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I broached an interesting question a few posts back
guaranteed to either garner a knee jerk reaction and a chorus of whats?
or perhaps even a thoughtful response or two
here is the question again:
do people bring curses upon themselves ? Is it what they do that causes a curse to come about?
were Adam and Eve punished by God or did they suffer the consequences, already in effect, when one disobeys?
guaranteed to either garner a knee jerk reaction and a chorus of whats?
or perhaps even a thoughtful response or two
here is the question again:
do people bring curses upon themselves ? Is it what they do that causes a curse to come about?
were Adam and Eve punished by God or did they suffer the consequences, already in effect, when one disobeys?
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I think that both can be true. There were specific instances in the OT of prophets who prophesied of impending curses and destruction for certain wicked kings. God judged Ahab and his descendants because of his sin. There was a specific curse that he would have no male descendants left in his lineage.
Other times, I think we can be " cursed" in the sense that we reap devastating physical or earthly consequences for our sin. It may not be the result of a judgment from God, but the byproduct of committing certain sins. I think a good example is sexual immorality. A person may contract STD's from a promiscuous lifestyle.
Other times, I think we can be " cursed" in the sense that we reap devastating physical or earthly consequences for our sin. It may not be the result of a judgment from God, but the byproduct of committing certain sins. I think a good example is sexual immorality. A person may contract STD's from a promiscuous lifestyle.
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It is a belief that women are cursed not by God but by Satan. The belief is that since a women brought the messiah in to the world that Satan makes it a special effort to exploit women. Through pornography, being lesser than men almost as slaves in some cultures. Weak minded, expendable. It comes from genesis 3:15. It is said that Satan hates women more than men and he has declared to humiliate them the best he can.
This can be seen throughout history even before Christ. Showing that Satan knows scripture too.
This can be seen throughout history even before Christ. Showing that Satan knows scripture too.
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The whole of creation is under a curse due to the fall, that includes both
men and women. Weeds still come up, hard labour is needed to feed and clothe
ourselves, the earth brings forth weeds, pests, barren ground etc. Women still
have pain in childbirth etc.
Spiritually for those in Christ we are a new creation and no longer in condemnation,
but our physical bodies have not yet been renewed, that won't happen until we are
born into eternity and receive new eternal bodies. So while our spirit is being renewed
daily, our flesh is still growing older each day and decaying - death and decay is also part
of the curse.
men and women. Weeds still come up, hard labour is needed to feed and clothe
ourselves, the earth brings forth weeds, pests, barren ground etc. Women still
have pain in childbirth etc.
Spiritually for those in Christ we are a new creation and no longer in condemnation,
but our physical bodies have not yet been renewed, that won't happen until we are
born into eternity and receive new eternal bodies. So while our spirit is being renewed
daily, our flesh is still growing older each day and decaying - death and decay is also part
of the curse.
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My understanding is they were cut off from everlasting life so the would not live eternal in a sinful state.
[FONT="]2 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.[/FONT]
Is Jesus cursed? If not, neither am I. Because I was crucified with Christ and it's no longer I who live but Christ in me. 
Gal 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
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Well, yes and no. Adam and Eve were cut off from everlasting life because that was the consequence of their disobedience to God. God gave them complete freedom, except for this one tree. And they buggered up. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden because in a sinful state they couldn't be in the holy presence of God. But maybe they would have lived forever if they ate from the Tree of Life in a sinful state and so God kicking them out is a huge act of mercy (no possibility of them living for eternity and also no possibility of them destroying God's perfect garden paradise.
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Romans 5;9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Also,through eve sin entered. Through Mary,a woman,came the savior.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Also,through eve sin entered. Through Mary,a woman,came the savior.