It is silly when someone takes a passage and explains in the passage what he thinks it means
and when someone else comes, ignores the passage, and just goes off totally ignoring the passage and just tells the guy he is wrong.
however it does do two things
it proves to the person who gave the verse he must be right, because the one goi g against him is to afraid to even mention the verse
no one else will listen to the person, I mean, if they can. To refute in the passage the opening view, then he probably does not know much else
so I guess in that view..keep it up.
[Continued from above]
Ryrie goes on to list this activity. The Holy Spirit will still be involved in salvation and regeneration, the sealing of the 144,000 Jewish missionaries, and the empowering of the two witnesses. He will also indwell and empower believers. However, the Holy Spirit will not restrain sin; God will give mankind over to all its evil desires. The revealing of the Antichrist to the world is something that holds the attention of many in Dispensationalism. There are always new and fascinating guesses about who the Antichrist will be. Opinion is divided in the Dispensational system whether he will be a Jew or a Gentile, whether he will be revealed just before the Rapture or just after, and if he will be someone in power already of if he will come to power at the start of the tribulation period. The anticipation of this time is the reason why Dispensationalists produce so many books and movies on this subject because if they guess correctly they will know that they are about to be raptured up to Heaven. Whenever something momentous happens in this world, like the attack on the World Trade Center or Russia invading Ukraine, Dispensationalists will always wonder if this is the final push to the rise of the Antichrist and the Rapture. Pointing to Daniel 2 and 7 as well as Revelation 13 and 17, Dispensationalism believes that there will be a confederation of ten nations, all of which had been part of the old Roman empire, who will band together to form a one-world government. At some point, there will be
war made upon Israel either just before or just after the Rapture (Ezekiel 38-39). Ezekiel 38 talks about Gog and Magog who Dispensationalists believe are Russia and Iran respectively. With the help of God, Israel will be able to defeat the invaders. The newly-risen-to-power Antichrist will have helped and defended Israel making a treaty with them for seven years. Because this is done at the beginning of the tribulation period, Dispensationalists are always on the lookout for signs that these events are about to occur. So, if Russia sends troops to Iran in the dead of night and it makes the news, then for Dispensationalists this could be the beginning of the tribulation period and the Rapture could be just about to happen. If a political leader were to mention making a treaty with Israel, then Dispensationalists’ ears perk up—and so on. With the Church removed from the Earth and the Spirit of God no longer restraining sin, the people of the world will be left to follow their evil desires. God will pour out His wrath in judgment—both for the world because of their failure in the dispensation as well as on unbelieving Israel to bring them back from exile. This is the time of Jacob’s trouble spoken of in Jeremiah 30. At the beginning of the seven years, God will set aside and seal for Himself 144,000 male Jewish virgins who will be empowered with incredible evangelistic ability (Revelation 7). They will go throughout the world preaching the Gospel and will both endure persecution as well as make converts for Christ. God will also send back to Earth
Moses and Elijah (although some would say Elijah and Enoch). These are the two witnesses of Revelation 11. They will perform signs and wonders and be powerful evangelistic witnesses. The unbelievers of this world will hate these witnesses and seek to kill them, but the two witnesses will have power to do miracles such as shutting up the sky to withhold rain. They will also have the power to kill all who seek to do them harm. As time goes by in the Tribulation, the persecution from the unbelieving world against all Christians will only increase as will the hatred of these two witnesses. Someone who is Reformed may be wondering what happens to the Church at this time. Dispensationalism teaches that the Church is taken up to Heaven where
each individual member stands before the Bema Seat, to be judged by Christ for every thought, word, and deed. [113] This judgment is not for their salvation but for their rewards that they earned or failed to earn in their service for Christ on Earth as Christians. Some will be rewarded greatly; others will have no rewards and will weep at their failures. (These are the carnal Christians.) They will then participate in the marriage supper of the Lamb. With the Church watching, Jesus will be handed a scroll with seven seals. No one but Christ is found to be worthy to open the scroll. This is the scroll of judgment, and Jesus, through His finished work on the cross, has earned the right to bring righteous judgment upon the Earth. This scroll is a literal scroll with seven literal seals.
For Dispensationalism, the prophecies contained in the scroll and the judgments that come from the breaking of the seals are the foretelling of specific, future, literal events. They are not, as the Reformed would contend, apocalyptic figurative language to depict spiritual truth that will take place between the advents of Christ. So for Dispensationalism, the four horses of the apocalypse are literally four horses with four literal riders that are sent forth out of Heaven literally to judge the Earth with the specific literal judgments described.[114]
McKenzie, Robert. Identifying the Seed: An Examination and Evaluation of the Differences between Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology . UNKNOWN. Kindle Edition.
Anyways, I suggest you get the book if you want to know what dispies teach, from a former dispensationalist who has listened to hundreds of messages, and read dozens of books on both sides.
Regarding the seventieth week, my position would be that it is related to Christ's ministry plus the ministry of the Church, culminating in the return of Jesus. 42 months (1260 days or 3 1/2 years) relate to Jesus' ministry, and 42 months relate to the Church's ministry, of which Jesus' ministry is a type.
Is my position certain? NO.
Is the dispie position certain? NO. And I don't even think it is probable. It is obvious Revelation uses numbers in a symbolic fashion, and dispensationalists will firmly resist this, because it does not fit with their narrative.
And, somehow they continue to produce tons and tons of speculative prophesy books. Some strongly suggest certain dates and events and persons involved in end time scenarios, but when their claims don't materialize, dispies suffer memory loss and forget about the fact that someone prophesied falsely.
That's exactly what I did as a cultist, concerning the failed prophesies of the cult's leader.
McKenzie, Robert. Identifying the Seed: An Examination and Evaluation of the Differences between Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology . UNKNOWN. Kindle Edition.
By the way, if anyone has issues with me quoting McKenzie, I will say that your positions are based on various experts in your perspective, too, unless you are a whacky outlyer who may have came up with some novel claims.