atheists

[Starcrash]

its not a stereotype. its a fact. and its actually written even in the Bible, also. not worded the same, but ill leave it the way its worded to God.

and i dont consider christianity a religion at all. i see it more as a way of life and relationship, sacrifice.

Christianity is a religion by definition, whether or not you personally see it that way.

Furthermore, believing that something is true of a group (unless it is a necessary characteristic of belonging to that group) is also a stereotype by definition. It doesn't matter if "its actually written even in the bible", because atheists like myself don't believe that the bible is true. It's like if I quoted the Qur'an for a description of Christians... would that matter to you? Would you really care what a religion that you don't subscribe to thinks about your social group? Of course not.

And as I answered Huckleberry above, if you don't want all Christians to be lumped into a group based on someone's prejudice about how *all* Christians act or think, then you shouldn't do it yourself. That is "actually written even in the bible".

 

[Huckleberry]

For the record, I am an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism has to do with whether or not you feel that the "God question" can be answered. Being an agnostic and being an atheist are not mutually exclusive.

So then why aren't you hanging out at agnosticatheistchat.com?
I would never go into a forum of people who I have nothing in common with.
To do so and actively post makes you basically just a rabble-rouser. No?

 

[Imperfect]

Christianity is a religion by definition, whether or not you personally see it that way.

Furthermore, believing that something is true of a group (unless it is a necessary characteristic of belonging to that group) is also a stereotype by definition. It doesn't matter if "its actually written even in the bible", because atheists like myself don't believe that the bible is true. It's like if I quoted the Qur'an for a description of Christians... would that matter to you? Would you really care what a religion that you don't subscribe to thinks about your social group? Of course not.

And as I answered Huckleberry above, if you don't want all Christians to be lumped into a group based on someone's prejudice about how *all* Christians act or think, then you shouldn't do it yourself. That is "actually written even in the bible".

you see christianity as a religion because you are not of faith. you are a atheist.

so "by definition", atheism is your religion. do you consider yourself religious?

 

[Bryancampbell]

Starcrash, I don't think a person can easily be agnostic. I think they push themselves into believing it to not believe in anything beyond humans. You might be fully agnostic, but I'm sure thoughts against it arises in your mind and heart? I could be wrong but is it true? I'm just trying to see, I remember as a kid it was impossible but of course I was a kid...

 

[duewell]

So then why aren't you hanging out at agnosticatheistchat.com?
I would never go into a forum of people who I have nothing in common with.
To do so and actively post makes you basically just a rabble-rouser. No?

by this quote Jesus was a rabble-rouser. Jesus went anywhere to talk about God. even those places he had nothing in common with.

finding non believers in the world who want to talk is hard enough already, don't discourage those who are seeking us out to have a discussion. so long as they are civil and respectful we should treat them with peace and love. love the sinners, hate the sins.

duewell
mark 4 v 11-13

 

[Huckleberry]

by this quote Jesus was a rabble-rouser. Jesus went anywhere to talk about God. even those places he had nothing in common with.

finding non believers in the world who want to talk is hard enough already, don't discourage those who are seeking us out to have a discussion. so long as they are civil and respectful we should treat them with peace and love. love the sinners, hate the sins.

duewell
mark 4 v 11-13

Effectively rebuked!
*skulks off to bed*

 

[directline2iam]

No such person that ever existed on earth can be called an atheist. It doesn't exist.
You either accept Jesus the Christ died for the sins of every person that ever existed or you don't.
One thing the unaccepting can never prove in a million more years of scientific study and knowledge. That Jesus the Christ was never resurrected. They will never find one microscopic piece of evidence from the Lords human body that it rotted in a grave. The FACT that even the large Muslim world (though the majority of them don't ACCEPT Christ crucified) knows Jesus existed in person on the earth and was then and still is held by the accepting believer as the Christ. (Not to mention the non Christian Jewish world who also know this) and then adding in the whole body of Christian believers. Well, it Looks to me like all these unaccepting people really should take a closer look at scripture before it's too late. Because we Christians truly do love you and want you to be with us in the kingdom of God. Ask the Lord for strength to accept Him, He is a gracious and loving God.

 

[7seven7]

So then why aren't you hanging out at agnosticatheistchat.com?
I would never go into a forum of people who I have nothing in common with.
To do so and actively post makes you basically just a rabble-rouser. No?

actually, no. And Starcrash is making a heck of a lot of sense. Open your mind up a little to understand where he's coming from. He's not attacking you. He's just adding to a thread that talks about Athiests. Are Christians the only ones welcome on this site? If so, then thats not very Christian now, is it?

 

[7seven7]

Sometimes I wonder if people are ever gonna climb out of their shoe box and have a good look at the world. Then they might understand, as Christians, how to love everybody by understanding all these different walks of life. A true Christian should understand that we, so finite, can't know BY ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that God is real. We walk in faith. Our whole faith in God relies on BELIEVING, not knowing. We spend our lives searching. Just like how Athiests don't know for certain that He doesn't exist. Christ built His Church on the ROCK FOUNDATION OF FAITH!!! When we think we know it all, then I think we're in trouble. Don't go throwing your ideas at non-believers by patronising them lol That's just ignorance at it's best. I used to HATE that about a lot of Christians before I became one. If not for my little experience, then that attitude is the one thing that deterred me from being a believer. Peace!

 

[CoooCaw]

From where I stand CoooCaw it is only an element within the conservative Christian movement that rejects evolution, so I am not surprised you make this claim. Bryan asked why evolution is referred to by scientists as a theory if it is not an established fact. The fact is scientists see it as an established fact, that is why they call it a theory.

That is simply NOTTRUE

many take evolution on blind faith;

the irrational dogma of evolutionism in no way QUALIFIES as a theory or as fact and ANY NUMBER of scientists acknowlege this

 

[CoooCaw]

So then why aren't you hanging out at agnosticatheistchat.com?
I would never go into a forum of people who I have nothing in common with.
To do so and actively post makes you basically just a rabble-rouser. No?

A Gnosis = no knowlege = dont know (there is a god)
A Theist = no god = (do know there is) NO god

total and utter contradiction ; you wanna see it using symbolic logic??????

I have a video where, within seconds, steven Hawking makes three statements.....

1. There is no god
2. The universe is marvellously designed (by who??????????????)
3. I am very grateful for that(to whom??????????)

The simple truth is that it is the creator who gave us the language and the logic you fools then try to use to prove the creator does not exist


“Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”

― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

 

[directline2iam]

Sometimes I wonder if people are ever gonna climb out of their shoe box and have a good look at the world. Then they might understand, as Christians, how to love everybody by understanding all these different walks of life. A true Christian should understand that we, so finite, can't know BY ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that God is real. We walk in faith. Our whole faith in God relies on BELIEVING, not knowing. We spend our lives searching. Just like how Athiests don't know for certain that He doesn't exist. Christ built His Church on the ROCK FOUNDATION OF FAITH!!! When we think we know it all, then I think we're in trouble. Don't go throwing your ideas at non-believers by patronising them lol That's just ignorance at it's best. I used to HATE that about a lot of Christians before I became one. If not for my little experience, then that attitude is the one thing that deterred me from being a believer. Peace!

I think you might want to crawl back into your shoe box, I for one Know for CERTAIN that God exists. What bible do you read? The Apostles met Jesus who is God and Showed them. Does God need to hit you in the head with a brick before you'll know for certain?

 

[7seven7]

I think you might want to crawl back into your shoe box, I for one Know for CERTAIN that God exists. What bible do you read? The Apostles met Jesus who is God and Showed them. Does God need to hit you in the head with a brick before you'll know for certain?

You are right. The Apostles met Jesus who is God and showed them. They told us this and I BELIEVE them. I wasn't there, and neither were you. We don't know, but we TRULY BELIEVE! I BELIEVE everything the Bible tells me. My faith leads me to BELIEVE all this through an experience I had with Christ. And about the shoe box thing, I meant people need to get out of their secure, self righteous little worlds and understand why others believe what they do, instead of ridiculing them. Because until people do that, then they won't know where to start in sharing the revelation that God gave us in a way that non-believers will understand. We're all adults here. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Cycel]

atheists make me sick. sick with emphasis.

Imperfect, in particular what is it about us that makes you want to vomit?

 

[Cycel]

i saw somewhere on the news The pope was telling the atheists, it is OK to be an atheist just be Nice to people or something like that.. what an abomination

Sometimes people are misquoted. I don't know, but that doesn't sound like anything a Pope would say.

The following is a quote from Pope Francis:
"I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize, or convert the atheist; I respect him and I show myself as I am. Where there is knowledge, there begins to appear esteem, affection, and friendship. I do not have any type of reluctance, nor would I say that his life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right to make a judgment about the honesty of that person; even less, if he shows me those human virtues that exalt others and do me good."

The Pope seems to be saying that if the atheist offers respect and friendship he gives the same back. He also seems to reflect Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged." There's more. He doesn't say it is okay to be an atheist. He says he will offer respect and not judge.

He goes on to say: "As I am a believer, I know that these riches are a gift from God. I also know that the other person, the atheist, does not know that." So he does not say it is okay to be an atheist. He says the atheist lacks the understanding of the believer.

 

[Grey]

atheists make me sick. sick with emphasis.

sick with mental freedom

 

[Cycel]

The Huckleberry Perspective:
Atheism/Evolutionism is an intellectual hiding place from God.
They are like a small child who covers his eyes and thinks you can't see him.

You write as if you think that only atheists accept evolution. See Francis Collins book, The Language of God. He is an evangelical Christian, is perhaps America's leading geneticist, and fully accepts evolution. He is not alone.

 

[Cycel]

From where I stand CoooCaw it is only an element within the conservative Christian movement that rejects evolution, so I am not surprised you make this claim. Bryan asked why evolution is referred to by scientists as a theory if it is not an established fact. The fact is scientists see it as an established fact, that is why they call it a theory.

That is simply NOTTRUE

many take evolution on blind faith;

the irrational dogma of evolutionism in no way QUALIFIES as a theory or as fact and ANY NUMBER of scientists acknowlege this

Rhetoric.

Have a look at Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters, by Donald Prothero.

The case for evolution is simply overwhelming. If you prefer a shorter book and one written by a Christian then have a look at Francis Collins, The Language of God.

 

[Cycel]

Christianity is a religion by definition, whether or not you personally see it that way.
Furthermore, believing that something is true of a group (unless it is a necessary characteristic of belonging to that group) is also a stereotype by definition. It doesn't matter if "its actually written even in the bible", because atheists like myself don't believe that the bible is true....

Starcrash, I have been reading your posts and find myself agreeing with most everything you say. However, though I do not believe in God that does not mean that I think the literature contained within the Bible is completely false. I think there are still truths to be gleaned.

 

[Cycel]

Starcrash, I don't think a person can easily be agnostic...

I would tend to agree. Have you read the God Delusion? Dawkins describes agnostics as being "completely impartial" as to "God’s existence and non-existence" (p. 100). The probability of God's existence or non-existence in the mind of the agnostic, he says, is "exactly equiprobable."

I would think that this is a difficult bridge to hold. The moment one leans a bit to one side or the other one begins to slide into either the theistic or atheistic camp, or so it would seem to me.