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kujo313

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Why pray at all since Jesus is interceding for us? Why ask our earthly friends to pray for us? The truth is, the power of prayer is a mystery, but I believe that God is pleased to allow us this part to play in His eternal plan.
We pray to God because Jesus told us to.


Matthew 7:7-11

7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
 
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greatkraw

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An old preacher once described religion as defining Biblical Christianity and a multitude of sins:)
 
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greatkraw

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We pray to God because Jesus told us to.

Matthew 7:7-11

7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!

God wants the relationship!!!
 
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Maddog

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We pray to God because Jesus told us to.
So we agree that it is right to pray, and also that it is right for others to pray for us? I'm happy with that.
 
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kujo313

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So we agree that it is right to pray, and also that it is right for others to pray for us? I'm happy with that.

Yes, of course. Where two or more gather in the Name of Jesus, He is there. He is forever interceding for us to God Himself.

Jesus is PERFECT as an Intercessor. Why would anybody WANT anyone else?
 
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Maddog

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Yes, of course. Where two or more gather in the Name of Jesus, He is there. He is forever interceding for us to God Himself.

Jesus is PERFECT as an Intercessor. Why would anybody WANT anyone else?
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking.
 
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Maddog

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so if wee have access to Jesus, and we do, why petition my dead uncle or even Jesus' motherr?
For the same reason we ask our earthly brothers to pray for us.
 
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kujo313

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For the same reason we ask our earthly brothers to pray for us.

Our earthly brothers and sisters are in the same boat as the rest of us.

John 11

21"Lord," Martha said to Jesus, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."

John 14

13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

John 15

16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

John 16

23In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.
25"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. 26In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

Matthew 7:11

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
 
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chillymill777

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The Roman Catholic Faith vs Biblical Christianity


Features that set the Roman Catholic Church apart from other Christian Churches include the following beliefs and practices.

To belong to the Roman Catholic Church, a member must accept as factually true the Gospel of Christ as handed down in tradition and as interpreted by the churches Bishops in union with the Pope.

Matthew 15:1-3, 23:27-28, Mark 7:6-9, 7:13

Belief in the infallibility of the Pope in his giving of definitive rulings on matters of faith and morals.

John 4:23-24, 10:3-6, Romans 3:19-26

Belief that individual salvation is achieved through both faith and works.

Romans 8:1-4, 9:30-32, John 3:16-26, Acts 4:12

Belief in purgatory as a place where souls go after death for Spiritual cleansing and growth before going to Heaven.

Luke 16:19-31

Belief that the saints who should be venerated, are able to act as intercessors between God and man.

John 16:12-15, 10:27-30, 14:26-27, 16:7-15, Romans 8:26-27

Belief that the virgin Mary, The Mother of God and Queen of the Church, was conceived without orignal sin, retained her virginity throughout her life, and was assumed into Heaven.



(Called by God Most High)

Evangelist/Missionary - R. Nolen Miller

I have never been to seminary but I have been to Calvary
By- Dan Smith

Mighty Warrior's of the Saints of Heaven Ministry
 
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kujo313

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The Roman Catholic Faith vs Biblical Christianity


Features that set the Roman Catholic Church apart from other Christian Churches include the following beliefs and practices.

To belong to the Roman Catholic Church, a member must accept as factually true the Gospel of Christ as handed down in tradition and as interpreted by the churches Bishops in union with the Pope.



Belief in the infallibility of the Pope in his giving of definitive rulings on matters of faith and morals.







Belief that the saints who should be venerated, are able to act as intercessors between God and man.



Belief that the virgin Mary, The Mother of God and Queen of the Church, was conceived without orignal sin, retained her virginity throughout her life, and was assumed into Heaven.



So we can both agree that in order to be a part of the Roman Catholic Church, you have to believe in what the RCC says.

In order to go to Heaven, you have to believe in what Jesus said.

Without Mary, God would've used another virgin.
Without Jesus, there's no hope.

Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8
Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”

Revelation 22
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

Acts 10
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” (worship God alone)



Sorry, I cannot "worship" (admire, adore, adulate, bow down to, canonize, celebrate, chant, deify, dote on, esteem, exalt, extol, idolize, laud, magnify, offer prayers to, pay homage to, praise, pray to, put on a pedestal, respect, revere, reverence, sanctify, sing, sing praises to, venerate ) Mary.

Jesus said the first and greatest commandment is to love GOD with our ALL. Peter didn't want to be worshipped and neither did the angel in Revelation. We're told to worship God and God, alone.
 
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Excuse me? Worshiping is rather strong degree above just veneration and respect.

To Worship something is, effectively, to uphold it as a pattern of perfection, to adore it to the point that it becomes the ideal.

I think Batman is awesome, but he's not the ideal. He's not an object of Worship, not something I adore and wish to pattern my actions after.

Praying to Mary and other Catholic practices may strike me as odd, but weigh your words carefully before you call them idolatry.
 
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Mary had no authority among the aposltes. No one was taught to pray to her, to do homage, to adore her, or partake of the unscriptural worship and call it another name. And doctrine to be true must conform to the Word of God. John 8:31,32 Isaiah 8:20 Exodus 20:3,4 Isaiah 7:14Roman Catholics disgracefully elevate Mary to extreme levels not taught anywhere in the Scriptures. Mary was a vessel used to bring Christ into the world . She had no special position or recognition With God.Mary was a sinful , but virtuous, human being who was graciously chosen by God.Mary is not the "mother of God" God has no mother. Mary was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, but the incarnate Godhead has no mother. Jesus had no earthly father, but was conceived by a miracle of the Holy Spirit of God. Mary was a good respectable woman, but she was still hell -deserving sinner, just like any other virtuous lady who is a child of God.
 

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Mary IS the mother of God because Jesus IS God. By denying her that title you deny that Jesus is Lord. When we honour Mary, we honour Christ. You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity. He is both fully God and fully man.
 
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kujo313

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Mary IS the mother of God because Jesus IS God. By denying her that title you deny that Jesus is Lord. When we honour Mary, we honour Christ. You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity. He is both fully God and fully man.

Wow! I guess then we'll have to honor mothers of doctors, generals and politicians, too. I can easily deny giving Mary ANY titles and claim that Jesus is Lord.

It is the Roman Catholic Church (man) who has lifted Mary to that title. It's your "golden calf".

Let's see what Peter said in Acts 2:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.
15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’


22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.
25 For David says concerning Him:


‘ I foresaw the LORD always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,
31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.
32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:


‘ The LORD said to my Lord,

“ Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”


I think he covered it all. What do we need to do, then?

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

PERFECT time for Peter to say that Mary, who was RIGHT THERE IN THE ROOM WITH PETER, to say "Here she is, the "Mother of God", Herself."

WHAT did Peter reply?

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Uh... no mention of Mary at all. How RUDE! (j/k)

Yet, YOU will then reply to this with some quotes from the 2nd century. My reply to that would be: "All the disciples were dead at that time. Even IF that person you supposedly "quoted" just MIGHT have been with one of the disciples before they died, you CANNOT say that that was what the certain disciple actually SAID. Nobody was there in the 2nd century to say to them, "that's NOT the way it happened, you're wrong."

Example: I could say something about my great-grandparents. Something GREAT. However, I would never have known because they died before I was born. Now, if you found a diary that they actually kept, in their own writing, THEN you would get the TRUTH from their own writings; their own EYEWITNESS.

The words of Jesus and His disciples quoted, in your own "bible", are not even followed by the current Roman Catholic Church. If so, then this whole "wear my scapular" and "pray my rosary" would've been challenged and tested to the foundation of the Christian faith: the Gospels and the writings of Paul, James and John.

The "writings" of the 2nd century has resonable doubt. The 1st Century, however, is solid.
 
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Excuse me? Worshiping is rather strong degree above just veneration and respect.

To Worship something is, effectively, to uphold it as a pattern of perfection, to adore it to the point that it becomes the ideal.


Praying to Mary and other Catholic practices may strike me as odd, but weigh your words carefully before you call them idolatry.

There's many "patterns" in the RCC. How many catholics even OWN a rosary? How many wear "Mary's" scapular in hoping of the "promise" that comes with it? (supposedly Mary: "Wear MY scapular at the time of death and you WILL escapt hellfire.")

All that and people flocking by the tens of THOUSANDS to see an image of Mary on a grilled cheese sandwich. Then there's those who pray at the steps of state and federal buildings with their prayer beads. I don't see ANY red words in ANY Bible that tell ANYBODY to pray like that and to Mary.

Sorry, you've been "duped" by your own leaders into believing in something that Jesus never instructed us to do.

Enough said on the subject. Repent and be baptized. Follow the Messenger, NOT the people who point the way to Him.
 
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kujo313

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Mary had no authority among the aposltes. No one was taught to pray to her, to do homage, to adore her, or partake of the unscriptural worship and call it another name. And doctrine to be true must conform to the Word of God. John 8:31,32 Isaiah 8:20 Exodus 20:3,4 Isaiah 7:14Roman Catholics disgracefully elevate Mary to extreme levels not taught anywhere in the Scriptures. Mary was a vessel used to bring Christ into the world . She had no special position or recognition With God.Mary was a sinful , but virtuous, human being who was graciously chosen by God.Mary is not the "mother of God" God has no mother. Mary was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, but the incarnate Godhead has no mother. Jesus had no earthly father, but was conceived by a miracle of the Holy Spirit of God. Mary was a good respectable woman, but she was still hell -deserving sinner, just like any other virtuous lady who is a child of God.

AMEN!
We gotta give her some credit, though, but that's it.

She was very young and was told that she'd be pregnant before she married. THAT deserved the death penality. No wonder she pondered it all and kept quiet. She DID say that all nations shall call her "blessed" but that's the SAME WORD that Jesus used on His "sermon on the mount": Just is "blessed" is everybody else.

Three cheers for Mary!
Now, let's get all of our focus back to God, Himself.

(hugs)
 

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You're kidding right? You would deny Mary the proper title of Mother of God? So who exactly is Mary the mother of? If you deny her that title you are in effect denying that Jesus is God. Please tell me you're not serious! Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Even in the Gospels themselves we hear Elizabeth proclaim in wonder that the "Mother of my Lord" would visit her in Luke 1:43! The term used there is the same term used to refer to God.

Here's some nice scripture references that might help you understand how Mary is unique in her role as the mother of God.

Gen. 3:15 - we see from the very beginning that God gives Mary a unique role in salvation history. God says "I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed." This refers to Jesus (the "emnity") and Mary (the "woman"). The phrase "her seed" (spermatos) is not seen elsewhere in Scripture.
Gen 3:15 / Rev. 12:1 - the Scriptures begin and end with the woman battling satan. This points to the power of the woman with the seed and teaches us that Jesus and Mary are the new Adam and the new Eve.
John 2:4, 19:26 - Jesus calls Mary "woman" as she is called in Gen. 3:15. Just as Eve was the mother of the old creation, Mary is the mother of the new creation. This woman's seed will crush the serpent's skull.
Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23 - a virgin (the Greek word used is "parthenos") will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means "God is with us." John 1:14 - God in flesh dwelt among us. Mary is the Virgin Mother of God.
Matt. 2:11 - Luke emphasizes Jesus is with Mary His Mother, and the magi fall down before both of them, worshiping Jesus.
Luke 1:35 - the child will be called holy, the Son of God. Mary is the Mother of the Son of God, or the Mother of God (the "Theotokos").
Luke 1:28 - "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you." These are the words spoken by God and delivered to us by the angel Gabriel (who is a messenger of God). Thus, when Catholics recite this verse while praying the Rosary, they are uttering the words of God.
Luke 1:28 - also, the phrase "full of grace" is translated from the Greek word "kecharitomene." This is a unique title given to Mary, and suggests a perfection of grace from a past event. Mary is not just "highly favored." She has been perfected in grace by God. "Full of grace" is only used to describe one other person - Jesus Christ in John 1:14.
Luke 1:38 - Mary's fiat is "let it be done to me according to thy word." Mary is the perfect model of faith in God, and is worthy of our veneration.
Luke 1:42 - "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus." The phrase "blessed are you among women" really means "you are most blessed of all women." A circumlocution is used because there is no superlative in the Greek language. Note also that Elizabeth praises Mary first, and then Jesus. This is hyperdulia (but not latria which is worship owed to God alone). We too can go through Mary to praise Jesus. Finally, Catholics repeat these divinely inspired words of Elizabeth in the Rosary.
Luke 1:43 - Elizabeth's use of "Mother of my Lord" (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used "Adonai" which means Lord God) is the equivalent of "Holy Mary, Mother of God" which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus' Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus' human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).
Luke 1:44 - Mary's voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth's womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.
Luke 1:46 - Mary claims that her soul magnifies the Lord. This is a bold statement from a young Jewish girl from Nazareth. Her statement is a strong testimony to her uniqueness. Mary, as our Mother and intercessor, also magnifies our prayers.
Luke 1:48 - Mary prophesies that all generations shall call her blessed, as Catholics do in the "Hail Mary" prayer.

Gal. 4:4 - God sent His Son, born of a woman, to redeem us. Mary is the woman with the redeemer. By calling Mary co-redemptrix, we are simply calling Mary "the woman with the redeemer." This is because "co" is from the Latin word "cum" which means "with." Therefore, "co-redemptrix" means "woman with the redeemer." Mary had a unique but subordinate role to Jesus in salvation.
Eph. 1:1; Phil. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - the word "saints" (in Hebrew "qaddiysh") means "holy" ones. So Mary is called Holy, the greatest Saint of all.
Luke 2:35 - Simeon prophesies that a sword would also pierce Mary's soul. Mary thus plays a very important role in our redemption. While Jesus' suffering was all that we needed for redemption, God desired Mary to participate on a subordinate level in her Son's suffering, just as he allows us to participate through our own sufferings.
Luke 2:19,51 - Mary kept in mind all these things as she pondered them in her heart. Catholics remember this by devoting themselves to Mary's Immaculate Heart and all the treasures and wisdom and knowledge contained therein.
 
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Is it true that there is a significant Catholic movement to have Mary declared coexecutrix with Jesus?
 
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How is one saved? < ----- maybe this is an easier question to ask.

Besides, lots of folks add and drop me from their Facebook friend list. I don't hold it against their eternal salvation :p
I would make a horrible god, so they're lucky.
To supplement your quote of St. John of the Cross, here's another:
"...the spirit of silence ought to lead us at times
to refrain even from good speech..." from Chapter VI of the Rule of St. Benedict
 
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