AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[JaumeJ]

My post above and pasted here was in response to the post of Vaudeville. God bless you Vaudeville, and thank you for the question...............

which jews? the believers? or the Christ haters? why above all?

1 Thessalonians 2
15 Who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and harassed and drove us out, and continue to make themselves hateful and offensive to God and to show themselves foes of all men

Why does it matter to any believing people of the faith of Abraham? Are we not taught to love our enemies? Don't start playing with words. Love all people, the Jews above all for they are the original vine..............This is taught by the Word, and I do not dispute this.

Do not get me wrong. There are individuals of all humanity that make me very angry, but I do not sin because of it. I pray for them, and all others. As it stands, and I pray it remains this way, all who believe in this manner have not chosen any individuals to damn in their minds and hearts. Please do not teach others to do this by "not loving" certain Jews.

 

[ivanc0]

Yes if you do not feel conviction for sinning you are not a child of God you are a child of Satan. (conviction comes from the heart it stops you from sinning REPENT AND BE SAVED LET THE LORD BE A LAMP TO YOUR FEET and a shield to your heart.
John 14:15

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

May you live long and prosperous and brave and unrighteous may your heart be full of joy and may you love your brother like your neighbor.

With the risk to giving you another tamtrum, or nervous break down! I need to ask you this!

If you were living in year 40 after Christ, and converted to the christian church, and being a jew and a farmer, to whom you will give your tithe, to Peter or the Temple of Jerusalem.?

And how I am a sinner for asking this?

 

[JaumeJ]

Tithes are paid to the Levitical priesthood, never to an individual. An individual may be in charge of collecting them, but as itstands today, tithes as taught in the Old Testament have little to do with the free-will offerings in today's assemblies in Jesus Christ.

Tithe means the tenth part or 10%. Some tithing was 10% of 10% of profits. That means profits, not the principle.

Thus Peter may have received offerings but tithing, not possible according to the system.

 

[Zinzerio]

I still believe the Jews are God's people, but so are the gentiles from all nations and all tongues who turn to Jesus for salvation. The Jews are under a heavy burden for rejecting and murdering the One sent to save them. They have been scattered abroad, hated and persecuted where ever they go. God is no respecter of persons, yet some here feel the Jews are better and special. God told the Jews to treat the gentiles living among them as equals, but often the show bitter hatred for them today. I heard a Jew in the Holy land say "we killed Jesus and we are proud of that". A Catholic friend of mine blessed himself before a meal and a older Jew instantly stated yelling at him and then spit right in his face for wearing a cross.
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Sorry to have to tell you but Jesus knew he was going to the cross,, and if Jesus wanted to he could of made plans to not,,
he could of left through some secret road and escaped but he did not, he suffered for us for everyone including the unbelievers. (this includes Jews Muslims Americans united kingdoms, etc.

The biggest problem in the world is not the Jews the biggest problem is hatred from people which can be found in anybody.
Jesus even says i will ask the farther and he will send you a helper, The Jews ask the farther too. The only problem is for you is Jews or many Jews don't believe he was son of God or that he was God, what concern of that is yours, if it was a concern of someone who has a kind heart he would go and preach the kind he would not go and hate and mock them like you are.

And in my country everyone who i speak to have been shocked when i tell them Jesus was God.
Because they believe he was the son of God (ONLY) and this is more widespread belief than the Jews.
what i mean there are more people in the word than Jews and there are many more unbelieving people in the world than there is Jews That is why it is said Nor Jew nor gentile.
In other words think twice before you send someone to a pit.

Jews no longer does animal sacrifice either When the Temple was destroyed, no more animal sacrifices. The last temple was destroyed in 70C.E.

Jews continue to do as they have always done - when they wrong someone, they make amends and ask forgiveness and strive to improve themselves, their lives and the world.

This is also the way of most of the world except some believe that Jesus was God but most believe he was the son of God, but the one thing they all do is they all ask for forgiveness from God.

Even me when i ask for forgiveness i say God forgive me and i bet you do to And everyone else here.

the Jews still read his word so they have his word in him SO whether they believe he was God or not which if you remember i started a thread last year if one does not believe Jesus is God are they saved,, and the answer is we can not send anyone into the pit only God can.

But you can help pull people into your own pit so think on please for the sake of your brothers and sister in christ. God bless you go and go in peace.

 

[Zinzerio]

The ignorant and foolish never learn from history, not seeing the writing on the wall. In America murder is legal by way of the womb, and with implementation of the new health care, not only are they reaching for more lenient ways of aborting a life, but senior citizen mandatory euthanasia is implied. The sanctity of life is not a luxury for an elite few, but for all men. The masses are "conditioned" methodically to embrace murder, some by way of their mere silence. When difficult times come, and they will, the Holocaust will be repeated, along with Christians who keep the commandments of God with faith in Yeshua, and like recent history the silent and still majority will allow it to happen, thinking it won't affect them.

The Jews have always been hated by the world, and endeavors to exterminate them, or at the least make them a scape goat is an agenda of the devil, and the devil has many supporters, even within the Church walls. Martin Luther penned the words "burn down their synagogs", and he is just one of many church fathers who persecuted Jews. All through history the Jews are persecuted and treated with scorn. Antisemitism, or stand with the Jewish people? That is a question all be faced with one day.

Zechariah12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

yep people look to the problems of the world and they don't look on the own door step, because there to ignorant to fix things so in there own stupidity they blame everybody else instead of taking the log out of there own eye.

they attack everyone and any they mock they hate they condemn, basically they think there God, and they they claim they are the Body of Christ so they have the authority to do it this is not christian but sadly it is a big part of Christianity.

 

[Zinzerio]

Sorry to have to tell you but Jesus knew he was going to the cross,, and if Jesus wanted to he could of made plans to not,,
he could of left through some secret road and escaped but he did not, he suffered for us for everyone including the unbelievers. (this includes Jews Muslims Americans united kingdoms, etc.

The biggest problem in the world is not the Jews the biggest problem is hatred from people which can be found in anybody.
Jesus even says i will ask the farther and he will send you a helper, The Jews ask the farther too. The only problem is for you is Jews or many Jews don't believe he was son of God or that he was God, what concern of that is yours, if it was a concern of someone who has a kind heart he would go and preach the kind he would not go and hate and mock them like you are.

And in my country everyone who i speak to have been shocked when i tell them Jesus was God.
Because they believe he was the son of God (ONLY) and this is more widespread belief than the Jews.
what i mean there are more people in the word than Jews and there are many more unbelieving people in the world than there is Jews That is why it is said Nor Jew nor gentile.
In other words think twice before you send someone to a pit.

Jews no longer does animal sacrifice either When the Temple was destroyed, no more animal sacrifices. The last temple was destroyed in 70C.E.

Jews continue to do as they have always done - when they wrong someone, they make amends and ask forgiveness and strive to improve themselves, their lives and the world.

This is also the way of most of the world except some believe that Jesus was God but most believe he was the son of God, but the one thing they all do is they all ask for forgiveness from God.

Even me when i ask for forgiveness i say God forgive me and i bet you do to And everyone else here.

the Jews still read his word so they have his word in him SO whether they believe he was God or not which if you remember i started a thread last year if one does not believe Jesus is God are they saved,, and the answer is we can not send anyone into the pit only God can.

But you can help pull people into your own pit so think on please for the sake of your brothers and sister in christ. God bless you go and go in peace.

And i just want to re quote this when i say only God can put those people in to pit what i should of added is Satan can to because i believe that God will send is helpers, but what can he do for someone who is totaly hell bent ? And satan comes in the form of many he exists in the hatred of hating heart, which is why i say your mocking can help other people to fall in to the same pit you might fall into

 

[Vaudeville]

The ignorant and foolish never learn from history, not seeing the writing on the wall. In America murder is legal by way of the womb, and with implementation of the new health care, not only are they reaching for more lenient ways of aborting a life, but senior citizen mandatory euthanasia is implied. The sanctity of life is not a luxury for an elite few, but for all men. The masses are "conditioned" methodically to embrace murder, some by way of their mere silence. When difficult times come, and they will, the Holocaust will be repeated, along with Christians who keep the commandments of God with faith in Yeshua, and like recent history the silent and still majority will allow it to happen, thinking it won't affect them.

The Jews have always been hated by the world, and endeavors to exterminate them, or at the least make them a scape goat is an agenda of the devil, and the devil has many supporters, even within the Church walls. Martin Luther penned the words "burn down their synagogs", and he is just one of many church fathers who persecuted Jews. All through history the Jews are persecuted and treated with scorn. Antisemitism, or stand with the Jewish people? That is a question all be faced with one day.

Zechariah12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

the ignorant and foolish don't understand zechariah.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the ignorant and foolish don't understand zechariah.

I think it is quite funny actually.

She says the ignorant and foolish does nt learn from history. Yet she is making the same mistake as the jews did and have been doing for thousands of years.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Messiah died for my sins. How about you?

he died for their sins too.

Now, Why do you want to mock him by taking the thing he gave you with was only supposed to LEAD YOU TO HIM, and return back to it, placing yourself under bondage again? and want to force everyone else to go back under bondage and fear?

 

[Zinzerio]

1432. Sabbath, Change of, as a Gradual Process
Source: Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, pp. 15, 22–25. Copyright 1943 by the Catholic University of America Press, Washington. Used by permission of the author.
[p. 15] A history of the problem shows that in some places, it was really only after some centuries that the Sabbath rest really was entirely abolished(by man not God), and by that time the practice of observing a bodily rest on the Sunday had taken its place…
[p. 22] The question now arises: Did the transfer of the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day of the week by the early Christians carry with it the obligation of rest which had characterized the Jewish Sabbath? That question is difficult to answer. All are fairly well agreed that there was no such thing as an immediate transfer of the obligation of rest. This is partly evident from the fact that there were some who regarded the practice of resting from prohibited works on a festival as characteristically Jewish, and therefore something inappropriate for the Christians. Even the Jewish converts themselves did not think of uniting rest with the Sunday. It was the seventh day of the week which typified the rest of God after creation and not the first day. The former day was to be retained as the day of rest even though the Christian worship was held on the night between Saturday and Sunday. “The idea of importing [p. 23] into the Sunday the solemnity of the Sabbath with all its exigencies was an entirely foreign one to the early Christians. This was especially true in regard to the prohibition of work.” 49 [Note 49: Duchesne, Christian Worship,…p. 47.] It was not easy at that early period, nor later as history shows, for the Jewish converts to give up completely the historical Sabbath rest. If a distinction can be made between the converts from paganism and those from Judaism, it can be said that it was probably the pagan converts who first joined a rest from labor with the Sunday.
One writer mentions that this transfer of the day of rest from the seventh to the first day of the week, although it took place gradually, was well nigh complete by the end of the first century. An almost complete absence of evidence makes this statement difficult to prove… As has already been mentioned, if the early Judaeo-Christians kept any day of rest, it was probably the Sabbath, the memorial of crea- [p. 24] tion…
[p. 25] But when it is said that there was no transfer of the obligation of abstaining from prohibited works on the Sabbath to the Sunday, and that no mention of such an obligation can be found in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, one must not conclude that there was actually no abstention whatsoever from work on Sunday even in the beginning.

this my sabbath look
[h=3]Isaiah 58:13-14[/h]New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honourable,
and if you honour it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.’
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

what is your sabbath please

 

[Grandpa]

this my sabbath look
Isaiah 58:13-14

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honourable,
and if you honour it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.’
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

what is your sabbath please

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[Zinzerio]

God's Word is Living and Active
12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

 

[JaumeJ]

A notable contribution from my own morning's Hebrew reading. In Matthew, Jesus revealed to His disciples that He was to be put into the hands of sinners. That is mankind. All who have sinned are responsible for the death of our beloved Savior, you and I.

The prophecy concerning how it was to have been says it would be at the hands of HIs own people, His own tribe (Judah) I believe.

No matter, what, anyone who claims to believe Yeshua, Jesus, knows that all men are sinners and He had to die as He did in order for all mankind to be in a position to be saved, along with the Jews who believe.

Unless people here are God, they are not, they have no way of knowing who is saved and who is not. Yahweh says He will justify the ungodly, yet many individuals come to the brink of judging all Jews to eteranl damnation, and this should not be so. Anyone who knows the mystery of what is specifically going to be dealt to the Jews, the beloved Jews, today, knows the mind of Yahweh, and no man knows this, so keep judgmental declarations to yourselves in this regard, for they are not of Yeshua, Jesus.

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrews 7:12-28
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


He is able to save them to the uttermost who come to God by Him.

Do we stick with our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ; or

Do we return to the weak and beggarly elements by which nothing is made perfect?

You either trust in the Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, what He has done and does in us, or you don't and go back to the shadow to establish your own work and "extra" holiness, your righteousness before God.

Is His Provision not enough?
Is His Salvation not enough?
Is His Blessing not enough?
Is the fruit He produces in our lives not enough?


Oh yeah. You are pretending to want to be "obedient". Which of the Fruit of the Spirit will cause your disobedience???????

 

[Zinzerio]

A notable contribution from my own morning's Hebrew reading. In Matthew, Jesus revealed to His disciples that He was to be put into the hands of sinners. That is mankind. All who have sinned are responsible for the death of our beloved Savior, you and I.

The prophecy concerning how it was to have been says it would be at the hands of HIs own people, His own tribe (Judah) I believe.

No matter, what, anyone who claims to believe Yeshua, Jesus, knows that all men are sinners and He had to die as He did in order for all mankind to be in a position to be saved, along with the Jews who believe.

Unless people here are God, they are not, they have no way of knowing who is saved and who is not. Yahweh says He will justify the ungodly, yet many individuals come to the brink of judging all Jews to eteranl damnation, and this should not be so. Anyone who knows the mystery of what is specifically going to be dealt to the Jews, the beloved Jews, today, knows the mind of Yahweh, and no man knows this, so keep judgmental declarations to yourselves in this regard, for they are not of Yeshua, Jesus.

This is very true and what we all must do is teach in kindness and not teach to gain favor, which is why we see so many people mocking other people, its called siding with the enemy to gain friends.

Like i give an example my friend down the road knows that i don't like one of neighbors, should he not like that neighbor to ?

should i tell him not to like that neighbor ?

ABSOLUTELY NOT TO BOTH.

that person has only offended me and it is between me and him only

 

[Zinzerio]

Hebrews 7:12-28
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


He is able to save them to the uttermost who come to God by Him.

Do we stick with our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ; or

Do we return to the weak and beggarly elements by which nothing is made perfect?

You either trust in the Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, what He has done and does in us, or you don't and go back to the shadow to establish your own work and "extra" holiness, your righteousness before God.

Is His Provision not enough?
Is His Salvation not enough?
Is His Blessing not enough?
Is the fruit He produces in our lives not enough?


Oh yeah. You are pretending to want to be "obedient". Which of the Fruit of the Spirit will cause your disobedience???????

I thought you just said your burden is light this looks like this statement looks like you are claiming you are holier than thou

 

[Grandpa]

I thought you just said your burden is light this looks like this statement looks like you are claiming you are holier than thou

If you see a boast in there it is in Christ and Christ alone.

 

[Zinzerio]

If you see a boast in there it is in Christ and Christ alone.

Its just i don't know how you go from one lovely quote like the one you quote in 911 and then your quote next in 914

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought you just said your burden is light this looks like this statement looks like you are claiming you are holier than thou

How do you get that out of what he posted?

I see nothing of the sort..

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua, the only High Priest, teaches all to obey the commandments. If someone dimishes the least of these, he will be dimished in the Kingdom.