience to it has a blessing. Disobedience to has a consequence.
Only one fit to make these kinds of judgements could/can do so....
None of us are fit for this, but there is one who is...
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
None of us are fit for this, but there is one who is...
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
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our topic is law. You said OT, Huge difference.
Because he called it unclean. He was asking the children of Israel to be separate and act different. Do not eat what is unclean. A gentile was unclean also. Does that mean jews should still not associate with gentiles?
Some things he gave were symbolic, to make a point.
I eat pork all the time, Do you think I am sinning when I do this? (I also hang out with those dirty old unclean gentiles)
your joking right. How many times do we have to post those verses. do you people ever read?
I get sick of posting the same things over and over, go back and read
again I ask.
If I do not commit adultery, fornication, I do not covet, I honor my parents, do not make any idols, do not steal or murder, and keep the sabbath am I a holy righteous person? a non believer can do these things, does this separate us from them?
as paul said, when gentiles who do not have the law, do the things which are written in the law by nature. what do you think he meant?
Because he called it unclean. He was asking the children of Israel to be separate and act different. Do not eat what is unclean. A gentile was unclean also. Does that mean jews should still not associate with gentiles?
Some things he gave were symbolic, to make a point.
I eat pork all the time, Do you think I am sinning when I do this? (I also hang out with those dirty old unclean gentiles)
your joking right. How many times do we have to post those verses. do you people ever read?
I get sick of posting the same things over and over, go back and read
again I ask.
If I do not commit adultery, fornication, I do not covet, I honor my parents, do not make any idols, do not steal or murder, and keep the sabbath am I a holy righteous person? a non believer can do these things, does this separate us from them?
as paul said, when gentiles who do not have the law, do the things which are written in the law by nature. what do you think he meant?
So it's OK to live by instructions that are in the OT, but not if they're in the Law? Please clarify.
Don't you think God still cares about His people being separate and different than the world? To be clean? Eating pork is a picture of that, an opportunity remember that, even when we're eating. Not eating pork isn't the focus. As you said, it's about staying away from what is "unclean". That was the whole point of the Law, to show Israel how to live with God in their midst. The law provides me countless ways to bring God into my life in real and practical ways.
Where did God say Gentiles were unclean? He never did. The Pharisees did, and that's what God addressed with Peter's vision. If Jews don't associate with gentiles because they're "unclean", that's all on them, and has absolutely nothing to do with Scripture.
So no, you're not sinning when you hang out with Gentiles. And eating pork is only a sin if it's something God has laid on your heart, and if you choose to be disobedient to it.
Can you at least point me back to the post where you quoted the Scripture where God or Moses said Israel had to keep the law perfectly?
You're still making an argument against something I am not saying. Obedience has nothing to do with me being seen as holy and righteous before God.
I'd still like to hear your take on:
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Don't you think God still cares about His people being separate and different than the world? To be clean? Eating pork is a picture of that, an opportunity remember that, even when we're eating. Not eating pork isn't the focus. As you said, it's about staying away from what is "unclean". That was the whole point of the Law, to show Israel how to live with God in their midst. The law provides me countless ways to bring God into my life in real and practical ways.
Where did God say Gentiles were unclean? He never did. The Pharisees did, and that's what God addressed with Peter's vision. If Jews don't associate with gentiles because they're "unclean", that's all on them, and has absolutely nothing to do with Scripture.
So no, you're not sinning when you hang out with Gentiles. And eating pork is only a sin if it's something God has laid on your heart, and if you choose to be disobedient to it.
Can you at least point me back to the post where you quoted the Scripture where God or Moses said Israel had to keep the law perfectly?
You're still making an argument against something I am not saying. Obedience has nothing to do with me being seen as holy and righteous before God.
I'd still like to hear your take on:
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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romans 4:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, [SUP]15 [/SUP]because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
Gal 3:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[SUP][i][/SUP] who is Christ. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[SUP][j][/SUP] that it should make the promise of no effect. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
1 Timothy 1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
How to fulfill the law
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, [SUP]15 [/SUP]because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
Gal 3:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[SUP][i][/SUP] who is Christ. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[SUP][j][/SUP] that it should make the promise of no effect. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
1 Timothy 1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
How to fulfill the law
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
