AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 5:17-19

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Did Jesus fulfill the law or not?

How does the law act as a schoolmaster?

 

[Zinzerio]

Did you even read 1 John 1: 8 Did he lie?? John said if you say you can be sinless you have decieved yourself


I don't claim to be without sin i don't claim to be perfect so why you make me out to be like this i don't know but im greeting fed up with wasting my time with stupid remarks.



I would never claim I am or can be sinless. If I ever think that, I will be just as bad as the pharisees, and God will not be able to grow me anymore.

its OK i know what your trying to do your trying to justify your self by trying to make me look bad i don't expect anything in this place from people like you and your little mate there dcontraversial ive read enough of all your threads to make me realize that. anyway i have done my duty and it don't matter to me how long you harp on and how many times you try to assassinate me the lord is my Shepherd and like the lord say if you preach the law you must practice the law ,
you preach it all the time the lord helps you to stay away from sin and the lord keeps sin from your door, if you do sin and you repent the lord lifts your burden if you dont do it again.
thas all i have said all along you knoe this your just being akward with me to try and wind me up like you do so many others.

when when one of you gets the chance to be self glorified and wipe your feet on ever you see fit you do, its called innocent shedding of blood which makes me feel sick in my stomach.
thankyou for the wondeful fellowship

 

[chubbena]

no. Because I still have the flesh, And it wars with my spirit. And sometimes the flesh wins.

Do you love everyone in your life 100 % of every day?

and when you are loving them, would you break the law?

So does it make your interpretation of the law i.e. the law of love superior to the Law? Don't you need mercy and the blood of the Lamb like those you accused of?

 

[Angela53510]

it gets old posting the same stuff over and over, then still having them bear false witness against us..

Yes, and I know people who have left this forum because these people that post opinions which are not Biblical, over and over again.

I guess it is time to use the ignore button! When you have written the same verse out 10 times in 2 posts, and they still don't get it, but think that I am stating my opinions, it is time to stop. I also think that there are none so blind as those who will not see.

And you just can't fix stupidity!

So just give me a good swift kick and tell me to ignore these people who have somehow gotten their theology so screwed up, they have lost sight of the prophecies and predictions fulfilled totally by Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

its OK i know what your trying to do your trying to justify your self by trying to make me look bad

dude if this is the way your going to be, don't bother responding to anyone anymore, because anyone who disagrees with you would be doing it to make you look bad.

I am not trying to justify anything,

I ask you to read 1 john 8: 1 you do not even respond to it why?

news flash. I do not need to make ANYONE look bad to justify myself. I have faith in God. And everything he says about me. I do not need justification from any man. If I do. I have more problems than anyone can help

 

[Karraster]

its OK i know what your trying to do your trying to justify your self by trying to make me look bad i don't expect anything in this place from people like you and your little mate there dcontraversial ive read enough of all your threads to make me realize that. anyway i have done my duty and it don't matter to me how long you harp on and how many times you try to assassinate me the lord is my Shepherd and like the lord say if you preach the law you must practice the law ,
you preach it all the time the lord helps you to stay away from sin and the lord keeps sin from your door, if you do sin and you repent the lord lifts your burden if you dont do it again.
thas all i have said all along you knoe this your just being akward with me to try and wind me up like you do so many others.

when when one of you gets the chance to be self glorified and wipe your feet on ever you see fit you do, its called innocent shedding of blood which makes me feel sick in my stomach.
thankyou for the wondeful fellowship

I call em hounds. ignore those trying to come between you and your creator with their new age junk, stand firm.

 

[RedTent]

No.. Why do you continue to twist what I say. Did moses say it was a curse not to obey the whole bible?

THE LAW is the curse. Again paul said this. How many times do we have to post these verses before it sinks in to you people??

Gal 3
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them

Again, your argument is with God not me, ANd don;t twist my words to mean the whole bible. That is deceptive and bearing false witness



lol.. Again read what moses said. Second, the only thing written in stone was the ten commandments, Moses wrote the rest on whatever it was they wrote on in those days (most likely scrolls)

Again, Your argument is with God not me

If the definition of law is "curse" we had better stay away from it. Of course sin is an absence of God. Law defines what is of God. If we have no definition of what is of God, or law, then we have no sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So does it make your interpretation of the law i.e. the law of love superior to the Law? Don't you need mercy and the blood of the Lamb like those you accused of?

1. God said the law of love is superior to the law which is passing away. Not me, Your argument is with God

2. I have already been given mercy and the blood of the lamb who has removed the curse of the law from me.

If you have yet to have this, and are still hoping to find mercy and the blood to wash you. Then I am sorry, I can not help you. Only God can.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, and I know people who have left this forum because these people that post opinions which are not Biblical, over and over again.

I guess it is time to use the ignore button! When you have written the same verse out 10 times in 2 posts, and they still don't get it, but think that I am stating my opinions, it is time to stop. I also think that there are none so blind as those who will not see.

And you just can't fix stupidity!

So just give me a good swift kick and tell me to ignore these people who have somehow gotten their theology so screwed up, they have lost sight of the prophecies and predictions fulfilled totally by Jesus.

well I will not ignore anyone, just keep showing the truth, You showing them truth may show someone who does not show the truth, Ignoring them is not the godly way of doing things, especially in a christian bible discussion forum.

Keep up the good work. Keep exposing the lie. Your not alone!

 

[KohenMatt]

Your not getting my point.

Does God want me to spend every minute of every day focusing on those laws. Or focusing on who he wants me to bless, serve and love.

What good am I if my focus is on those commands?

I agree with you completely here. The focus should never be on the commands, but the one who gave them.

No I don,t Because God wrote those things in my DNA, That is what Paul meant when he wrote romans 1. And when hs made it clear, that a gentile who does not have the law, BY NATURE does what is in them.

As I said a few days ago, If you do not know what is sin, and you need the HS to show you what sin is, You have more serious problems than the law can help you with.

Why do we read the Bible then? Isn't is already in our DNA? Because it gives us daily encouragement, guidance, revelation when our flesh is getting the better of us. Same thing with the Law.

No.

He said whoever teaches one not to do them.

Well, you can try and navigate through the least in the Kingdom part, although Scripture translations may still disagree with you there. But regardless, the verse is pretty self-explanatory on who will be the greatest there.

KJV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

NIV
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

ESV
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

NLT
So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

ASV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do yuo go around teaching the law? Did Jesus do this? I do not think so. He taught salvation. Not law. People know the law. It is written on their hearts. Did you even read romans 1. Romans 1 speaks of ALL people from the beginning of creation. Do you think Abraham needed the law to know what was sin and what was not sin, and how he should act to glorify God?

I teach some law, but it's always in the bigger picture of salvation. Law without salvation means nothing. People might "know the law", but people don't always do it. We all need reminders and encouragement on how to love, how not to sin, how to act to glorify God.

That's one of the purposes of the Law.

(p.s. This is a fun dialogue, thanks for participating! Peace, Matt)

 

[KohenMatt]

so they would say something which contradicts paul??

Jesus said moses wrote the words which lead to him. What do you think Jesus meant?

Moses came before Paul.
God is greater than Paul.

Their words came before Paul's.
Paul comentates on God's word, not the other way around.

Moses' words DID point to Jesus. Just because Jesus' came, doesn't mean those words aren't applicable. They're just put into a greater understanding.

 

[Karraster]

So do you think you can be sinless following the law of love?

brother, I have been trying to make sense of what some say, that the law is abolished..(which is NOT what the Bible says) but anyway, it occurred to me it might be the belief that Nostradomas had, according to some documentary. He believed that indulging in sin gave him more grace and insight and new heights of enlightenment. Well of course we know they quote Paul a lot, but even Paul said "God forbid.) on that one. anyhow, there is sure a lot of different beliefs out there. I think I will stick with the Bible.

 

[KohenMatt]

Did Jesus fulfill the law or not?

How does the law act as a schoolmaster?

Yes He did.
The Law points to Jesus and shows us how to live like Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I call em hounds. ignore those trying to come between you and your creator with their new age junk, stand firm.

Yep.

Continue to find God with the law. Have fun!

Was it not you who was yelling at someone for being mean and attacking earlier? Why do you not practice what your preach. Otherwise you show what a hypocrite you really are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the definition of law is "curse" we had better stay away from it. Of course sin is an absence of God. Law defines what is of God. If we have no definition of what is of God, or law, then we have no sin.

exactly, and we have no schoolmaster. Because we can never know we can not keep the just requirement of the law.

ps. this is exactly what paul said also.

 

[chubbena]

1. God said the law of love is superior to the law which is passing away. Not me, Your argument is with God

2. I have already been given mercy and the blood of the lamb who has removed the curse of the law from me.

If you have yet to have this, and are still hoping to find mercy and the blood to wash you. Then I am sorry, I can not help you. Only God can.

That's your interpretation of the law and you are in danger of misusing His name if He didn't say that in the scripture.
The psalmist said the OT law, which you despised, is more than love, in fact, he said it's perfect.

 

[Karraster]

How can one profess to belong to the King when they will not obey Him? If He truly is your King, you want to obey Him, not be nippin on heels of the faithful followers of Messiah.

 

[Karraster]

exactly, and we have no schoolmaster. Because we can never know we can not keep the just requirement of the law.

ps. this is exactly what paul said also.

I did it myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy..........

 

[chubbena]

I call em hounds. ignore those trying to come between you and your creator with their new age junk, stand firm.

Wow you said it. Yes this is exactly what the new age teaches. Wow!

 

[Zinzerio]

If the definition of law is "curse" we had better stay away from it. Of course sin is an absence of God. Law defines what is of God. If we have no definition of what is of God, or law, then we have no sin.

sin is a transgression of the law.
if you dont even know what the law its one its of two things either you have the spirit guiding and keeping you from sinning, (you must know this you feel rejoicing when you have done good or you have recieved something that is the lord speaking to you.

if its you dont know the law then your likely to become a transgression of the law which is your likely to sin.