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Dear VW, I agree with you. Eternally gratefull does the same thing with Sirach 30:14. He doesn't like it, so he looks for an error in it that is not there. He doesn't follow 2,000 years of Church tradition; he follows a modern private interpretation tradition of his own which can only exist because there was a Protestant Reformation starting with Wycliffe in England and summarized by Martin Luther and John Calvin centuries later. In the past, I, too, was misusing Scripture. And I have sometimes made errors in what I said and what I did. So I need to be aware I have a lot to repent of. We all need the forgiveness of Jesus Christ. None of us are perfect, and it is possible for any one of us to misunderstand something in the Bible. But we won't do that if we follow 2,000 years of Orthodox Church tradition. We can have guidance from men of God who show us the truth out of the Scriptures, from the Scriptures, as they are read in the Church. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD
I am with you until you said that we are to trust traditions and men.
I trust the Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of truth. Actually, it was the Holy Spirit who delivered me from misusing the scripture.
God answered Jesus in His prayer, and He sent us the Comforter, so that we would not be alone, but He would be with us and in us. And the glory which God the Father has given the Son, the Son has given to us, that we all may be one, just as He and the Father are one, Jesus in us, and the Father in Jesus. This happens by and with and of and from the Holy Spirit, who is God, who lives in us.
We can trust Him.
In Christ,
I trust the Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of truth. Actually, it was the Holy Spirit who delivered me from misusing the scripture.
God answered Jesus in His prayer, and He sent us the Comforter, so that we would not be alone, but He would be with us and in us. And the glory which God the Father has given the Son, the Son has given to us, that we all may be one, just as He and the Father are one, Jesus in us, and the Father in Jesus. This happens by and with and of and from the Holy Spirit, who is God, who lives in us.
We can trust Him.
In Christ,
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Meat?Haha.......We need to live with a mind. When that goes your gone. We need to renew it becuase without our mind being regenerated its carnal.
Carnal simply means unregenerate running on the impulses of sin full of selfishness and selfdeception. Side note....Try not to tell people what theyve been through or havnt been through...just ask first its more polite....again this is a forum and there is apparently time to do that.
Anyway our new nature comes when God has excepted us..this comes after He permits us the grace to repent. Your not totally unique in this. I was a confessing christian years before i was saved. I didnt know it at the time but i just came for the fish and the bread. Brokenness came later. How i knew that is my affections changed. But my mind needed reprogrammed and regenerated. Its a sofware thing not a hardware thing. You keep saying it was this and that, that hindered you. Im gona say it was Gods providence that called me when He did. And Im grateful for it all.
VW it seems unfruitful to dialogue with you I notice when im trying to understand you and ask questions...you dont adress them. you seem to go all mystical on me.
Carnal simply means unregenerate running on the impulses of sin full of selfishness and selfdeception. Side note....Try not to tell people what theyve been through or havnt been through...just ask first its more polite....again this is a forum and there is apparently time to do that.
Anyway our new nature comes when God has excepted us..this comes after He permits us the grace to repent. Your not totally unique in this. I was a confessing christian years before i was saved. I didnt know it at the time but i just came for the fish and the bread. Brokenness came later. How i knew that is my affections changed. But my mind needed reprogrammed and regenerated. Its a sofware thing not a hardware thing. You keep saying it was this and that, that hindered you. Im gona say it was Gods providence that called me when He did. And Im grateful for it all.
VW it seems unfruitful to dialogue with you I notice when im trying to understand you and ask questions...you dont adress them. you seem to go all mystical on me.
oh but Fes: God chose VW specially to enter His Holy Presence behind the veil, and to emerge(nt) as a PROPHET for our benefit.
now if we lazy and loathsome "workers" would just smarten up and RECOGNIZE these Apostles and Prophets He has decided (even though He never mentioned it in His word) to send us in these last days, we would find out from them where we're going wrong on doctrine and such.
these fellows are sent to reorganize the church's government, and to relay the foundation.
WHO CARES if it means attemping to even pry up the CornerStone in the process? the apostles and prophets Jesus ordained the FIRST TIME wrote things that we can be deceived by, since scripture is not the last word or final authority: these guys are.
aren't we lucky?
now if we lazy and loathsome "workers" would just smarten up and RECOGNIZE these Apostles and Prophets He has decided (even though He never mentioned it in His word) to send us in these last days, we would find out from them where we're going wrong on doctrine and such.
these fellows are sent to reorganize the church's government, and to relay the foundation.
WHO CARES if it means attemping to even pry up the CornerStone in the process? the apostles and prophets Jesus ordained the FIRST TIME wrote things that we can be deceived by, since scripture is not the last word or final authority: these guys are.
aren't we lucky?
EG may hold to dispensational theology at the moment, and he's imperfect like all of us (except EO Patriarchs who have handed down infallible and inspired Oral Traditions).
but he is one of the most dedicated Christians i know, and he most certainly won't back down from crackpot emergents (who are really just crybabies that can't get along in traditional churches), or those who claim works salvation or apostolic succession by infallible tradition.
but, you'll consort with VW (who also claims apostolic succession) if it affords an opportunity to propagandize for EO and slam the Reformers.....tsk tsk....
btw scott: you say you have a lot to repent of - WHAT'S THE HOLD UP????
do you have to pass through OC inititations before you can repent of your sins, confess to the Lord and receive forgiveness?
the GREAT irony is the very same heresy the big institutions who claim apostolic succession and authority is the same taught by the Lone Wolf emergent charismatics:
THEY ALL USURP THE HOLY SPIRIT'S COMMISSION.
without fear....go figure.
but he is one of the most dedicated Christians i know, and he most certainly won't back down from crackpot emergents (who are really just crybabies that can't get along in traditional churches), or those who claim works salvation or apostolic succession by infallible tradition.
but, you'll consort with VW (who also claims apostolic succession) if it affords an opportunity to propagandize for EO and slam the Reformers.....tsk tsk....
btw scott: you say you have a lot to repent of - WHAT'S THE HOLD UP????
do you have to pass through OC inititations before you can repent of your sins, confess to the Lord and receive forgiveness?
the GREAT irony is the very same heresy the big institutions who claim apostolic succession and authority is the same taught by the Lone Wolf emergent charismatics:
THEY ALL USURP THE HOLY SPIRIT'S COMMISSION.
without fear....go figure.
God is shrouded in mystery.
We are regenerated when the Holy Spirit gives us new birth, the seed of God. (I find it amazing how many believing and professing Christians don't know or believe this.)
As to how I answer your question, it would be enlightening to read how Jesus answered the questions put to Him. I answer as I hear from the Spirit.
But you are correct in saying that we don't have much common ground. I was called when I was 10 years old. I did not actually receive saving grace until I was 42. That is when I was confronted by God about what I thought was a Christian life. That is when I died with Jesus.
In Christ.
yes but we need a SCRIBE because these NAR emergents don't believe in writing down the New Revelations for some reason.
VW has over 6 million "words" but we don't get to know what "theLord" is actually saying....maybe we have to wait for Rick Joyner to show up in person and give us name tags and show us which chairs to sit in...then they can gibber in the tongues of angels and we'll take their word for what is being said: YAY!
and we can free-form worship any way we want! i been workin on this breakdance move that'll blow your mind: all for God's Glory you understand.
REAL CHURCH!
it's kinda like this old boy's moves:
Grandpa Lady Gaga Poker Face Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PdV1j6Msxg
VW has over 6 million "words" but we don't get to know what "theLord" is actually saying....maybe we have to wait for Rick Joyner to show up in person and give us name tags and show us which chairs to sit in...then they can gibber in the tongues of angels and we'll take their word for what is being said: YAY!
and we can free-form worship any way we want! i been workin on this breakdance move that'll blow your mind: all for God's Glory you understand.
REAL CHURCH!
it's kinda like this old boy's moves:
Grandpa Lady Gaga Poker Face Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PdV1j6Msxg
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i guess we need that "New Perspective on Paul" (he got some stuff wrong):
Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
the old Paul says:
Christians were included in Christ WHEN:
1) they HEARD the WORD OF TRUTH
2) which is THE GOSPEL of their salvation
3) THEN they were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit
(I find it amazing how many emergents and modern prophets don't know or believe this.)
Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
the old Paul says:
Christians were included in Christ WHEN:
1) they HEARD the WORD OF TRUTH
2) which is THE GOSPEL of their salvation
3) THEN they were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit
(I find it amazing how many emergents and modern prophets don't know or believe this.)
Calling revelation from the Holy Spirit "special" is an attempt to ostracize the one hearing, and in fact shows the ignorance of the kingdom of heaven. There is no special revelation. There is only revelation, which is available to all who believe.
But because some do not believe, they must resort to inaccurate characterizations in order to ridicule the things they do not understand. And like unreasoning animals they scorn the things which the Holy God has provided for His children. Their end is certain.
But because some do not believe, they must resort to inaccurate characterizations in order to ridicule the things they do not understand. And like unreasoning animals they scorn the things which the Holy God has provided for His children. Their end is certain.
no special revelation? do i REALLY have to go get that ghastly "prophecy" from "jesus" again?
now it's the "Holy Spirt's children"?
did The Holy Spirit carry His Cross to Calvary VW?
the ones "hearing" some "voice" they call the Holy Spiri who gives them speeches in the first person attributed to Jesus ostracize themselves.
unless they repent, their end is certain.
now it's the "Holy Spirt's children"?
did The Holy Spirit carry His Cross to Calvary VW?
the ones "hearing" some "voice" they call the Holy Spiri who gives them speeches in the first person attributed to Jesus ostracize themselves.
unless they repent, their end is certain.
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Act 1:23-26
So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles."
Seems here Jesus showed the apostles who He had chosen as an apostle while He was not present in bodily form, He was able to show them who was chosen. Yes they did cast lots - so it could possibly have been random lol or at least Jesus caused the lot to fall correctly.
As a starting place I would say its not much of a stretch to believe that He can still show us. Jesus also appeared to Paul on the road, and knocked him off his donkey when you say in one of your previous posts, that Jesus was at the right hand of the Father... So it appears that Jesus can not only appear here but speak, while He is in Heaven. See I dont believe that these kinds of things ended with the "apostolic age" and that He still does appear, and still does speak, and still does captain His army. And see no scriptural support that these things to have ceased.
So if Jesus can appear, or at least speak from heaven, then He can commission.
I know many people that Christ has appeared to, close friends. I havent personally seen Him, but I have experienced God speaking to me in such a way that I could feel and hear His voice audibly and it felt like every cell in my body reverbrated with His voice.
So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles."
Seems here Jesus showed the apostles who He had chosen as an apostle while He was not present in bodily form, He was able to show them who was chosen. Yes they did cast lots - so it could possibly have been random lol or at least Jesus caused the lot to fall correctly.
As a starting place I would say its not much of a stretch to believe that He can still show us. Jesus also appeared to Paul on the road, and knocked him off his donkey when you say in one of your previous posts, that Jesus was at the right hand of the Father... So it appears that Jesus can not only appear here but speak, while He is in Heaven. See I dont believe that these kinds of things ended with the "apostolic age" and that He still does appear, and still does speak, and still does captain His army. And see no scriptural support that these things to have ceased.
So if Jesus can appear, or at least speak from heaven, then He can commission.
I know many people that Christ has appeared to, close friends. I havent personally seen Him, but I have experienced God speaking to me in such a way that I could feel and hear His voice audibly and it felt like every cell in my body reverbrated with His voice.
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No mention of tongues, Healings, etc? Then how did these concepts come about? lol Because Paul taught about their proper usage when we get together, so that things might be done decently and in order. He also teahes on prophecy, and word of knowledge, revelation, visions - because all of the we happening in the early church, not through only the apostles, but through everyone. The churches were young, and immature though and still full of unwhole people and so teaching was needed to bring order, and to ensure that what was freely pouring out was stewarded properly and was not out of order, so that God was honoured and so were people.
The charismatic church today is out of order, and is a mess, and there is true and false mixed together. But God is bringing order to His church. Jesus is bringing order to HIS church, and its HIS doctrine that the apostles taught.
The charismatic church today is out of order, and is a mess, and there is true and false mixed together. But God is bringing order to His church. Jesus is bringing order to HIS church, and its HIS doctrine that the apostles taught.