AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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OK, you've got a lot of great verses there, and a lot of truth in them. However, their context is directed towards those who are using the law for justification's sake. And even if there is some debate to their context, shouldn't they be interpreted through God's, or Jesus's words, of which you quoted none?
Again....
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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and again I will ask you
If I do not commit adultery, fornication, I do not covet, I honor my parents, do not make any idols, do not steal or murder, and keep the sabbath am I a holy righteous person? a non believer can do these things, does this separate us from them?
as paul said, when gentiles who do not have the law, do the things which are written in the law by nature. what do you think he meant?
Do I need the law to show me not to do these things? or how to do those things?
Yes, If I teach someonbe to commit adultry and it is ok. I am least in the kingdom. But do I need the law to tell me this? Or is this the law written in my heart (ie the gentile quote and see also romans 1)
Romans 1:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[SUP][c][/SUP] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, [SUP]30 [/SUP]backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[SUP][d][/SUP] unmerciful; [SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
yes i do i will show you one more time and thats it 1 John 5:18 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever,
now im through with you obviusly you can mess up and evryone one as messed up the farther takes your sins away if your a child of god obviusly would you like me to show scripture for that or hopefully you have read that allready in isaih i posted earlier
now im through with you obviusly you can mess up and evryone one as messed up the farther takes your sins away if your a child of god obviusly would you like me to show scripture for that or hopefully you have read that allready in isaih i posted earlier
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eph was not wrritten for this purpose. that is a stretch.
2. Paul told us what the pupose of the law was. even if he was speaking against LAWyers, it does not take away what he said, Paul did not lie, or twist the truth to teach against judaism, He was telling you and I what the purpose for the law was also
3. Saying love fulfills the law. is a fact. not teaching against judaism
2. Paul told us what the pupose of the law was. even if he was speaking against LAWyers, it does not take away what he said, Paul did not lie, or twist the truth to teach against judaism, He was telling you and I what the purpose for the law was also
3. Saying love fulfills the law. is a fact. not teaching against judaism
I only quoted my marks, to show you that not only have I studied the Old Testament, but the culture around it. Last year, i our church Ladies Bible Study, with over 60 women, I wrote an entire powerpoint series we did over an entire year, on the history, the culture, the geography and the archeology that concerns the Bible, and 90% of it was on the Old Testament.
You are the one who does not:
1. Understand the different between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant
2. That I am NOT saying the Old Covenant is obsolete, but the Bible itself, in so many, many passages. But the most telling is the passage that uses the word obsolete.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
Who makes the first one, or the Old Covenant complete? Who makes the Old Covenant obsolete? Christ Jesus and his death on the cross. The Old Covenant was about a covenant with Abraham, based on the sacrificial system. But even that is not the whole truth, as the Abraham's real righteousness was based on believing God, not a the Mosaic law or the sacrificial system.
"Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?" Gal. 3:5-6
We are NOT justified by works of the law.
"yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Gal. 2:16
Again, read Hebrews and Galatians for yourselves. These are the books that were specifically written to Judiazers and Hebrew Roots movement, which started back right in 48 AD, and Paul rebuking the Galatians.
I just do not understand how you can think I make this stuff up based on my "opinion!" I base it solely on the Word of God.
And if you think I am wrong about it the Old Covenant being obsolete, then stop posting opinions, and post the verses, that say the Old Covenant is still in effect. Just post the verses, the book, chapter and verses, just as I have done above. I have coloured and bolded it so it will stand out. Because God's word should stand out more than anything else.
You are the one who does not:
1. Understand the different between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant
2. That I am NOT saying the Old Covenant is obsolete, but the Bible itself, in so many, many passages. But the most telling is the passage that uses the word obsolete.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13
Who makes the first one, or the Old Covenant complete? Who makes the Old Covenant obsolete? Christ Jesus and his death on the cross. The Old Covenant was about a covenant with Abraham, based on the sacrificial system. But even that is not the whole truth, as the Abraham's real righteousness was based on believing God, not a the Mosaic law or the sacrificial system.
"Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?" Gal. 3:5-6
We are NOT justified by works of the law.
"yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Gal. 2:16
Again, read Hebrews and Galatians for yourselves. These are the books that were specifically written to Judiazers and Hebrew Roots movement, which started back right in 48 AD, and Paul rebuking the Galatians.
I just do not understand how you can think I make this stuff up based on my "opinion!" I base it solely on the Word of God.
And if you think I am wrong about it the Old Covenant being obsolete, then stop posting opinions, and post the verses, that say the Old Covenant is still in effect. Just post the verses, the book, chapter and verses, just as I have done above. I have coloured and bolded it so it will stand out. Because God's word should stand out more than anything else.
And I said,
None of those things in and of themselves equate to holiness or righteousness. Only God's atonement can do that. Doing those things means nothing unless they're done with a heart to honor God, especially if unbelievers do them.
Do you need the Spirit to show you not to do these things? Do you need God to? Yes we do, and since God wrote the law, that is one resource we have to know to not do those things. Not the only resource, but one of them.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
I don't think you're fully addressing Jesus' words here. He's telling His disciples that they need to follow the Law and teach others to do so. And if they decide not to follow the Law and they teach others they don't have to, they will be the least in the Kingdom.
Do you need the Spirit to show you not to do these things? Do you need God to? Yes we do, and since God wrote the law, that is one resource we have to know to not do those things. Not the only resource, but one of them.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
I don't think you're fully addressing Jesus' words here. He's telling His disciples that they need to follow the Law and teach others to do so. And if they decide not to follow the Law and they teach others they don't have to, they will be the least in the Kingdom.
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Your not getting my point.
Does God want me to spend every minute of every day focusing on those laws. Or focusing on who he wants me to bless, serve and love.
What good am I if my focus is on those commands?
No I don,t Because God wrote those things in my DNA, That is what Paul meant when he wrote romans 1. And when hs made it clear, that a gentile who does not have the law, BY NATURE does what is in them.
As I said a few days ago, If you do not know what is sin, and you need the HS to show you what sin is, You have more serious problems than the law can help you with.
No.
He said whoever teaches one not to do them.
Do yuo go around teaching the law? Did Jesus do this? I do not think so. He taught salvation. Not law. People know the law. It is written on their hearts. Did you even read romans 1. Romans 1 speaks of ALL people from the beginning of creation. Do you think Abraham needed the law to know what was sin and what was not sin, and how he should act to glorify God?
Does God want me to spend every minute of every day focusing on those laws. Or focusing on who he wants me to bless, serve and love.
What good am I if my focus is on those commands?
No I don,t Because God wrote those things in my DNA, That is what Paul meant when he wrote romans 1. And when hs made it clear, that a gentile who does not have the law, BY NATURE does what is in them.
As I said a few days ago, If you do not know what is sin, and you need the HS to show you what sin is, You have more serious problems than the law can help you with.
No.
He said whoever teaches one not to do them.
Do yuo go around teaching the law? Did Jesus do this? I do not think so. He taught salvation. Not law. People know the law. It is written on their hearts. Did you even read romans 1. Romans 1 speaks of ALL people from the beginning of creation. Do you think Abraham needed the law to know what was sin and what was not sin, and how he should act to glorify God?
Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."