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eternally-gratefull

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why is this about what EG believes?
Because EG has been told he is a false teacher. YET NO ONE KNOWS WHAT EG BELIEVES. AND THEY KEEP PROVING IT BY SAYING STUFF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE. (Like you just did in the above post. asking the silly question about God saving the unregenerate) I mean where does that crap come from?? When have I ever said God will save All isreal even though they have not repented?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your dialectic is boring.

Continue the deabte Start with post #183 in this thread.

Why wont you continue?
Thank for proving you have no desire to debate.

we can't debate until you prove you know what I believe.l all You have done so far is prove you have no clue what I believe. so we are finished.

why won't I continue? if you don't understand what I believe, we CAN"T DISCUSS SCRIPTURE.


Your the one holding us back now. Thats ok though. Its all on you.
 
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Abiding

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Because EG has been told he is a false teacher. YET NO ONE KNOWS WHAT EG BELIEVES. AND THEY KEEP PROVING IT BY SAYING STUFF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE. (Like you just did in the above post. asking the silly question about God saving the unregenerate) I mean where does that crap come from?? When have I ever said God will save All isreal even though they have not done anything to prove they have repented?
Poor thing:eek: youve called me names since i got here. Get over it, and stay with
scripture. And allow readers to learn. It as worthy dialogue, and important. And by the way
youve said i was in a gang and that i am part of the EG whatever conspiracy. How
silly. You also have jumped me without even understanding or having read the dialogue.
So you might need to pay more attention, and stop all the personal stuff. You will be played
like a fiddle if not.
 
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Abiding

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EG says :why won't I continue? if you don't understand what I believe, we CAN"T DISCUSS SCRIPTURE.

come on
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Poor thing:eek: youve called me names since i got here. Get over it, and stay with
scripture. And allow readers to learn. It as worthy dialogue, and important. And by the way
youve said i was in a gang and that i am part of the EG whatever conspiracy. How
silly. You also have jumped me without even understanding or having read the dialogue.
So you might need to pay more attention, and stop all the personal stuff. You will be played
like a fiddle if not.
So your going to continue thinking I believe Israel will be saved even though they have not repented?

And you want me to respect you?? And dialoge with you??


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eternally-gratefull

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EG says :why won't I continue? if you don't understand what I believe, we CAN"T DISCUSS SCRIPTURE.

come on
COME ON??

THEY BELIVE THINK ANIMAL SACRIFICE WILL BE IN THE MILLENIUM

THEY BELIEVE I THINK ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT

AND WE CAN DEBATE WHEN THEY BELIEVE THIS CRAP AND OTHER STUFF I DO NOT BELIEVE?

I have never in my life seen anything like this. well except with catholics.


and you all call your self christian??
 
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unclefester

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Let Strangelove stew in his own mess of porridge and eat of his own dainties, you should go onto other things so that he doesn't try to wear you down with his own appetite for murky knowledge that rots away as slime. Why should we feed into his mess of porridge that is only meant and consumed by swine. People that live in the natural understanding of their own pig nature don't know what is means to be cleansed by the water of the word and have screwed up escatology, among other things.

You can't feel good about this post Red. Brutal.
 
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AnandaHya

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alright lets go through Matthew 24 together then?

Matthew 24

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple

1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” came true in 70 AD, any debate upon the meaning of these verses?

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age


3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” notice they asked Him THREE questions? 1. when will the temple be destroyed 2. when will you return 3. when will this age end?
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. ok the above answers question 3. when will this age END?

The Great Tribulation


15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. talks about the destruction of the temple


23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
talks about the second Advent

mmm that's how I read it. Jesus breaks it up and answers each question separately. they don't all happen at once.

" ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place”" that would be Nero and his crowd when they destroy the temple and enacted required Emperor worship and would not allow people to buy or sell food without a mark showing they had worshiped at his temple that declared him a god.

Judas was called a son of perdition too ya know....Ever think that perhaps the Abomination of desolation from Daniel is not the same person referred to as the son of perdition in the NT?

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

2 Thessalonians 2

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


speaks of the second Advent not destruction of the temple.....

.why combine the two figures? Roman had a covenant with the Pharisees to destroy Jesus and allow them to rule until 70 Ad when Nero decided not to honor it anymore....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You can't feel good about this post Red. Brutal.
i would agree. it is one thing to call someone out. it is quite another to mock and belittle someone. even if they are doing it , two wrongs do not make a right.
 
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AnandaHya

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I think a good thread on covenant would clear things up for some. This is getting wild
and confusing, all these variations socalled of the covenant.
wow.... i was busy typing my response I just posted but wow....

yeah I think discussing what the covenant with God is would be very beneficial for Christians to know. if people don't understand the agreement then how can they follow the terms of the contract?

mmm... i'm going to go pray and read my Bible for a little while now.... i might post the whole number symbolism thing if I feel like it later.....
 
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Abiding

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So your going to continue thinking I believe Israel will be saved even though they have not repented?

And you want me to respect you?? And dialoge with you??


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Fist this is the second time youve asked, and as i said before, i never asked you to respect me!
second yes dialogue is where you discuss things. I never once have said i knew what you believed,
all your presumption will not put words in my mouth.

If you look at any of my posts youll see sincere questions, or plain statements. Nothing
accusatory or emotional, or personal.
 
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You can't feel good about this post Red. Brutal.
Perhaps you will learn about these kind of individuals someday and the what the mood of God is toward them. Feeling good or not has nothing to do with it. This poster rejects the brethren and would continue to do so because he not only rejects certain doctrine of eschatology but the doctrine of the church and assembling with other believers that put themselves under the teaching of a pastor-teacher that is raised up of God. He rejects those that have been raised up of God for the church and would discourage others from assembling under the teaching of scripture that abides in the apostle's doctrine. This is why I will have nothing to do with them and if you can not discern or identify them, then you have a problem. They dishonor the head of the body, therefore dishonor the body of Christ that we are members one of another.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 24

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple

1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” came true in 70 AD, any debate upon the meaning of these verses?

Agree

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age


3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” notice they asked Him THREE questions? 1. when will the temple be destroyed 2. when will you return 3. when will this age end?
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Wars and rumors of wars. How many wars happened between the time jesus departed until 70 AD? And at that. how many antichrist's?

7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

When did all this happen?? This speaks of a great increase of war, famine, disease, earthquakes all over the word. You know. like what we have seen over the last 100 years, and is getting worse the further in time we go? and we are not even sure this is the begining, it could get worse

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

Who are these false prophets? WHo is in tribulation? who has turned against one another? Who is the lawless one?


13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

End of what? Is jesus preaching a works based Gospel here? (Spiritual life is saved) or is he saying he who endures to the end of this tribulation will be saved (physical life)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Has the gospel been taught to ALL nations?


ok the above answers question 3. when will this age END?

The Great Tribulation


15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

When was this great tribulation? AD 70? You mean to tell me that was worse than WW 1 or WW2?

22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

talks about the destruction of the temple

What? Where do you get this? How could it be the temple? You telling me all those things spoken above happened between pentecost and 70 AD? What nations wared against other nations during that time? Where were the great earthquaks. the disease and famines spoken of. Jesus said ALL FLESH. He did not say ALL JES. or Your people. why are you trying to twist scripture


23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.


So where were all these false prophets and Christ that was doing these great miracles between pentecost and ad 70?


26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


talks about the second Advent

Do you know what the word IMMEDIATE MEANS? It has been almost 2000 years. so why has God not come immediately after those things happened??
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Fist this is the second time youve asked, and as i said before, i never asked you to respect me!
second yes dialogue is where you discuss things. I never once have said i knew what you believed,
all your presumption will not put words in my mouth.

If you look at any of my posts youll see sincere questions, or plain statements. Nothing
accusatory or emotional, or personal.
You posted above. and I quote,

Im supposing you think out of nowhere God will save all the unregenerate,


and that is not supposed to be accusatory? then I asked you to show where I ever said this? did you come back with an answer?

are you going to find out what I believe, or continue assuming?

At least one person emailed me to find out when he has a question. i give him props!
 
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Abiding

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COME ON??

THEY BELIVE THINK ANIMAL SACRIFICE WILL BE IN THE MILLENIUM

THEY BELIEVE I THINK ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT

AND WE CAN DEBATE WHEN THEY BELIEVE THIS CRAP AND OTHER STUFF I DO NOT BELIEVE?

I have never in my life seen anything like this. well except with catholics.


and you all call your self christian??
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EG....you come on sooo strong, your not that kind with your words, so what im saying
is you bring this on yourself. Now your doing the Ole "and you call yourself Christian" cliche
Selfcenteredness is the cause of this. Get EG out and dont play if you dont want. And
if you do want to play. Make it about doctrine, and not about you. This has to be. It just
has to. If what you believe is opposite to someone else and you decide to engage with them
dont you think it has to keep from being personal.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG....you come on sooo strong, your not that kind with your words, so what im saying
is you bring this on yourself. Now your doing the Ole "and you call yourself Christian" cliche
Selfcenteredness is the cause of this. Get EG out and dont play if you dont want. And
if you do want to play. Make it about doctrine, and not about you. This has to be. It just
has to. If what you believe is opposite to someone else and you decide to engage with them
dont you think it has to keep from being personal.

Yeah, And strangelove is so loving with his posts. Yet I have never heard you say one thing about how he belittles people? Of course he believes as you do. so I can see why, we stick up for our buddies right?? :p

Why are you refusing to answer? You have not answered one of my accusations. why is this? Do you want to know what I believe, or continue to belittle?

If all you want to do is belittle, we are done.
 
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Abiding

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You posted above. and I quote,

Im supposing you think out of nowhere God will save all the unregenerate,


and that is not supposed to be accusatory? then I asked you to show where I ever said this? did you come back with an answer?

are you going to find out what I believe, or continue assuming?

At least one person emailed me to find out when he has a question. i give him props!
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Ill find your posts later....about how all Israel will be saved. And notice i said i suppose..so of coarse it was
not accusatory and if you think it was then i just dont think your going to be very easy to discuss stuff, your just too touchy.

No Sorry EG im not that interested in finding out what you believe. Where did you get that idea? I come to
read the discussions, give and take.
 
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The prophesys in Matt 24 correspond closely with the seals in Rev 6. They are still future.

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superdave5221

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John 1: 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now we know that Jesus created the entire world, everything in our universe. But the world that John is talking about in verse 10 is more restrictive. He is talking about the Jewish people.

The following is from The Gospel According to John, by D.A.Carson, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1991, p. 126.

[Begin quote] To people who received him, to those who displayed such faith the Word gave the right (exousia; not 'power' as in AV) to become children of God. These people enjoy the privelage of becoming the covenant people of God, a privilage lost by the Messiah's own people (1:11), those related to him by nature and by the grace of the old covenant (cf. notes on vv. 16,17). [End Quote]
 
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Abiding

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Yeah, And strangelove is so loving with his posts. Yet I have never heard you say one thing about how he belittles people? Of course he believes as you do. so I can see why, we stick up for our buddies right?? :p

Why are you refusing to answer? You have not answered one of my accusations. why is this? Do you want to know what I believe, or continue to belittle?

If all you want to do is belittle, we are done.

Now you are accusing...belittle? me? when?stick up for my buddie?who?what are u talking about?
Strangelove?im as aware of his beliefs as you are. Did you think we were roommates? Why is this
about strangelove? who made me the playground attendant?why does his actions justify you? And
what does he have to do with me?and why are you even in a Amillennialism thread????