Amillennialism

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eternally-gratefull

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You assert that ALL JEWS WILL REPENT. Its not an IF with you, you say they WILL coz you misapply scripture in your erroneous dispology.

That means you and Hagee are birds of a feather. You both repeat the mantra that all Israel (no knowing who Israel is) will be saved and therefore rip the Gospel away from the Jews and give them a hyper-calvinistic type mega ASSURANCE of salvation by way of "jewish" prophecy.
Dude STOP TELLING ME WHAT I BELIEVE! DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD??
PAUL SAYS ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED. I TAKE PAUL AT HIS WORD! THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME AGREE WITH HAGGIE. GET OFF YOUR STINKING HIGH HORSE AND COME BACK TO REALITY!


It is FALSE and you are a FALSE TEACHER. Everyone knows it...we've been trying to tell you but your ears are stuffed with cotton wool.
You don't even know what I believe, and you just proved it again above. You can't call a person a false teacher until you KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF LISTENING. YOUR TAKING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHURCHED I BELIEVE AS GOSPEL TRUTH!

Your making less and less sense. how about 'jews' that HAVE HEARD THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVED?? Where do they stand in your wacky theology?
The same place I stand. And I can only assume, you stand (I am beginning to wonder though) A child of God who has eternal life based on Christ's death. What does that have to do with the future repentance of ALL ISRAEL??

Is it even worth jews converting to Christianity NOW when you lump all 'jews' in this 'still in rejection' group?
Well Gollie Gee, Let me see. Daniel was a believer. A man of God. Used by God in a mighty powerful way. Yet HE STUCK HIMSELF WITH THE UNBELIEVING< REJECTING GROUP. Should I not follow his example. or reject his example because it does not fit my belief??

I guess when 'jews' are FORCED to go to Israel that'll be prophecy fulfilled for you? What garbage. You are WAITING FOR EARTHLY THINGS to happen when you should have your eyes on the KINGDOM OF GOD which is not of this world. You dont preach the Kingdom come and the good news you preach CARNAL LUSTS. Your using a PERVERSION of the Gospel.
Forced. Who said forced? There you go again adding to my words. I never used the word DRAG

Your error ridden twaddle sickens me to the bone.
As does yours. not to mention your refusal to even listen to what anyone says, because your to pridefull to admit you could be wrong.

You are a vessel to turn salvation from the jews. You should be ashamed of yourself. Do you hate the jews so much that even after being shown your gross error you still rip away the Gospel from that unfortunate group?

WHAT? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS CRAP?? i HAVE MANY JEWSIH FRIENDS WHO ARE SAVED. I TURN THEM AWAY. And you wonder why they heck people get so mad at you. you twist everything someone says!


I'm so glad I didnt run into the likes of you or Hagee when I was in that group. I prolly woulda forgot about Jesus and stuck with MY FLESH!

Strawman. I do not believe as Hagy does. Your ocntinued refusal to admit this will never make it so.


Your a Christion Zionist. I know who you are. Except your a really bad and confused one, coz you keep holding off on idolysing the 'jews'. your getting close though. Nearly there.
Show me where I idolize jews. I HAVE SAID THEY ARE MY ENEMY CONCERNING THE GOSPEL. HOW THE HECK DO YOU IDOLIZE AN ENEMY??
It's true I've never been in a church building. So no I'm certainly not churhed. My theology comes straight from scripture and casual fellowship. No MOB PRESSURE like you have been indoctrinated with.

funny thing is. Your more churched than most people who go to churhc. you prove it every time you open your mouth.


And dont try the absurd accusation that not going to a church building is a sin. When you meet together with Christians it is called FELLOWSHIP....the CHURCH is the invisible Body of Christ.
Thats funny I said this very thing. Again your refusal to read sickens me

But you'd like me to join a big megachurch like yours wouldn't you...so I can be brainwashed with unsound dispology and stop being so pesky fighting your erroneous doctrine.

No. I would just like to to LISTEN to what people say and find out what they believe and stop assuming you know. Churched people assume and never find out. because they listen to what they have been taught. not what is being said.


Sorry gratefull (sic).....we are safe in the wilderness. You stay in the WORLD if you feel safe there. But it doesnt make you right on your doctrine. Not even close.

Well. Your false accusations do not make you correct either!
 
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Dude STOP TELLING ME WHAT I BELIEVE! DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD??
PAUL SAYS ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED. I TAKE PAUL AT HIS WORD! THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME AGREE WITH HAGGIE. GET OFF YOUR STINKING HIGH HORSE AND COME BACK TO REALITY!

You don't even know what I believe, and you just proved it again above. You can't call a person a false teacher until you KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF LISTENING. YOUR TAKING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHURCHED I BELIEVE AS GOSPEL TRUTH!

The same place I stand. And I can only assume, you stand (I am beginning to wonder though) A child of God who has eternal life based on Christ's death. What does that have to do with the future repentance of ALL ISRAEL??

Well Gollie Gee, Let me see. Daniel was a believer. A man of God. Used by God in a mighty powerful way. Yet HE STUCK HIMSELF WITH THE UNBELIEVING< REJECTING GROUP. Should I not follow his example. or reject his example because it does not fit my belief??

Forced. Who said forced? There you go again adding to my words. I never used the word DRAG

As does yours. not to mention your refusal to even listen to what anyone says, because your to pridefull to admit you could be wrong.


WHAT? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS CRAP?? i HAVE MANY JEWSIH FRIENDS WHO ARE SAVED. I TURN THEM AWAY. And you wonder why they heck people get so mad at you. you twist everything someone says!


Strawman. I do not believe as Hagy does. Your ocntinued refusal to admit this will never make it so.

Show me where I idolize jews. I HAVE SAID THEY ARE MY ENEMY CONCERNING THE GOSPEL. HOW THE HECK DO YOU IDOLIZE AN ENEMY??

funny thing is. Your more churched than most people who go to churhc. you prove it every time you open your mouth.

Thats funny I said this very thing. Again your refusal to read sickens me


No. I would just like to to LISTEN to what people say and find out what they believe and stop assuming you know. Churched people assume and never find out. because they listen to what they have been taught. not what is being said.


Well. Your false accusations do not make you correct either!
Let them tell you what they think you believe. When you don't respond to it, it takes away any authority and validity they give it or seems to have and falls to the ground and back to the earth from which it came. It's just 'earthy' wisdom from below and has no life or power to bring conviction or truth into the mind and heart. It's empty and void of substance. Why respond to that which is empty and void of substance? All the works that come from their 'earthy' wisdom will never be rewarded with grace and without the ornament of grace they will never be promoted in the plan and will of God.
 
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Dude STOP TELLING ME WHAT I BELIEVE! DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD??
PAUL SAYS ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED. I TAKE PAUL AT HIS WORD! THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME AGREE WITH HAGGIE. GET OFF YOUR STINKING HIGH HORSE AND COME BACK TO REALITY!
Who is Israel?

How do you know they are not saved?

You don't even know what I believe, and you just proved it again above. You can't call a person a false teacher until you KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF LISTENING. YOUR TAKING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHURCHED I BELIEVE AS GOSPEL TRUTH!


Can you stop shouting?

I'm just responding to your posts man.

You are a dispy. That means you are my mortal enemy. This inevitably means confrontation on doctrinal issues.

The same place I stand. And I can only assume, you stand (I am beginning to wonder though) A child of God who has eternal life based on Christ's death. What does that have to do with the future repentance of ALL ISRAEL??
Because you say that 'Israel' are still in disbelief but WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT. (talk about hyper calvinism!)

So are you talking about 'Israel' the flesh descendants of the tribes or the system of Judaism, the talmudic religion?

If you say its the flesh descendants then what about 'jews' (who you say are part of Israel) who believe in Christ?

Whats the point in them even coming to Christ if they got plan B coming and have assurance (with dispoes anyhoot) that they are gonna repent?

Well Gollie Gee, Let me see. Daniel was a believer. A man of God. Used by God in a mighty powerful way. Yet HE STUCK HIMSELF WITH THE UNBELIEVING< REJECTING GROUP. Should I not follow his example. or reject his example because it does not fit my belief??
Can you just answer the question?

Is it even worth jews converting to Christianity NOW when you lump all 'jews' in this 'still in rejection' group?

Forced. Who said forced? There you go again adding to my words. I never used the word DRAG
It's got nothing to do with that. I was saying what would happen if a bwhole bunch of jews were herded into airplanes and forcibly taken to Palestine. Would the overflowing 'Jewish' population now count as prophecy fulfilled in your eyez?

As does yours. not to mention your refusal to even listen to what anyone says, because your to pridefull to admit you could be wrong.
LOLZ! The irony value just made my teeth shake.

WHAT? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS CRAP?? i HAVE MANY JEWSIH FRIENDS WHO ARE SAVED. I TURN THEM AWAY. And you wonder why they heck people get so mad at you. you twist everything someone says!
Oh now your making eternal godly judgements on who's saved and who's not?

My my.

If those 'jewish Christians' are in your church then I have no doubt they are highly deceived.

How can they be jewish if they are believers in Christ?

Strawman. I do not believe as Hagy does. Your ocntinued refusal to admit this will never make it so.
'Fraid you do pal. Its called DISPENSATIONALISM. It's a grave error. You are turning the true Gospel away from the jews. If jews hear your Gospel then they could quite happily remain jewish knowing that God has a seperate plan for them.

Hey what are we worrying about guys!

Tell ya what! Lets all convert to judaism tomorrow then we can all be a part of prophecy to Israel and be saved by way of jewish prophecy! It's ok cuz the dispys say ALL ISRAEL (that will be us once we convert to talmudic judaism....PHARISEES) will BE SAVED!!!

HOORAH!!

Hey Zone.....wheres your nearest synagogue? LOLZ!

Show me where I idolize jews. I HAVE SAID THEY ARE MY ENEMY CONCERNING THE GOSPEL. HOW THE HECK DO YOU IDOLIZE AN ENEMY??
You can say what you want.....when you put a RELIGIOUS GROUP up on a pedestal and say they are SPECIAL in Gods eyes its idolatry.

Thats funny I said this very thing. Again your refusal to read sickens me
Huh? you said:

For a man who claims he has never set foot in a church (A sin by the way)

Now....I obviously assumed we were both talking about a church building. and that you were saying its a sin to not go to church.

**shrugs**

No. I would just like to to LISTEN to what people say and find out what they believe and stop assuming you know. Churched people assume and never find out. because they listen to what they have been taught. not what is being said.
I'm LISTENING. And responding to everything you say.

Well. Your false accusations do not make you correct either!
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God's Covenant with Abraham

T. Pierce Brown


When one is cutting down a tree, it is not necessary to cut off each twig or branch. If one cuts it off at the base, or uproots it, the tree is down. However, there are values in cutting it up in smaller pieces for other purposes. The same is true with any false doctrine. For example, there are numerous verses in the Bible that show the falsity of premillennialism. Any one of them cuts it off at the roots. When a doctrine is based upon the idea that the kingdom that God promised has not yet been established, but God’s Word plainly teaches that it has, we need go no farther to show that the doctrine is false. Mark 9:1 says, “And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There are some of them that stand by, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power.” Since it is evident that none of them are still living, the kingdom has come with power. Many other passages are equally decisive.

However, we want to examine some roots of the tree and see that it is rotten from the roots up. Also, when we examine it in smaller parts, we can better understand and combat other related false doctrines.

One of the foundations of the premillennial doctrine is that God made a covenant with Abraham that has never been fulfilled. It, therefore, must be fulfilled in the millennium, a thousand-year period in which Christ will set up the kingdom that He planned to set up, and the Jews will inherit the land which was promised to them, but they never received. How a literal thousand-year reign can fulfill a promise that they will possess the land forever is not clear.

It would take several large books to properly deal with all the errors of the system, but let us look at a small sample. J.D. Pentecost says on page 70 of Things to Come that since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob died without receiving the fulfillment of the promises (Hebrews 11:13), it was necessary for God to raise them from the dead to fulfill His Word. Then on page 73 he says, “If it is a literal covenant to be fulfilled literally, then Israel must be preserved, converted and restored.”

Let us note some of the promises made to Abraham and what the Bible says about their fulfillment. It is interesting to note that the same author, on page 83, after giving a list of promises, says, “Denial that these aforementioned promises have been fulfilled is puerile.” Since he says the covenant has never been fulfilled, and then gives a list of the things that were fulfilled, what part of the covenant has not been fulfilled, according to his assumptions?

The primary thing seems to be the land promise. In order to give himself room to maneuver, he says on page 68 that although the covenant is an unconditional one and promises Abraham and his seed the land forever, “an unconditional covenant may have blessings attached to that covenant that are conditioned upon the response of the recipient of the covenant—but these conditioned blessings do not change the unconditional character of the covenant.” It is remarkable how theologians, diplomats and politicians can throw words together that sound like they might mean something but do not mean anything. How a covenant can be unconditional and have the blessing of a promised land, but the blessing be conditioned on the response of the recipient, and yet the promise be unconditional is never explained. He does not specify which blessings of the covenant had conditions attached, but it could not possibly be the blessing of keeping the land! It does not seem to matter that Deuteronomy 4:26 says, “I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto you go over the Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.” Deuteronomy 8:20 says, “As the nations that Jehovah maketh to perish before you, so shall ye perish; because ye would not hearken unto the voice of Jehovah your God.” These are but two of many such references, which show that the idea of an unconditional covenant with disobedient people to receive the land forever is but a figment of imagination.

Let us look at the facts of the case, as the Bible gives them. God says, “I will give to you and your seed after you this land.” Regardless of what any unbeliever says, Joshua 21:43-45 says, “So Jehovah gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And Jehovah gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; Jehovah delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not aught of any good thing which Jehovah had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.”

Without another Scripture, although there are other similar ones, the whole foundation of the premillennial theory is destroyed, for it based upon the idea that they never received the promise of the land. However, we need to understand that even though they received it, God also told them that they would lose it if they were not faithful. Deuteronomy 4:28, 8:19-20 and dozens of other Scriptures make this abundantly clear. Jeremiah 19:11 makes it even more striking, if possible, “Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter’s vessel, that cannot be made whole again.”

Paul shows in Romans 9 through 11 that even though that was true, and they lost their right to the land, God has not cast away His people, for Paul was one of them. In Romans 11:5 he says, “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.” He shows clearly that it is not the fleshly children of Abraham who are to receive the promise, but the spiritual ones who walk by faith. Galatians 3:7 says, “Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham.”

However, it is affirmed that Hebrews 11:13 shows that they did not receive the promises, so they must be resurrected to receive them. It says, “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.” How can we reconcile Hebrews 11:13 with Hebrews 6:15 that says he did receive the promise and Joshua 21:43-45 that says that not one word failed, it all came to pass? The answer seems simple for those who accept the Bible as God’s Word. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob died before all of the promises were fulfilled, for some of the promises had to do with the coming of Christ and the blessings that came through Him, including the “eternal city, whose builder and maker is God.” Even while they were dwelling in the land that had been promised them, they recognized that they were but pilgrims and sojourners, looking for an eternal home. Hebrews 11:13-16 shows that Abraham was not expecting an earthly home, but a heavenly one. The whole of Galatians 3 shows the same thing, summarized by the statement in Galatians 3:27,”And if ye are Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise.”

One other point needs our consideration. It is affirmed that the land was promised to them forever, so they lost it by disobedience, so they will have to get it in the millennium to have the promise fulfilled. There are several problems with that. If Christ is to reign 1000 years, and they are to inherit the land during that time, that 1000 years would no more be forever than some other prior period would be. The truth is that the Hebrew word “olam,” translated “everlasting,” is equivalent to the Greek phrase “eis ton aiona,” which literally means “unto the age” and is an undefined period, meaning “throughout the age” to which it refers. Such passages as Deuteronomy 15:17 where a servant was to belong to his master “forever” and Philemon 15 where the same idea is expressed show it to have reference to an undetermined length of time, but throughout the period under consideration–whatever the period was. Exodus 30:21 gives a fairly clear picture of how a thing could be said to be “forever,” but only last throughout their generations—as long as they existed as God’s chosen people. He is giving instructions to Aaron and his sons who were to be priests. He says, “So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.” Although it was said to be a statute forever, it was to be only “throughout their generations” and the Aaronic priesthood is shown by the Hebrew letter to be replaced by Christ, who is a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek. It is amazing almost beyond belief that persons who claim to be preachers of the Gospel can either deny these facts or teach that although they do not believe the premillennial doctrine, it is of no consequence. It is of serious consequence, for one cannot consistently believe that doctrine and believe what the inspired apostles and Christ Himself taught.

So, God’s covenant with Abraham was not unconditional, and like all other promises of God was either fulfilled or is being fulfilled. The parts that were literally fulfilled are clearly shown, such as the land promise. The parts that are spiritually fulfilled are also shown by the New Testament writers who specifically indicate their fulfillment. Remember that the surest way to know if a prophecy has been fulfilled is to listen to God’s Word as He says, “This is that which was spoken” or other similar words.

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It's pretty disgusting to come in as a new member and see this fighting and hatred going on. Instead of drawing people to Christ and making that a priority you focus on your own self righteousness. A poor example to those watching.
 
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It's pretty disgusting to come in as a new member and see this fighting and hatred going on. Instead of drawing people to Christ and making that a priority you focus on your own self righteousness. A poor example to those watching.
God draws men to Himself.

We just speak the truth.

Nice to meetcha.

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Someone explain where any eternal covenant was made to Abrahams natural seed.
Isnt this what the issue is? Or isnt this the beginning at least of the issue?
Which i think stems from Gen 3:15
 
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I dont think its right starting a doctrine off the book of Daniel
Id say start in Genesis. :)
 
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Gods eternal promise is EVERLASTING life.

Nothing at all to do with safety in this flesh body. In fact scripture states we are to be heavily PERSECUTED for our witness.

Christ is coming and will ressurect the wicked AND the sheep at the same time. On the last day. The wheat and the tares are kept together till the end.

The mercy of God is not for the FLESH but for the SPIRIT.

Eternity with God is what I'm looking forward to.

To go through ANY tribulation even a 'great' one, for my witness of Christ will be AN HONOR.

If I'm deceived....I'll get ruptured before I have tribulations.

If you are deceived......your professed faith in Christ is gonna EVAPORATE.

Actually, Jesus will only takes those that are waiting for Him..
You are waiting for the Grat Tribulation and the anti Christ.. He is the one who will take you
 
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Actually, Jesus will only takes those that are waiting for Him..
You are waiting for the Grat Tribulation and the anti Christ.. He is the one who will take you
What on Earth led you to that conclusion?

And who is THE antichrist? Never heard of him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Someone explain where any eternal covenant was made to Abrahams natural seed.
Isnt this what the issue is? Or isnt this the beginning at least of the issue?
Which i think stems from Gen 3:15
How many times do you have to be shown the words of God.

I give this (land) as an eternal covenant between me and your seed. Not through Ishmael. but through the son you will have from sarah. It is an eternal covenant between me and your descendants who will come after you.

where does Christ fit in to a requirement to God fullfiling this "land" aspect of Gods covenant with abraham. especially since God gave it to Abraham, Issac and Jacob thousands of years before Christ even entered the picture in Bethlehem?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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so tell me mr abiding, strangelove and Zone. what do I believe as far as dispensationalsim goes. Lets hear it point by point. You call me a false teacher. so prove your accusation by showing the world what it is I believe.

No more stupid games. put your money where your mouth is

here is what we will do. You post. I will quote your post. with all falseties highlighted in red. And we can keep doing this until you porve you know everything I believe and hold dear to my heart.

It has to be 100 %
 
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God draws men to Himself.

We just speak the truth.

Nice to meetcha.

Names Doc.
Yes I agree, God draws them. BUT.... We can also be a powerful tool to either radiate the love of Christ or completely turn someone OFF in ever wanting to have anything to do with christianity yes?
 
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How many times do you have to be shown the words of God.

I give this (land) as an eternal covenant between me and your seed. Not through Ishmael. but through the son you will have from sarah. It is an eternal covenant between me and your descendants who will come after you.

where does Christ fit in to a requirement to God fullfiling this "land" aspect of Gods covenant with abraham. especially since God gave it to Abraham, Issac and Jacob thousands of years before Christ even entered the picture in Bethlehem?
(Galatians 3:16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
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so tell me mr abiding, strangelove and Zone. what do I believe as far as dispensationalsim goes. Lets hear it point by point. You call me a false teacher. so prove your accusation by showing the world what it is I believe.

No more stupid games. put your money where your mouth is

here is what we will do. You post. I will quote your post. with all falseties highlighted in red. And we can keep doing this until you porve you know everything I believe and hold dear to my heart.

It has to be 100 %
Make a thread like 4runner.

You can call it...

'Tell away....I'm willing to take on any beliefs you guys say I have'

Lolz.
 
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Yes I agree, God draws them. BUT.... We can also be a powerful tool to either radiate the love of Christ or completely turn someone OFF in ever wanting to have anything to do with christianity yes?
Yes no problem. And that power comes from God not from us.
 
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Yes no problem. And that power comes from God not from us.
And I never said it didn't. Remember tho that your actions, words, responses will have an effect on the non-believer who reads them. We are the tools God uses to affect the hearts of men. Your posts would not attract me to be in search of truth if I was searching. If you show true love to fellow brethren in here, that would be effective, don't you think?
 
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This is funny, I dont remember the huddle. Aint ya sposed to
have a huddle or sumptin in a tag team?

Or do i just have a complex? :)
 
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And I never said it didn't. Remember tho that your actions, words, responses will have an effect on the non-believer who reads them. We are the tools God uses to affect the hearts of men. Your posts would not attract me to be in search of truth if I was searching. If you show true love to fellow brethren in here, that would be effective, don't you think?
You have to prove yourself brethren before I call you Sister......Madaam.
 
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And I never said it didn't. Remember tho that your actions, words, responses will have an effect on the non-believer who reads them. We are the tools God uses to affect the hearts of men. Your posts would not attract me to be in search of truth if I was searching. If you show true love to fellow brethren in here, that would be effective, don't you think?
I see it as one of these moments at times:

James 1:2-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.


the other forums tend to be less.....intense....and patience testing ;)

also true love does not abide in deception and lies. Chastening is often unpleasant to undergo but is needed for the fruit of righteousness to grow. God prunes those He loves so they may bear more fruit...

John 15

The True Vine

1 &#8220;I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 &#8220;I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
 
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