Apostles, Prophets, Teachers,...

[zone]

Don't ya know sis. God screwed up, he did not finish scripture. So he has to give special revelation to people to complete what it is he failed to finish. Scripture is not enough.

righteo EG.
and, the special servant class (NAR) have discovered in their experiential encounters that not only is scripture not enough, God didn't enable the christian to read it with comprehension, even though He said they would be empowered by the Spirit to do so...(the proof you see, is that the dumb lazy workers just never quite get it - they just WON'T accept the prophets without a judgmental attitude)

man EG....i'm SO grateful i am not involved in that mess.

the scriptures, and simple preaching from the pulpit, prayer and thanksgiving is all i need.
My Shepherd knows me, and i know Him, and i know HIS voice.

He said things like:

Revelation 2:21
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

Revelation 3:8
I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

 

[zone]

Act 1:23-26
So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles."

i asked how is a MODERN apostle ordained by Christ.

did it ever occur to you that much of the stuff the NEW BREED attempts to reinstitute today is Historical Narrative?

why can't we be joyful and happy to give glory to God for the miraculous ways He laid the foundation of our faith? this i will never understand...reading of the adventures of the Apostles is exciting and real! and shows what great Love and Power God used at Pentecost.

why isn't it enough to honour that?

 

[unclefester]

yes but we need a SCRIBE because these NAR emergents don't believe in writing down the New Revelations for some reason.

VW has over 6 million "words" but we don't get to know what "theLord" is actually saying....maybe we have to wait for Rick Joyner to show up in person and give us name tags and show us which chairs to sit in...then they can gibber in the tongues of angels and we'll take their word for what is being said: YAY!

and we can free-form worship any way we want! i been workin on this breakdance move that'll blow your mind: all for God's Glory you understand.

REAL CHURCH!

it's kinda like this old boy's moves:

Grandpa Lady Gaga Poker Face Dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PdV1j6Msxg

Sheedada mon dayscayo....oh....sorra da mayo skeero.....oh....kallala lee de morto.....woohoo !!(big breath) Just watchin' that guy's got me fired up !!
(Can ya tell I've been practicing ?)

 

[Lifelike]

It goes both ways. I think you are taking those verses out of context. You state you don't even go to church. so why would you care?

I have a relationship with the father. I am with him on a daily basis. I feel him. I talk to him. I see him. I am still learning about him. I have never spoke in tongues. Prophesied (that I know of) or did any of the charismatic things you preach. I don't need it. How do you condem me because you state I have lost my way, and can never know god because I do not practice these things?.

Your not condemned and unable to know God, but just because you don't experience these things doesnt mean they are not God. And to teach against these things puts u in error. Not error that will see you condemned, but error that will restrict you from experiencing God in this way. You say you don't need it, but who says? We don't know what we need half of the time.

I know people who attend those charismatic churches that have no clue about who and what God is. They think he is a miracle worker thats all. They don't know the first thing about his love as a father Because their minds are on their senses. Not in their hearts..

You don't know what these people know of what or who God is. They may be totally unbalanced, and out of order when using the gifts, but that doesnt mean the gift is not of God - people always represent God poorly, but this doesnt mean that God is how they represent Him to be. And they may be lacking in the relationship department, thats sad, but they may also know Him more than you can perceive.

My aunt walked away from God because of one of those churches. because she never heard much of a teaching. all she saw was a bunch of works. She felt left out because she kept being told if she did not speak in tongues she was never baptised wit the HS thus not saved. So she faked it and the pastor interpreted what she said. She knew it was a fake then. Thank God she found a church that worked on fellowship of its people. learning Gods word. Discipling each other. and being a family. .

Again, poor representation, poor ethic and poor handling of a gift doesnt mean the gift doesnt exist. Even if he did interpret with a lie, he's the liar not God. For all we know the word He gave may have been from God.

 

[unclefester]

righteo EG.
and, the special servant class (NAR) have discovered in their experiential encounters that not only is scripture not enough, God didn't enable the christian to read it with comprehension, even though He said they would be empowered by the Spirit to do so...(the proof you see, is that the dumb lazy workers just never quite get it - they just WON'T accept the prophets without a judgmental attitude)

man EG....i'm SO grateful i am not involved in that mess.

the scriptures, and simple preaching from the pulpit, prayer and thanksgiving is all i need.
My Shepherd knows me, and i know Him, and i know HIS voice.

He said things like:

Revelation 2:21
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

Revelation 3:8
I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Amen and Amen.

 

[Abiding]

if things are improving right now recently we had holy laughter...followed by holy drunkenness....then holy shaking...now we are at holy puking
so im a little afraid to see the next improvement.

 

[unclefester]

if things are improving right now recently we had holy laughter...followed by holy drunkenness....then holy shaking...now we are at holy puking
so im a little afraid to see the next improvement.

Lol.....I'm not touching this one....roflmho

 

[VW]

if things are improving right now recently we had holy laughter...followed by holy drunkenness....then holy shaking...now we are at holy puking
so im a little afraid to see the next improvement.

If you must associate yourself with the same spirit that Zone and others are determined to put forth, then I must cease any conversation with you.

God is searching for worshippers who will worship in spirit, and in truth. Even the Samaritans knew when the woman from the well told them of Jesus that they were not to take her word, but go to hear the prophet Himself. All things whic are of Gid testify of and to God, so that we might come to Him to know Him. I suppose that this is a little difficult today, believing that God desires this of us. Almost no one teaches this, nor do they practice drawing near to Him. And the words of Jesus are just as true today as then, when He said to those religious leaders that they shut off the kingdom of heaven from the people, and do not even enter themselves.

I am saddened that it has come to this. It seemed that you have a heart that could draw near to God.

 

[Lifelike]

oh but Fes: God chose VW specially to enter His Holy Presence behind the veil, and to emerge(nt) as a PROPHET for our benefit.

now if we lazy and loathsome "workers" would just smarten up and RECOGNIZE these Apostles and Prophets He has decided (even though He never mentioned it in His word) to send us in these last days, we would find out from them where we're going wrong on doctrine and such.

these fellows are sent to reorganize the church's government, and to relay the foundation.

WHO CARES if it means attemping to even pry up the CornerStone in the process? the apostles and prophets Jesus ordained the FIRST TIME wrote things that we can be deceived by, since scripture is not the last word or final authority: these guys are.

aren't we lucky?

Its the same word, the same spirit, the same doctrine, the same teachings as the early church. Anyone claiming to be from God should be teaching that, and just like any minister on the face of the earth, if he sees that the church is not adhering to sound doctrine he should speak up, ie the catholic lie of purgatory, and works based salvation instead of saved by grace (Luther). At one stage the church didnt believe we are saved by grace through faith, but that we had to obey the pope, and pay. And it was necessary for someone to speak up, one that was appointed by God at that time. Call him what you like, its what he did that was important. Today, still the church holds to many false ideas and doctrines, and idolatry is rampant, and there is a lot of chaos. God will raise ones in this age, to speak the truth, and His church will be purge of more of this stuff. Simple obvious process really. But God will do it, so it doesnt really matter what you believe, or I believe or the Pope believes, God will have His way, in His church God knows who He has called, and He will empower them, and it may not be me or you. But He will get the job done, with or without us.And many will war against what God is doing for MANY varied reasons, but if it be God, there is no way we can win. Who can fight against God?

 

[unclefester]

If you must associate yourself with the same spirit that Zone and others are determined to put forth, then I must cease any conversation with you.

God is searching for worshippers who will worship in spirit, and in truth. Even the Samaritans knew when the woman from the well told them of Jesus that they were not to take her word, but go to hear the prophet Himself. All things whic are of Gid testify of and to God, so that we might come to Him to know Him. I suppose that this is a little difficult today, believing that God desires this of us. Almost no one teaches this, nor do they practice drawing near to Him. And the words of Jesus are just as true today as then, when He said to those religious leaders that they shut off the kingdom of heaven from the people, and do not even enter themselves.

I am saddened that it has come to this. It seemed that you have a heart that could draw near to God.

Knock it off will ya VW. You know nothing of anybody's hearts on this forum. Neither do you know their sorrows or heartaches that God may have used to draw His own unto Himself. And for the record, there is nothing more relevant that testifies of and to God than His divinely inspired word. Inspired by His precious Holy Spirit freely given to all that believe and receive Christ as Lord and Saviour......and by whom His promise to us has been sealed.

 

[Lifelike]

yes...thank you.
i checked out your group.

And you are the oracle, the holder of all truth and the great discerner, the falsity police.

So what denomination do you belong to? We know what you don't belong to, but what do you believe?

So we can have a field day with your position lol.

 

[Abiding]

"could" ? Mr.VW im sorry my cat sitting next to me laughed...at you? not sure...never fully understood cats. But from the start you have been a presumptious man. This is not a trait for a man so deep in the faith as you try to portray...in fact its really the first thing i look for in a man of principle, and to tell you the truth if a man lacks principle i certianly will not expect God will be using that man to guide others. You say you have the spirit and you say it keeps you from error. Well i say you better ask for a refund or a trade in.

By the way i despise gangs and side taking, i spotted that first i came in tho. I rekon its for the weak, at least thats always been my guess. You do as you will with me, I hope always for the unity of the Spirit. But thats Gods choice.

 

[zone]

And you are the oracle, the holder of all truth and the great discerner, the falsity police.

So what denomination do you belong to? We know what you don't belong to, but what do you believe?

So we can have a field day with your position lol.

Reformed
Covenant
Amillennial
Cessationist

here's a field. have fun.

 

[Lifelike]

i asked how is a MODERN apostle ordained by Christ.

did it ever occur to you that much of the stuff the NEW BREED attempts to reinstitute today is Historical Narrative?

why can't we be joyful and happy to give glory to God for the miraculous ways He laid the foundation of our faith? this i will never understand...reading of the adventures of the Apostles is exciting and real! and shows what great Love and Power God used at Pentecost.

why isn't it enough to honour that?

Why isnt it enough to believe that God doesnt change, and that He still heals, still moves by His Spirit, still gives gifts to men, still speaks(Audibly, with the still small voice, through angels, visions, dreams, visitations), still dramatically interacts with His church, still corrects her, still builds her, still shows her things to come, still confrms His word with signs and wonders? Still, still, Still.

And yes, Glory to God for all of the marvelous things He's done in the past! And the foundation He laid thatg never needs to be relayed, which wouldnt make sense really? If you lose sight of the purpose of the building and what it was built on, you will sure build incorrectly, and lose sight of the vision, and build with your own ideas and plans. One of the functions of the apostle and prophet, and pastor teacher and evangelist, is to remind us of that foundation - and what was taught to us. So that we can build effectively and in line with God's plan.

The bible is clear that Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers are for the equpping of the saints (those that arent Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers) until we are the fullness of the stature of Christ. Which will continue until the very end. Once the temple is completed the glory of God will fall and fill it. Pretty simple typology from the old testament - types and shadows remember?

Forget about emergent, NAR whatever whatever, just because they are not the perfect representation of scripture, you be a more accurate representation.

If you dont believe that God is restoring the temple that Jesus spoke of, the you deny the testimony of the old testament. Its definately not finished yet, and its US that is being built into this temple not made with hands - along with all of those that have died with a testimony of Jesus Christ. Some will not die, never taste death - those that remain on the earth when Jesus returns. But they will be changed in the twinkling of the eye, in a moment. W e are still yet a while off from this time in history, but it will be a glorious day. Much more glorious than any single part of History, as it will incorporate all that God has done. It is His work we enter into.

 

[Lifelike]

Reformed
Covenant
Amillennial
Cessationist

here's a field. have fun.

Thanks, nice field. It seems we have already been having a field day with one of your doctrinal pillars - Cessationist. lol.

 

[VW]

Knock it off will ya VW. You know nothing of anybody's hearts on this forum. Neither do you know their sorrows or heartaches that God may have used to draw His own unto Himself. And for the record, there is nothing more relevant that testifies of and to God than His divinely inspired word. Inspired by His precious Holy Spirit freely given to all that believe and receive Christ as Lord and Saviour......and by whom His promise to us has been sealed.

Yes there is, and He is the Holy Spirit, by whom Jesus lives in me.

 

[VW]

"could" ? Mr.VW im sorry my cat sitting next to me laughed...at you? not sure...never fully understood cats. But from the start you have been a presumptious man. This is not a trait for a man so deep in the faith as you try to portray...in fact its really the first thing i look for in a man of principle, and to tell you the truth if a man lacks principle i certianly will not expect God will be using that man to guide others. You say you have the spirit and you say it keeps you from error. Well i say you better ask for a refund or a trade in.

By the way i despise gangs and side taking, i spotted that first i came in tho. I rekon its for the weak, at least thats always been my guess. You do as you will with me, I hope always for the unity of the Spirit. But thats Gods choice.

Hurts, don't it.

Hope you had fun with your laugh.

If anyone speaks against the Father or the Son, it will be forgiven them. But if one speaks against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven them, in this age, nor the next.

 

[AnandaHya]

By the way i despise gangs and side taking, i spotted that first i came in tho. I rekon its for the weak, at least thats always been my guess. You do as you will with me, I hope always for the unity of the Spirit. But thats Gods choice.

lol the only side I chose to take is God's sometimes you find yourself in the middle of a battlefield though. my birds like to crackle and chirp truthfully I don't think anyone agrees with anyone else on everything about the Bible or the world. it really boils down to how people react to the disagreements.

 

[zone]

Hurts, don't it.

Hope you had fun with your laugh.

If anyone speaks against the Father or the Son, it will be forgiven them. But if one speaks against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven them, in this age, nor the next.

GOOD NIGHT! HERE IT IS....AS ALWAYS.

the false prophets' threat of the unpardonable sin......how horrible.

these people seem to have their consciences seared: to apply this threat to a Christian who OBEYS what they are commanded to do (test the spirits; beware of false prophets) is such a reckless thing to do.

yet they continue to do it. without fear.

check out any of the usual suspects (Hinn/Browne/Crouch/Wagner) they all do the same thing - threaten Bereans with the unpardonable sin.

the irony is that these who CLAIM New Revelation, CLAIM the Spirit speaks through them, CLAIM to be 'anointed' ones are IN DANGER OF COMMITTING THAT SIN THEMSELVES!

i guess since you SPEAK FOR GOD VIA THE HOLY GHOST (who speaks to your "heart" yet manages to dictate precise condemnations against the Church in "Christ's voice") WE WHO REJECT YOUR BS ARE IN DANGER OF THE UNPARDONABLE SIN?

wow.

amazing.

the NAR and related loose cannons are banking on Christians NOT knowing scripture.

here's the unpardonable sin for any who may be COWED BY VW's SHAMELESS application of this threat to Bereans when it should be pointed at him for FAKING prophecies from Christ.

Matthew 12
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.


and here it is precisely from The Pharisees themselves:




The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

http://noahide.com/yeshu.htm

 

[zone]

Yes there is, and He is the Holy Spirit, by whom Jesus lives in me.

ya Fes:
VW is like Jesus now: He can read people's minds.

VW....what am thinking right now about your ANTICHRIST threat of the unpardonable sin against Bereans?