AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[chubbena]

HOW can reporting that scripture says much scripture is obsolete, without saying what is obsolete, saying that all Moses was told was completely replaced, that learning about God in the OT is wrong and sneering at it, of not speaking of scripture but tearing other people personally down be godly!!!!! Then posts like this one saying how you know everything right and others are all wrong. It is not searching for truth at all, it is searching for self gratification.

Actually Karraster's post dawned on me that such teachings are indeed New Age - that God is love and love is all you needed and has replaced every law in the OT. That's preaching another Christ because
a. Peter quoted Moses in Acts 3
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.
b. And Moses said "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
c. And Yeshua said "I come not to destroy the law."
d. And Paul said "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
Had Yeshua and Paul not claim that up front and center, they would be considered preaching another god because the ancestors of the Jewish people knew Yahweh by His Name i.e. His Law.
But here some choose to believe and preach a prophet unlike Moses.
Go figure.

 

[Karraster]

Wake up people! New Testament btw.
[h=3]1 Peter 5:8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be sober, be vigilant; because[SUP][a][/SUP] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

 

[ivanc0]

No. SOme people are saying if you are trying to follow the law you have become like a Jew


WHo is saying this. I must have missed it



True, but we are speaking spiritually here.



We have many jews in my church, They have nothing to do with judaism, Not all jews follow that religion



The jews were ALWAYS under grace, David assures us of this in the psalms. It is the one who thought they were saved by the law that missed out, they rejected grace, and tried works.

Here are the quotes:

Originally Posted by KohenMatt

I'm not Jewish. I'm not a gentile either (That implies someone without God at all).

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

All who believe the Most High God are perfectly rightful to be called Jews,

Yes I agree with you a Jew could decide to take any religion, this is why I said Jew is a race. they also have a jew religion, but any one could be or not of that religion.

Now were I do not agree is that the Jews were ALWAYS IN GRACE, always means always...
so if they are in a state of grace, How is that they killed the son Of God.....who at the end is God himself?

so your always mean sometimes. maybe ... maybe not?

 

[p_rehbein]

PR I find it curious that you have this in your siggie:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)



And then proceed to labor all day telling men to .....do nothing! relax fellows, we are no longer guided by law! there is nothing for you to do.


unbelievable..that is an oxymoron if ever there was one.

..........what I find interesting is that every time you post a comment, you intentionally twist the words, beliefs of those you disagree with...........and, it is for THIS REASON that particular quote is part of my "signature."

.......and, I'm STILL WAITING for you to SHOW ME that definitive list of the LAWS we the Church are to be in obedience to today............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually Karraster's post dawned on me that such teachings are indeed New Age - that God is love and love is all you needed and has replaced every law in the OT. That's preaching another Christ because
a. Peter quoted Moses in Acts 3
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.
b. And Moses said "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
c. And Yeshua said "I come not to destroy the law."
d. And Paul said "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
Had Yeshua and Paul not claim that up front and center, they would be considered preaching another god because the ancestors of the Jewish people knew Yahweh by His Name i.e. His Law.
But here some choose to believe and preach a prophet unlike Moses.
Go figure.

yet more lies, is that all you people know how to do?

The law (Christ) SHowed us who he is, What he would do, and how he would save us.

If it were not for the law, we would never have realized our need for him, Realized who he was and what he would do on our behalf. And we would have never searched out his salvation. to get to a point where we could recieve him in faith. The schoomaster would never have done its job.

Funny how you people think the schoomaster must ocntinue after it has been fulfilled. And you need a tutur, When paul makes it clear. When the tutor has done its job (led us to Christ) we ar eno longer under a tutor.

before you start slamming others, And bearing false witness against them, I think you better find out why the tutor has not yet done its job in your life, so that you continue to need this tutor. Are you going to find Christ, Or still bve stuck under the tutor?

 

[p_rehbein]

Karraster..............you have proven yourself to be as insincere as the other three here.........

AND SO.......my "Ignore" list grows.........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wake up people! New Testament btw.
1 Peter 5:8

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be sober, be vigilant; because[SUP][a][/SUP] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

seems like he has you hook line and sinker.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here are the quotes:

Originally Posted by KohenMatt

I'm not Jewish. I'm not a gentile either (That implies someone without God at all).

No, He is saying spiritually he is niether jew or gentile. He is saying he is a forigner in a strange land, He is saying his home is heaven, And until he gets home, he will be a stranger.

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

All who believe the Most High God are perfectly rightful to be called Jews,

well I would disagree with this. We are sons of abraham, Not jews.

Yes I agree with you a Jew could decide to take any religion, this is why I said Jew is a race. they also have a jew religion, but any one could be or not of that religion.

Again separate the spiritual from the physical. and you will see

Now were I do not agree is that the Jews were ALWAYS IN GRACE, always means always...
so if they are in a state of grace, How is that they killed the son Of God.....who at the end is God himself?

What did Jesus say, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do. That is perfect love and grace.

By grace I means the means to eternal life by the way.

so your always mean sometimes. maybe ... maybe not?

always means always.

 

[john832]

Now, that cup is filled - filled full - set it to the side for it has fulfilled it's purpose.

Ah, so the Law that says "thou shalt not commit adultery" has been set aside? How about...

Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Set aside?

Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Yep served it's purpose, we don't need it anymore, set it aside?

 

[john832]

Still waiting for you to supply that detailed list of the "Law"....................still waiting........(did Jesus NOT nail them to the Cross? Are we not cleansed by HIS BLOOD?)

Still waiting on that detailed list............

I did once, but it was not what you wanted to hear. Let's hear your side, what should the church do these days? Whatever it pleases?

 

[Karraster]

Actually Karraster's post dawned on me that such teachings are indeed New Age - that God is love and love is all you needed and has replaced every law in the OT. That's preaching another Christ because
a. Peter quoted Moses in Acts 3
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.
b. And Moses said "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
c. And Yeshua said "I come not to destroy the law."
d. And Paul said "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
Had Yeshua and Paul not claim that up front and center, they would be considered preaching another god because the ancestors of the Jewish people knew Yahweh by His Name i.e. His Law.
But here some choose to believe and preach a prophet unlike Moses.
Go figure.

Brother like was not good enough!!! Thank you! Thank you! We are supposed to be a light. Modern Christianity, (while it does go back a long way) teaches things contrary to what Messiah taught. In doing so, they misrepresent Christ, and in His stead a false Messiah. Jesus was not a false Messiah, but many wrongly represent Him to be. Jews know their Torah! They know that Jesus could not be the promised One according to what the Christians say about Him. Because so many Christians preach grace and go on doing as you please. That is contrary to all that was written of Him.

Christians have not shared the true Gospel with our Jewish brothers and sisters in a mighty way so far. The good news is, that so many are waking up! We know we have inherited lies. We have such a responsibility! God placed us in this time. I believe we are the terminal generation, and we must be the ones to see it to the end.

I didn't even know man was appointed 6000 years until a short time ago. Do we know what time it is? Man, it has to be getting close!!

 

[chubbena]

Where does the bible say that?

For the benefit of those who has the ear.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people.)
Revelation 19:8

 

[chubbena]

karraster you keep digging in the old testament. It ain't gonna save you.

But it's gonna show who tells the truth and who preaches a false gospel.
c.f. Acts 17:11

 

[john832]

so again..

Who is the last person you stoned for adultry?

Who is the last priest you had sacrifice for your sin?

When was the last time you tithed to the levites?

When was the last time you banished an unclean person out in a place where no human contact will be even accidentally initiated with this unclean person?

If your going to follow his commands, You better follow them all.

Complete ignorance of the subject. Israelites did not stone each other. The matter was taken to the Priests (which were the duly constituted authority at the time) and the person was examined. There had to be proof of an infraction, at least two eyewitnesses. By the way, that principle is carried over into American jurisprudence today, we don't convict capital offenders by hearsay or circumstantial evidence. Once the evidence was presented, the Priests determined the matter, if it was too hard for them they went the next step...

Deu 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

If Moses couldn't decide it went to the final authority, God Himself.

Then if a person were guilty of a capital crime, that person was executed.

Hmmm, we still do that today, but you don't seem to have a problem with it if it is unconverted men doing it in a carnal courtroom. The problem seems to be if we do it God's way.

That might actually reveal something.

 

[Karraster]

..........what I find interesting is that every time you post a comment, you intentionally twist the words, beliefs of those you disagree with...........and, it is for THIS REASON that particular quote is part of my "signature."

.......and, I'm STILL WAITING for you to SHOW ME that definitive list of the LAWS we the Church are to be in obedience to today............

I have, then you proceeded to tear my statement apart. I'll try to say it another way. But this may be the last time I respond to you, what's the point, you are not listening.

Honestly seek God. Quit looking for excuses not to honor the Creator who made us. Quit looking for loopholes and a way out. Seek Him while He may be found. Obey all the commandments you can, Messiah in you will help you do this. Don't live your life trying to reinvent the wheel, as man can never invent another set of instructions to match the Master.

and you will find amazing Grace! You will find, that the more you obey, the more grace He freely gives you to resist the devil and stand upright like a man.

 

[chubbena]

Brother like was not good enough!!! Thank you! Thank you! We are supposed to be a light. Modern Christianity, (while it does go back a long way) teaches things contrary to what Messiah taught. In doing so, they misrepresent Christ, and in His stead a false Messiah. Jesus was not a false Messiah, but many wrongly represent Him to be. Jews know their Torah! They know that Jesus could not be the promised One according to what the Christians say about Him. Because so many Christians preach grace and go on doing as you please. That is contrary to all that was written of Him.

Christians have not shared the true Gospel with our Jewish brothers and sisters in a mighty way so far. The good news is, that so many are waking up! We know we have inherited lies. We have such a responsibility! God placed us in this time. I believe we are the terminal generation, and we must be the ones to see it to the end.

I didn't even know man was appointed 6000 years until a short time ago. Do we know what time it is? Man, it has to be getting close!!

It's a tug of war. The reformation continues. The great Babylon is offering even a sweeter deal, previously was indulgence, now indulge in superficial love.

 

[Karraster]

Karraster..............you have proven yourself to be as insincere as the other three here.........

AND SO.......my "Ignore" list grows.........

thank you. now i am free to do the same.

 

[KohenMatt]

yes they were

1. I have sinned. The law proves it
3. If I have not obeyed every words of the law I am cursed of God
4. The penalty of this is death
5. Anyone deserving of death is to be hung on a tree.
6. The sacrifices show me that without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness.

I can go on and on, But i hope you see the point

I agree with everything you said here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But it's gonna show who tells the truth and who preaches a false gospel.
c.f. Acts 17:11

yeah it is. And it has. And it also shows by the way people are acting..

 

[KohenMatt]

there is MUCH more to the christian life than these things.

Absolutely. For the sake of brevity and example, I only listed a few.