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It's interesting that some forms of Christianity have particular versions that they deem to be the official. E.g. (If I understand correctly), the RCC considers the Latin Vulgate to be the official version of the Bible.
 
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HealthAndHappiness

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How many of you use the kjv
You will probably be interested in the history of the King James Bible. Sorry you have to sign in as "age restricted". Google/ YouTube has done this to scrub the platform of "community guidelines aka Subversive Materials" like the Bible. This took a while to find because they banned the other channels that had this documentary.

 

ResidentAlien

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You will probably be interested in the history of the King James Bible. Sorry you have to sign in as "age restricted". Google/ YouTube has done this to scrub the platform of "community guidelines aka Subversive Materials" like the Bible. This took a while to find because they banned the other channels that had this documentary.

This video is made by a couple of KJVO guys; Steven Anerson is one of them. It's called New World Order Bible Versions. It's not a good history of the KJV. It's mostly an "exposé" of modern translations.
 
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It can be difficult to differentiate between acquaintances that are wheat and those that are tares.

We know what is on the inside for our own substance. We know our own yearning for God and salvation. But it can be an intentionally laid mystery for what the nature and truth is within others around us.

I can tell you that I have been filled with the Holy Spirit. I can tell you that I was baptized unto salvation in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. But mortal words alone aren't going to meet the standard of evidence for many. We are all passing messages in bottles back and forth perhaps with a vain hope that our handwriting speaks clearly to the nature of our character. We are only left with faith and love in our hearts to create a semblant reflection of the people we assume we are talking to.

Strange shadows can be cast on the walls, and strange looking handwriting can make some wonder about the nature of the writer.

I believe that since we are instructed to cast off evil appearances (cf. 1 Thes 5:22), that it is possible for a good person to appear evil, even unintentionally. The writing in the bottle may be misunderstood.

Clearly there were believers prior to KJV, therefore the substance precedes the form. The substance transcends the form. A non-English speaker could read a non-KJV Bible and come to the correct understanding by substance independent of the form. Do you disagree?
 

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This video is made by a couple of KJVO guys; Steven Anerson is one of them. It's called New World Order Bible Versions. It's not a good history of the KJV. It's mostly an "exposé" of modern translations.
Anderson and some other pastors were featured, but it was Paul Wittenburger who made it.

I've listened to many videos and read a large handful of books on the subject.

Just go to the 28 minute mark and you'll be able to listen to a VERY good interview on the history of the King James Bible.

 
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I can tell you that I have been filled with the Holy Spirit.
Praise the LORD! Did you speak with tongues, and magnify God? This will happen to all that are baptized with the Holy Ghost.

I can tell you that I was baptized unto salvation in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
I have also been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Do you know that name? For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 

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Anderson and some other pastors were featured, but it was Paul Wittenburger who made it.

I've listened to many videos and read a large handful of books on the subject.

Just go to the 28 minute mark and you'll be able to listen to a VERY good interview on the history of the King James Bible.
Yes, it does contain some history of the lineage of the KJV but it only scratches the surface really. It's interesting for what it is but I'm more interested in the process of the creation of the KJV itself. It's not a scholarly history of the creation of the KJV but a case for its infallibility.

 
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Why would you assume everyone would speak in tongues? There are different gifts according to the grace that is given:

"For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness." - Rom 12:4-8 KJV
 

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What an utterly moronic claim. Paul didn't use it. Luther didn't use it. No Christian prior to 1611 used it. Christians who don't read English don't use it. Most Christians who do read English don't use it. Only among KJVo cultists is such tripe actually believed.
Real KJVo ______ does not believe this either so I think this is barking at the wrong tree.
 

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How many of you use the kjv
I've used it as my "Main Squeeze" for about 73 years. I've also read the Living (original), the Amplified, a good portion of the New World.

Bottom line: The Bible is the Bible, and they all say the same thing. "Theologians" create confusion, and division, and it's the HOLY SPIRIT who brings TRUTH, and proper interpretation / Wisdom to whomever seeks it with a Single mind.
 
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Why would you assume everyone would speak in tongues?
Sir, I do not "assume" this. Because it is written, he that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. I know that all men who are endued with power from on high will speak with tongues, and magnify God. Because it is written, these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover, saith the Lord. And the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.

There are different gifts according to the grace that is given:

"For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness." - Rom 12:4-8 KJV
Yes, sir. Christians have gifts differing according to the grace that is given to them. For the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. The epistle of Romans is not written to those who are aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise. It is written to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints. Saints are righteous men and women who have been buried with him in baptism, wherein also they are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And they, being dead in their sins and the uncircumcision of their flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven them all trespasses.

One can therefore not take an epistle written by a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, to the whole family in heaven and earth; and then apply it to himself, being by nature a child of wrath. For if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Having said all of this, you have yet to answer my question. I have been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Do you know that name? For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 

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How many of you use the kjv
Yes, it is one of about 7 Bibles I may use. But this is not the important question.

Which Bible do you believe is the most accurate translation and most faithful to the writers intent? The King James, American Standard Bible, the New American Standard Bible, the Revised Standard Bible, the Interlinear Greek New Testament, the New International Version or something else?