Are Catholics saved?
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Catholics and non Catholics can be saved or unsaved. The point of salvation is at the end of the story with a persons life i think, We need the experience of receiving the Life of God, which is only through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but once that life works in us we need to let it work its perfect work, it is a process and i think we can come out of it really good, or not so good or maybe not at all... its about relationship with Christ, giving and receiving life. I dont believe the Catholic doctrine is right in alot of areas, the bible is right though, (anywhere we or any religion or thought or philosophy has deviated from the Word its off track from the Truth and the Life), but that doesnt mean u cant be saved if you are a catholic or belong to any other creed, just comes down to what gospel you have believed? Jesus said there is NO way to the Father but through me, He made it very clear what we must believe - and THAT is what saves a person, have they believed in Jesus Christ? and have u continued in it? Jesus doesnt allow for this "many roads" philosophy, or some other interpretation of His words, its is the simple version not the esoteric or symolic version that can save you. Its just as He said it "Me (jesus, the man, the person) Father ( the God outline in the bible, not the God of some other religion or faith), we just need to believe the simple truth and walk in it - i know its not that easy sometimes, but thats what we need to come back to, simplicity of devotion to Christ (the Christ as described and outlined in the Word - the way He has been revealed) sorry to labour the point i just hate what satan tries to do to the word of God, he loves to distort, and make you think there is another way to God than that what God has said.
ps. some beliefs and faiths more than others can quench that life that is within the true believer even to the point of snffing it out.
ps. some beliefs and faiths more than others can quench that life that is within the true believer even to the point of snffing it out.
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Catholics and non Catholics can be saved or unsaved. The point of salvation is at the end of the story with a persons life i think, We need the experience of receiving the Life of God, which is only through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but once that life works in us we need to let it work its perfect work, it is a process and i think we can come out of it really good, or not so good or maybe not at all... its about relationship with Christ, giving and receiving life. I dont believe the Catholic doctrine is right in alot of areas, the bible is right though, (anywhere we or any religion or thought or philosophy has deviated from the Word its off track from the Truth and the Life), but that doesnt mean u cant be saved if you are a catholic or belong to any other creed, just comes down to what gospel you have believed? Jesus said there is NO way to the Father but through me, He made it very clear what we must believe - and THAT is what saves a person, have they believed in Jesus Christ? and have u continued in it? Jesus doesnt allow for this "many roads" philosophy, or some other interpretation of His words, its is the simple version not the esoteric or symolic version that can save you. Its just as He said it "Me (jesus, the man, the person) Father ( the God outline in the bible, not the God of some other religion or faith), we just need to believe the simple truth and walk in it - i know its not that easy sometimes, but thats what we need to come back to, simplicity of devotion to Christ (the Christ as described and outlined in the Word - the way He has been revealed) sorry to labour the point i just hate what satan tries to do to the word of God, he loves to distort, and make you think there is another way to God than that what God has said.
ps. some beliefs and faiths more than others can quench that life that is within the true believer even to the point of snffing it out.
ps. some beliefs and faiths more than others can quench that life that is within the true believer even to the point of snffing it out.
God Bless You
M
This may sum up the central point of the disagreement on the Lord's Supper. I see the resurrection as the most important thing ever and you see the crucifiction. when you celebrate the Lord's supper, you celebrate the crucifiction. When I celebrate the Lord's supper, I also celebrate the second coming of the Resurrected One.
C
Interesting you should say that since as a (strictly speaking) Protestant and one who converted under Evangelical dogma, I've always understood the death of Christ as being the main 'point' of salvation. When I was still an Evang, celebrating Communion was more an act of obedience, with varying degrees of spirituality involved depending on the denomination (from 'do it becuse Jesus says so' to 'Christ is present somehow' etc).
I meant, do you believe that Protestants are saved. both Protestants and Catholics are saved by grace, through faith. I often express this as putting one's trust in Jesus and His work on the cross.
As I am saved by grace through faith, that does not mean that immediately all of the things I do wrong will immediately stop and I am perfect as a human.
How do I live a more Godly life that My Father would have me live?
How do I see victory over the things I do that I should not do. In other words how is sin conquered in my life?
K
He has to become Catholic.
You are saved through Christ and not through a religion.
Religion (noun)
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience
3. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
Catholics follow into #3: "ritual observance of faith". Over and over again, the catholic "mass" is the same. Kinda reminds me of Bugs Bunny when he was telling a reporter over the phone of his career in show business. EVERY song was the same no matter where he was: "Oh! We're the boys of the chorus. We hope you like our show. We know you're rooting for us but now we have to go."
Every Sunday. Every City. Every catholic congregation says relatively the same thing.
To be actually SAVED is to accept God's Lamb that was sacrificed for our sins.
Just like in the Jewish Day of Attonement where people would have to supply the lamb for the sacrificial offering, God supplied HIS Sacrificial Lamb for us!
Old Testament: God accepted OUR sacrifice.
New Testament: WE accept GOD'S Sacrifice!
The Church should not make any rules or regulations that would hinder God's Plan.
Once I accepted Jesus, was a drawn to the RCC? No. Rather, I was drawn away.
WHY would I want to ask any Heavenly being to intercede to God for me when Jesus is forever interceding?
Hebrews 7: 25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 4
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
C
Thank you for your answer. I totally agree with it. May I ask you one more question before I answer yours
As I am saved by grace through faith, that does not mean that immediately all of the things I do wrong will immediately stop and I am perfect as a human.
How do I live a more Godly life that My Father would have me live?
How do I see victory over the things I do that I should not do. In other words how is sin conquered in my life?
As I am saved by grace through faith, that does not mean that immediately all of the things I do wrong will immediately stop and I am perfect as a human.
How do I live a more Godly life that My Father would have me live?
How do I see victory over the things I do that I should not do. In other words how is sin conquered in my life?
I have found that the asking of these particular questions is the first part of answering these particular questions. The desire, fueled by the new nature, brings up the question. That same desire, by the power of the Holy Spirit will take both of us to the godly life.
When I was ten I with my family changed church. We went to a denomination that would be considered fundementalist. They prided themselves on being a full, Bible believing church. Only accepting the whole of the Bible would do, half measures were totally unacceptable.
They taught correctly that if you repent of your sins and ask Jesus into your life you are saved, all your past sins are forgiven. This I did four weeks after joining the church.
That was when my trouble started. I immediately became convicted of my sin. How? Because of God's good laws, and I guess you may say by the Holy Spirt. The problem was I was never taught the sanctification process. Great emphasis was put on the Holy Spirt, and week after week we were taught the scriotures on how we should live as Christians, but how to be free of sin?
I was left with the opinion that I had been saved, but it was up to me to reach a place of near sainthood to be acceptable to God, and if I did not succeed my salvation was not real or in grave danger.
And so I tried so hard to be 'good enough' for God. How? By obeying the Ten Commandments and not doing anything else that I knew was wrong.
To many this may sound right, but is it the Biblical way?
I found myself doing more and more wrong things, despite how hard I tried not to. The good laws of God instead of giving me life were condemning me to death. Does this sound familiar according to scripture to you?
But you see, this church that prided itself on following the whole Bible, never taught or preached on what Paul said in Romans7:7-11 concerning one of the Ten Commandmnets(coveting) nor have I heard it preached on in any other protestant church I have attended. Sin used the good laws of God to condemn the Apostle Paul. In fact when the commandment came. 'Sin sprang to life in him.'
I became crushed and gave up with God due to my inability to live this almost perfect life I assumed others were living, due to my seeing people in church each week in their fine Sunday best clothes, speaking so politely to everyone and acting as pure as the driven snow.
I never heard preached that we can't get to Heaven by being good enough, we can't get there by 'good works, we can't earn our way to Heaven and we certainly can't get there by obeying the law. No one told me the law can only make us concious of our sin. Rom3:20
No-one told me the Christian is not under law, as the Apostle Paul so often clearly states. No-one told me our only righteousnesws from first to last is faith in Jesus. Rom1:17. No-one told me, 'law brings wrath'. And no-one told me I was ignoring Christ's death on the cross by trying to have a righteousness of law. Gal2:21. I could say much more concerning all of this, but I guess you understand my point.
But this 'Bible believing Protestant church' felt it there duty to give us many sermons on how wrong the catholic church was with its doctrine and beliefs. They found fault with most other denominations as well, but to a lesser extent.
Now maybe your protestant churches are differant in America, though this would surprise me, no offence meant, but to me this comes down to human nature, not nationality.
I have never heard in any Protestant church I have visited much of what the Apostle Paul wrote.
So when I am asked the question. Will Catholics go to Heaven, I feel it quite natural to ask the same question concerning many Pritestants. To me God sees the heart. I am sure many Catholics belong to their church because they were bought up to. I am also sure that despite some of what is taught many know and accept John3:16. Whosoever believeth in me will not perish but have eternal life. Now I know satan believes in Jesus, but I don'tr think he is trusting in Jesus death on the cross to get him into Heaven.
But in our pride we often like to add our own interpretation as what is neccessary.
We as you say are saved by grace, through faith. We are sanctified, by faith in Jesus and thye work of the Holy Spirit in us. I am sure many catholics in their hearts know this. Just as some of their teaching I believe to be wrong, I also know that so many Protestant churches have wrong teaching also.
I am on a website in the UK. There is a man on it. When someone insults his denomination, he replies with kindness and love. When he personally is insulted and sneered at, che never responds in the same manner. He always tries to encourage, never discourage, and he freely admits his church has imperfections. He is a Catholic. Many Protestants on this website feel it their righteous duty to attack and find fault with his church, but never does he reply unkindly or by finding fault with Protestant churches.
I wonder if God is looking down from Heaven at all of this, who is most pleased with. Real Christianity is shown by love
C
Living-by-Grace: We are his workmanship. It is He who works righteousness in me. I appreciate your testimony and I agree that the sign of the Christian is the love which they have for their brethren. It is often difficult for churches to maintain a biblical balance. Walking in grace and allowing the transforming work of the Holy Spirit is the key. Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God and he will lift you up. I will pray that God will work His good purposes in you.I hope that you will do the same for me.
Living-by-Grace: We are his workmanship. It is He who works righteousness in me. I appreciate your testimony and I agree that the sign of the Christian is the love which they have for their brethren. It is often difficult for churches to maintain a biblical balance. Walking in grace and allowing the transforming work of the Holy Spirit is the key. Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God and he will lift you up. I will pray that God will work His good purposes in you.I hope that you will do the same for me.
Yes I surely will pray for you also. I know from your words your heart is right with God. I just feel that none of us has a true monopoly on correct teaching. But God knows that, even The Apostle Paul said now he knows in part, then he will know fully.
I am positive the 'part' I know is not as great as the 'part' the Apostle Paul knew, God Bless You
C
Yes I surely will pray for you also. I know from your words your heart is right with God. I just feel that none of us has a true monopoly on correct teaching. But God knows that, even The Apostle Paul said now he knows in part, then he will know fully.
I am positive the 'part' I know is not as great as the 'part' the Apostle Paul knew, God Bless You
I am positive the 'part' I know is not as great as the 'part' the Apostle Paul knew, God Bless You
K
Right, except to know Christ is to be religious.
So you don't value the prayers of anyone else?
So you don't value the prayers of anyone else?
"religious" is what you DO. To be saved, you have to accept what Christ has DONE.
How do you know if those in Heaven already, are actually praying for you? Since Jesus is forever interceding for us, why go anywhere else? Is Christ deminished? Is his intercession good enough for you? Does He need help? Is He not good enough at all?
M
"religious" is what you DO. To be saved, you have to accept what Christ has DONE.
How do you know if those in Heaven already, are actually praying for you?
Since Jesus is forever interceding for us, why go anywhere else? Is Christ deminished? Is his intercession good enough for you? Does He need help? Is He not good enough at all?
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