Are there three persons in God?
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God who is not a man as us is not made after the rudiments of this world .He remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life.
Image is representation. Not mirror image as if God had a face we could behold with our human eyes. His glory is in respect to his loving unseen character. Its why Christ said of his own corrupted flesh that it could never profit as a means of salvation .It is his Spirit that quickens our souls. His word is Spirit as that which did profit .If you are looking for a mirror image of God .Then look to the angels who also have no form or DNA rather than walking by sight.
Image is representation. Not mirror image as if God had a face we could behold with our human eyes. His glory is in respect to his loving unseen character. Its why Christ said of his own corrupted flesh that it could never profit as a means of salvation .It is his Spirit that quickens our souls. His word is Spirit as that which did profit .If you are looking for a mirror image of God .Then look to the angels who also have no form or DNA rather than walking by sight.
When God says He is spirit and would be worshiped in spirit and truth, manhy who would be teachers of the Word fall short in putting the Creator on the same level as his cretures of this age. This lack of understanding has to be very painful. If not for the one who does not understand, for all those who hear these misconceptions being put forth as solid and true lessons from God....... Come the Kingdom we all will be just like Jesus Christ. How this will be we do not yet know, but we do know it will be glorious and wonderful All will be so, wow.....hallelujah! God bless all who are inJesus Christ....amen
No, birdbrain, we've explained the definition of truth to you many times, so you've just asked another deliberately stupid and antagonistic question.
Do you have nothing better to do than to play childish games on chat sites? You're obviously not seeking the truth.
The bible teaches there is one God in three persons.
The Jehovah's Witnesses organization is not a christian denomination, it is a religious cult.
Do you have nothing better to do than to play childish games on chat sites? You're obviously not seeking the truth.
The bible teaches there is one God in three persons.
The Jehovah's Witnesses organization is not a christian denomination, it is a religious cult.
U
Does love need an object of love to exist?
Even if God is only One and not Triune ( just saying this for discussion sake not that I necessarily disagree with the triune nature), He can still love Himself as One not three.
I think it is a little dangerous to say the triune nature has to be because God is love, I also think this comes dangerously close to polytheism, three gods that love each other worries me.
Even if God is only One and not Triune ( just saying this for discussion sake not that I necessarily disagree with the triune nature), He can still love Himself as One not three.
I think it is a little dangerous to say the triune nature has to be because God is love, I also think this comes dangerously close to polytheism, three gods that love each other worries me.
F
Its not only not dangerous, it's one of the best defenses of the triune nature of God.
“'God is love' has no real meaning unless God contains at least two persons. Love is something that one person has for another. If God was a single Person, then before the world was made, He was not love. …What Christians mean by the statement that ‘God is love’ is that the living, dynamic activity of love has been going on in God forever and has created everything else.” C. S. Lewis
“'God is love' has no real meaning unless God contains at least two persons. Love is something that one person has for another. If God was a single Person, then before the world was made, He was not love. …What Christians mean by the statement that ‘God is love’ is that the living, dynamic activity of love has been going on in God forever and has created everything else.” C. S. Lewis
Good point. I would agree with that and offer another verse that I think could support that God is one Spirit who remains without father or mother beginning of days or end of Spirit life. .
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:1
Christ , the Holy anointing Spirit ...in the son of man the temporal corrupted flesh rejected all forms of worship.
That I believe helps us understand that from Job 9 .This is where God informs us he is not an man as us and neither is there any daysman as a fleshly mediator on earth hired as a umpire between man seen, and God not seen..
That would be the position the Pope is in. The Catholic in that way needs to usurp the authority of our father in heaven putting the Pope in the place of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
When suggested the son of man was good he would declare only God is good to show us the nature of the corrupted flesh he inherited for his mother which he declared could not profit. .
In reference above( Isaiah 53:1) in respect to ; “he hath no form":We are given the understanding in Hebrews of the eternal priesthood of the Son of God .
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
When Christ put on the flesh (that seen the temporal ) as the son of man he represented the Son of God (not seen the eternal )who has no form . It provided a one-time promised ( Isaiah 53:1) outward demonstration of an event that was performed from the foundation of the world..... The lamb of God slain for the sins of he calls the elect by, by and through His one faith. Because it was a promised demonstration.not the actul work which was finished from the foundation.and rested on the seventh as the eternal rest we do have in Christ.
When Christ left he gave us the information now that we are a new born creatures with a new “eternal spirit” and not new flesh and blood body which points the temporal. We are to know no man after the flesh. Neither after male or female Jew nor Gentile and even though some did know Christ according to the temporal flesh he would call them faithless because they were walking by sight in respect to the flesh..
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:16
What I find interesting is that in John 17 long before he performed the demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. This is when God was working those six days , he speaks of that finished work performed from the foundation of the world, again before the outward demonstration and before hand asks to return the invisible glory he had with him before he created the world .
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.I have glorified thee on the earth: I have “finished the work” which thou gavest me to do.And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee “before the world was”. Joh 17:1- 5
Again that prophecy in John 17 s before the promised outward demonstration of the work of His One Spirit.
The demonstration represented the finished spiritual unseen work... the flesh profited for nothing.
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:1
Christ , the Holy anointing Spirit ...in the son of man the temporal corrupted flesh rejected all forms of worship.
That I believe helps us understand that from Job 9 .This is where God informs us he is not an man as us and neither is there any daysman as a fleshly mediator on earth hired as a umpire between man seen, and God not seen..
That would be the position the Pope is in. The Catholic in that way needs to usurp the authority of our father in heaven putting the Pope in the place of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
When suggested the son of man was good he would declare only God is good to show us the nature of the corrupted flesh he inherited for his mother which he declared could not profit. .
In reference above( Isaiah 53:1) in respect to ; “he hath no form":We are given the understanding in Hebrews of the eternal priesthood of the Son of God .
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
When Christ put on the flesh (that seen the temporal ) as the son of man he represented the Son of God (not seen the eternal )who has no form . It provided a one-time promised ( Isaiah 53:1) outward demonstration of an event that was performed from the foundation of the world..... The lamb of God slain for the sins of he calls the elect by, by and through His one faith. Because it was a promised demonstration.not the actul work which was finished from the foundation.and rested on the seventh as the eternal rest we do have in Christ.
When Christ left he gave us the information now that we are a new born creatures with a new “eternal spirit” and not new flesh and blood body which points the temporal. We are to know no man after the flesh. Neither after male or female Jew nor Gentile and even though some did know Christ according to the temporal flesh he would call them faithless because they were walking by sight in respect to the flesh..
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:16
What I find interesting is that in John 17 long before he performed the demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. This is when God was working those six days , he speaks of that finished work performed from the foundation of the world, again before the outward demonstration and before hand asks to return the invisible glory he had with him before he created the world .
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.I have glorified thee on the earth: I have “finished the work” which thou gavest me to do.And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee “before the world was”. Joh 17:1- 5
Again that prophecy in John 17 s before the promised outward demonstration of the work of His One Spirit.
The demonstration represented the finished spiritual unseen work... the flesh profited for nothing.
Thx, but I have no idea who they are. Guess if I have time, I could search the net. I hope they came to agreement. The bible teaches there is one God, three persons. What's frustrating is how there always seems to be so much division over the things that God calls us, or used as examples, to be united in.
ALL have sinned : people argue.
Saved by God's grace : people argue
One Lord, one faith, one baptism : people argue
It's supposed to be One body, many MEMBERS, not many DIVISIONS, lol. Thx for the encouragement, I'll check those guys out when I can.
How are we at loggerheads.
You made emphatic statements regarding the Godhead, and stated God was NOT three persons, but offices or administrations.
Hard fast statements about God should be discussed in light of scripture, with the intent on all arriving at the truth.
You did not say, 'In my opinion' or 'this is what I think, but I'm open to learn and be corrected if I'm wrong, I want to know my Lord and Savior better, I want to know His truth so I don't mislead others'.
If you had that approach, I believe things would have gone a bit smoother.
But you made statements as if they were cold, hard facts, so you know they're apt to be investigated at least.
To just back off seems disingenuous on your part.
If you've changed your mind, or are considering it, there's no shame in that, in fact, we should all praise the Lord for each other when someone comes to something in scripture that enlightens their heart and mind and we can all share in and be edified by, or to rejoice FOR or WITH each other. That's great, we're all learning, and our desire should be to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus.
Most people here are pretty decent and want the best for each other, to God's glory, so don't take it personally if people challenge your statements about God/scripture if it can be shown by scripture and reason that those statements are incorrect.
And the question still stands about who or what God loved before He created anything.
Sometimes people are mistaken and need to be shown the truth to grow, there's no shame in that.
Sometimes people are deliberately antagonistic, or are false teachers, or gossips, not really interested in the truth, and after a while, they need to be exposed as morons, with the hopes they'll quit being stupid., because other people can get hurt by it.
What SHOULD be embarrassing is some christians being less offended by someone speaking falsehoods than they are by the one calling them out on it.
ALL have sinned : people argue.
Saved by God's grace : people argue
One Lord, one faith, one baptism : people argue
It's supposed to be One body, many MEMBERS, not many DIVISIONS, lol. Thx for the encouragement, I'll check those guys out when I can.
How are we at loggerheads.
You made emphatic statements regarding the Godhead, and stated God was NOT three persons, but offices or administrations.
Hard fast statements about God should be discussed in light of scripture, with the intent on all arriving at the truth.
You did not say, 'In my opinion' or 'this is what I think, but I'm open to learn and be corrected if I'm wrong, I want to know my Lord and Savior better, I want to know His truth so I don't mislead others'.
If you had that approach, I believe things would have gone a bit smoother.
But you made statements as if they were cold, hard facts, so you know they're apt to be investigated at least.
To just back off seems disingenuous on your part.
If you've changed your mind, or are considering it, there's no shame in that, in fact, we should all praise the Lord for each other when someone comes to something in scripture that enlightens their heart and mind and we can all share in and be edified by, or to rejoice FOR or WITH each other. That's great, we're all learning, and our desire should be to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus.
Most people here are pretty decent and want the best for each other, to God's glory, so don't take it personally if people challenge your statements about God/scripture if it can be shown by scripture and reason that those statements are incorrect.
And the question still stands about who or what God loved before He created anything.
Sometimes people are mistaken and need to be shown the truth to grow, there's no shame in that.
Sometimes people are deliberately antagonistic, or are false teachers, or gossips, not really interested in the truth, and after a while, they need to be exposed as morons, with the hopes they'll quit being stupid., because other people can get hurt by it.
What SHOULD be embarrassing is some christians being less offended by someone speaking falsehoods than they are by the one calling them out on it.
"Birdbrain" not very nice at all. 
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He even said on THIS thread that the mods don't like people discussing the trinity, that it goes against the sites policies and could be subject to banning, so what we're dealing with here is a dishonest little antagonist who's not interested in arriving at the truth, but likes to pose lofty but innocent sounding questions in order to stir up debate.
He's been doing it for some time, and often sneaks little digs in when few people are engaged, sometimes in off-hours, then pops back in when there's alot of chat going on, and acts like an innocent seeker.
There's a few on here like that, and they're practiced at it, so it's easy to miss. I try to start in good faith, but if I discern their nonsense, I call them on it.
On a few occasions I've been mistaken and have apologized, but I've also had times I THOUGHT I was mistaken, and later turns out I was right. Snakes slither for a reason, and I'm sorry if I seem harsh at times, but you have to look at the bigger picture and not just a post here or there that may seem harsh.
Remember, the devil's a sweettalker.
I'm not playing pattycakes for long with someone who's just trying to make a fool out of us.
If you read those particular posts and replies, you'd see there's hardly a way anyone could honestly come to the conclusion he did.
He delberately took a dishonest tactic and tried to be insulting with his little sarcasm, but I saw right through it, as anyone should have, so I called him the birdbrain that he was acting as, and if he continues to antagonize here, he'll continue to be a birdbrain, ... In fact, that's being polite.
God bless you today and I mean that.
R
Not offended by anything or Anyone on here we are having a discussion not a debate. God's infallible word stands forever. If we cannot agree then i see no need to keep talking any further. You can't convince me to see your way, or can I show you as well..no hard feelings with you or anyone here. Just how it is..Go to my Thread on Water Baptism see of we can come together there..God Bless
Why would 'one INDIVISIBLE spirit essence' need reconciling?
So. You have one office loving another office, that, what, love an administration or something?
How warm and loving does that sound?
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The person God the Father loves the person God the Son loves the person God the Holy Ghost.
Again, our finite minds have trouble grasping and explaining the Infinite Godhead, but we can see, through scripture and reason, what is taught.
Someone said God didn't need anyone to love before His creation, He just loved Himself.
Think very carefully about that.
He obviously is not dependent upon His creation to be who He is, so He always exists and is always love, before He created anything.
If He was just all by Himself, did He get bored with Himself, and so He created the universe and us, just to be His little playthings?
Or was there already a subject/object relationship within the Godhead, and the creation is His more of a display of the eternal love He has and is and gives amongst the persons of the Godhead, and now with us and His creation as well?
So. You have one office loving another office, that, what, love an administration or something?
How warm and loving does that sound?
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The person God the Father loves the person God the Son loves the person God the Holy Ghost.
Again, our finite minds have trouble grasping and explaining the Infinite Godhead, but we can see, through scripture and reason, what is taught.
Someone said God didn't need anyone to love before His creation, He just loved Himself.
Think very carefully about that.
He obviously is not dependent upon His creation to be who He is, so He always exists and is always love, before He created anything.
If He was just all by Himself, did He get bored with Himself, and so He created the universe and us, just to be His little playthings?
Or was there already a subject/object relationship within the Godhead, and the creation is His more of a display of the eternal love He has and is and gives amongst the persons of the Godhead, and now with us and His creation as well?
J
the conclusion would come from what we are talking about. the part you cut off. let me help you
John 17 20-21
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
in John 17 Jesus teaches we are all part of the family (IMO) and you tell me ui have a comprehension problem which im assuming means i am wrong.
you should try harder to follow the example of Jesus and not so much to be a smart mouth.
John 17 20-21
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
in John 17 Jesus teaches we are all part of the family (IMO) and you tell me ui have a comprehension problem which im assuming means i am wrong.
you should try harder to follow the example of Jesus and not so much to be a smart mouth.
Well, that's reasonable, but it actually IS a debate, but that's fine, I see no wrong in that, especially if the motive is to arrive at the truth and bring glory to God and edify each other and everyone. God bless a good debate to end with rejoicing in Jesus!
Let's not look at it as I want to convince you or others, or you want to covince us, but rather, we want God to show us His Truth through His Word and be convinced of Him together.
A thread on water baptism, eh?
That sounds new and exciting.
I don't think that topic's been discussed before.
Can't wait, lol.
Yes, that was obvious sarcasm...and be forewarned, if your stance is that 'water baptism is a necessary requirement for salvation...that without it a person is not saved', be prepared for an onslaught of debators entering the fray.
And, btw, you'd be wrong.
Let's not look at it as I want to convince you or others, or you want to covince us, but rather, we want God to show us His Truth through His Word and be convinced of Him together.
A thread on water baptism, eh?
That sounds new and exciting.
I don't think that topic's been discussed before.
Can't wait, lol.
Yes, that was obvious sarcasm...and be forewarned, if your stance is that 'water baptism is a necessary requirement for salvation...that without it a person is not saved', be prepared for an onslaught of debators entering the fray.
And, btw, you'd be wrong.