AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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No, Christ does in our stead. You ought to read Hebrews 7 about the change of Priesthood. What do you think happens everytime someone sins and goes to God for forgiveness? God doesn't just say "Well, alrighty then, abracadabra the sin disappeared." It took the blood of Christ to forgive that sin and we are under that blood. That blood is applied to our sin to pay the penalty (Rom 6:23) so that we don't have to. Each and every sin cost the life's blood of Christ. Do you just take this lightly? Just break the Law with alacrity? If you think it doesn't matter, you are in for a rude awakening.
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.....not for nothing........but I don't think it's me that needs to be reading........
KohneMatt's example of Scripture: Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now, IF JESUS does for us what "blood sacrifice was meant to do, but could not do"...............THEN AT LEAST ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS WAS ANNULLED WAS IT NOT? (wonder who did that?.........oh, oh, I KNOW, the ONE who FULFILLED THE LAW!)
KohneMatt's example of Scripture: Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now, IF JESUS does for us what "blood sacrifice was meant to do, but could not do"...............THEN AT LEAST ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS WAS ANNULLED WAS IT NOT? (wonder who did that?.........oh, oh, I KNOW, the ONE who FULFILLED THE LAW!)
E
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
K
Yeah, and it's still "Ground Hog Day". Uncircumcised ears just cannot hear. Why keep answering your question for you to ask it again every day of the world?
A rebellious heart says "What do I have to do, give me the minimal."
Why not serve the LORD with gladness? Why not be grateful? Faith and grace was always generously given by our Creator, that He was a Mean God in the Old Days, then Messiah came to abolish His Word and show us what real love is...Doesn't your theology claim the Trinity? It's the same God, hello.. same message.
A rebellious heart says "What do I have to do, give me the minimal."
Why not serve the LORD with gladness? Why not be grateful? Faith and grace was always generously given by our Creator, that He was a Mean God in the Old Days, then Messiah came to abolish His Word and show us what real love is...Doesn't your theology claim the Trinity? It's the same God, hello.. same message.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Some People Here are trying to say that if you follow Jesus you became a "Jew"
Others are saying that the Gentiles are people without God.
The being a Jew Or a Gentile is a racial issue. even if a gentile convert to Judaisim he still a gentile.
The Jew race have a Jew religion but do not mix them gentile for a jew mean not of the jew race.
In Jesus all humans are the same, but the jew did a convenant to keep the law of Moses the Gentiles Jumped directly to Grace.
Y you Good in the eyes of God you became part of the family of abraham.
Some People Here are trying to say that if you follow Jesus you became a "Jew"
Others are saying that the Gentiles are people without God.
The being a Jew Or a Gentile is a racial issue. even if a gentile convert to Judaisim he still a gentile.
The Jew race have a Jew religion but do not mix them gentile for a jew mean not of the jew race.
In Jesus all humans are the same, but the jew did a convenant to keep the law of Moses the Gentiles Jumped directly to Grace.
Y you Good in the eyes of God you became part of the family of abraham.
E
mean ole God. We must have different bibles. I see a God who showed love and mercy in the OT. How many years was israel rebellious and wanted nothing to do with him before he punished them? Or should I say, How many generations? Did he not send a Jew to ninevah, Who was so far from God he should have done a sodom and gemorah on them, yet he showed them love and mercy and saved them?
I don't know about you, But I see the same God in the Old and the new
I don't know about you, But I see the same God in the Old and the new
E
No. SOme people are saying if you are trying to follow the law you have become like a Jew
WHo is saying this. I must have missed it
True, but we are speaking spiritually here.
We have many jews in my church, They have nothing to do with judaism, Not all jews follow that religion
The jews were ALWAYS under grace, David assures us of this in the psalms. It is the one who thought they were saved by the law that missed out, they rejected grace, and tried works.
There is a saying down South......."don't pay no heed to folks who talk outta both sides of their mouths.........."
KohenMatt Quotes this Scripture:
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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KohneMatt responds to e…t…
So how many adulterers has your church stoned.
Can you imagine if we as a society decided to implement this standard and punishment? If it happened only once, I think you would see a SERIOUS decline in adultery.
Mind you, I'm saying we should. But it's an interesting thought.
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KohenMatt’s Comment
Who here is advocating keeping "ALL THE LAW literally" to the point of sacrifices and stoning?
(please read Matthew 5:19 KohenMatt quoted)
Personally though, I can find a spiritual application to every command in the Torah, and a physical one for a large amount of them.
And in regards to your request, what do you mean by "bound to obedience"? I think this is a crucial phrase to understand before it can be answered.
Peace,
Matt
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ZINZERIO’S Comment
Can you be more pacific and tell what people you are talking and what people do the murder ? and is ther a name for this group ?
ZINZIERO’s Comment
i have one thing to say and one thing only
1 John 2:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Test of Knowing Him
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
(excerpt from my comment)
Exodus 20:24) An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25 .) And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26 .) Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
Leviticus 20:7) Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God. 8 .) And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. 9 .) For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 .) And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 .) And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 .) And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13 .) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 .) And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 .) And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 24:15) And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
16 .) And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
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KohenMatt’s comment #164 this thread
rehbein,
For the record, I've never ONCE advocated doing every command physically. Obviously, I'm not advocating the killing or stoning of people, and I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you even brought up such a silly example.
My point is that every command of the law has a spiritual and/or physical application to it for Christians today.
But the fact still remains, Jesus told His followers to follow the Law.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Not for nothing, but you guys are doing no more than "tap dancing" through all of this.......
Given your refusal to be specific, honest, and definitive.............I am exiting this thread, and any future discussions you guys are a part of...........
KohenMatt Quotes this Scripture:
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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KohneMatt responds to e…t…
1. Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
Law law says if you commit adultery, You and the one you committed the sin with must be stoned.
So how many adulterers has your church stoned.
Can you imagine if we as a society decided to implement this standard and punishment? If it happened only once, I think you would see a SERIOUS decline in adultery.
Mind you, I'm saying we should. But it's an interesting thought.
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KohenMatt’s Comment
Who here is advocating keeping "ALL THE LAW literally" to the point of sacrifices and stoning?
(please read Matthew 5:19 KohenMatt quoted)
Personally though, I can find a spiritual application to every command in the Torah, and a physical one for a large amount of them.
And in regards to your request, what do you mean by "bound to obedience"? I think this is a crucial phrase to understand before it can be answered.
Peace,
Matt
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ZINZERIO’S Comment
1. Originally Posted by p_rehbein
I have only one question to ask: How many folks have you and your group killed according to the Law?
Can you be more pacific and tell what people you are talking and what people do the murder ? and is ther a name for this group ?
ZINZIERO’s Comment
i have one thing to say and one thing only
1 John 2:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Test of Knowing Him
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
(excerpt from my comment)
Exodus 20:24) An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25 .) And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26 .) Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
Leviticus 20:7) Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God. 8 .) And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. 9 .) For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 .) And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 .) And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 .) And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13 .) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 .) And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 .) And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 24:15) And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
16 .) And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
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KohenMatt’s comment #164 this thread
rehbein,
For the record, I've never ONCE advocated doing every command physically. Obviously, I'm not advocating the killing or stoning of people, and I'm slightly embarrassed for you that you even brought up such a silly example.
My point is that every command of the law has a spiritual and/or physical application to it for Christians today.
But the fact still remains, Jesus told His followers to follow the Law.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Not for nothing, but you guys are doing no more than "tap dancing" through all of this.......
Given your refusal to be specific, honest, and definitive.............I am exiting this thread, and any future discussions you guys are a part of...........
K
The Adversary has accomplished his heart's delight by instilling a theology in Christians that agree with him, God's rules have changed,no longer apply. Did God really say??..????...
he has changed times and seasons, so they don't know what time it is...because they reject God's Calendar, God's appointments, known as the Feasts. Feasts are appointments. This has been said over and over. The ones who are watching are learning all they can about all of God's Word, all of what the prophets say to us, and know that prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. To know that Messiah fulfilled the Spring Feast and He will return during the Fall Feast some year, doesn't that make anyone want to learn about the Feasts and the time and season Messiah will return?
Why were we chosen to live in such a time as this? It is not by accident that we came to this time, and we have a responsibility in this day of unlimited resources to learn about God, if we desire to learn. If you turn your back on all God has given us ...
[h=3]Proverbs 29:18[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Messiah is coming back! Are you going to be watching, or fall asleep?
[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5:2-4[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. [SUP]3 [/SUP]While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
what's going on here? Paul says the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Then Paul turns around and says to his listeners, "But you are not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief".
Yet most all my life all I hear from Christians is "He comes like a thief in the night, He could come at any time, we have no idea, not even Jesus knows." Now I know those were ignorant Christians!!
We don't know what year He will return, that is true, but we know what time and season, because it's all over the Bible!!! It's explained by the Feasts, the appointments. Yet any discussion about feasts and some Christians go ballistic shouting "Judazizier!! Lawyer! SDA, Jehovah Witness, cult! lier! "
Wake up people!! The Day of the Lord is not going to be a picnic! Educate yourselves! Stop building furiously with hay and stubble, for any talk against what God has put in place is a dangerous thing. Don't you know that God hears every utterance out of your mouths that His Law is dead??? He knows people, He knows!
he has changed times and seasons, so they don't know what time it is...because they reject God's Calendar, God's appointments, known as the Feasts. Feasts are appointments. This has been said over and over. The ones who are watching are learning all they can about all of God's Word, all of what the prophets say to us, and know that prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. To know that Messiah fulfilled the Spring Feast and He will return during the Fall Feast some year, doesn't that make anyone want to learn about the Feasts and the time and season Messiah will return?
Why were we chosen to live in such a time as this? It is not by accident that we came to this time, and we have a responsibility in this day of unlimited resources to learn about God, if we desire to learn. If you turn your back on all God has given us ...
[h=3]Proverbs 29:18[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Messiah is coming back! Are you going to be watching, or fall asleep?
[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5:2-4[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. [SUP]3 [/SUP]While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
what's going on here? Paul says the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Then Paul turns around and says to his listeners, "But you are not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief".
Yet most all my life all I hear from Christians is "He comes like a thief in the night, He could come at any time, we have no idea, not even Jesus knows." Now I know those were ignorant Christians!!
We don't know what year He will return, that is true, but we know what time and season, because it's all over the Bible!!! It's explained by the Feasts, the appointments. Yet any discussion about feasts and some Christians go ballistic shouting "Judazizier!! Lawyer! SDA, Jehovah Witness, cult! lier! "
Wake up people!! The Day of the Lord is not going to be a picnic! Educate yourselves! Stop building furiously with hay and stubble, for any talk against what God has put in place is a dangerous thing. Don't you know that God hears every utterance out of your mouths that His Law is dead??? He knows people, He knows!
E
so again..
Who is the last person you stoned for adultry?
Who is the last priest you had sacrifice for your sin?
When was the last time you tithed to the levites?
When was the last time you banished an unclean person out in a place where no human contact will be even accidentally initiated with this unclean person?
If your going to follow his commands, You better follow them all.
Who is the last person you stoned for adultry?
Who is the last priest you had sacrifice for your sin?
When was the last time you tithed to the levites?
When was the last time you banished an unclean person out in a place where no human contact will be even accidentally initiated with this unclean person?
If your going to follow his commands, You better follow them all.
K
PR I find it curious that you have this in your siggie:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
And then proceed to labor all day telling men to .....do nothing! relax fellows, we are no longer guided by law! there is nothing for you to do.
unbelievable..that is an oxymoron if ever there was one.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
And then proceed to labor all day telling men to .....do nothing! relax fellows, we are no longer guided by law! there is nothing for you to do.
unbelievable..that is an oxymoron if ever there was one.