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rstrats

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Where in the Bible say Mary able to hear billion catholic request pray every day...
A billion a day may be a bet much, but around the globe, there are probably at least a few hundred prayers being directed to Mary at any given moment. How do you suppose she is able to handle them all at once in order to advocate for each one of them? And of course they just keep coming non-stop 24/7.
 

rstrats

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Jesus never exalted Mary above the Apostles.
Not only that, but as far as scripture is concerned, there are only 3 times mentioned where the Messiah spoke to Mary. And He seemed to be a bit perturbed with her 2 of those times. The 3rd time He merely told her to look at her son. He never addressed her as mother but only as woman. Although He did know of the word when He told the disciple at the cross to look at his (the disciple's) mother.

Also, He only spoke 2 times with regard to what someone said about her and again His responses couldn't be considered very flattering.

There just never seemed to be any warmth shown between them.
 

rstrats

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We never hear of Mary again after the fulifillment of the Gospel.
Correct, other than Galations 4:4 saying that the Messiah was born of a woman, none of the epistle writers ever mention her in any of their letters including the one to the church at Rome and the two by Peter. I wonder why they were not inspired by the Holy Spirit to include any of the Church's dogmas regarding Mary if she is intended to be such a vital part of the Roman/Latin Rite Catholic practicing theology?
 

rstrats

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You have no answer because if Mary offered two turtle doves for her sins it shows she was not immaculately conceived.
Right, to what sins are being atoned?
 

Evmur

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Not if that person is aliveand on this earth. If anything they are ...born again...with hopes and faith of salvation upon judgement by God.
If you are not saved how can show others the way to salvation? you will be like a blind man leading the blind.

Paul said to those in his churches "ye are saved"
 

Evmur

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Do you know that there are many Christians cutting across all denominations that do not know much about scripture? Same way, I believe there are people who call themselves RCC members, who do not know or understand the teachings of the Church. From what I have seen you post here, it seems to me that perhaps, you fall under this group when you were their member. Some in this group strive to know, even when they stopped being members, others run with what they have imagined in their thought to be the doctrine and practices of the Church whilst basing their judgment on perceptions or appearances alone. They end up misrepresenting or even maligning the Church.

Whose truth? Truth according to whose interpretation of the bible? Some school of Thoughts have said, which I agree with, that if the Reformists or is it Reformers were right, there would have been only two Christian denominations. Today the proliferation of denominations reveals how wrong these reformers were. Today, everyone has a different interpretation and run with it as the truth of the gospel just like in the church of Corinthians of old. (1 Corinthians 14:26).

Thank God, the holy Spirit guides the saints today and God knows who are his. These people of God cut across all denominations, and even all religions. It is not by appearance as we know God judges the heart.
The RCC is riven through with divisions ... no wonder they do not talk to each other much. There are conservatives and liberals, traditionalists and charismatics, feminists and not so much, advocates for and against celibacy just to name a few.

The only thing that holds them together is the doctrine of infallibility, but they do not obey the Pope, they all use birth control and the women get abortions.
 

Dino246

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Thank God, the holy Spirit guides the saints today and God knows who are his. These people of God cut across all denominations, and even all religions. It is not by appearance as we know God judges the heart.
Um, no. “No-one comes to the Father, but by Me.” People who embrace other religions necessarily reject the exclusivity of Christ.
 

Ahwatukee

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But the scripture called Abraham righteous when it was shown that no one was righteous, not even a single person. Have you wondered why? If Abraham could be held righteous under such condition you mentioned, why would Mary, the mother of our Lord and savior not be held righteous too when God confirmed her to be full of God's grace?

When Solomon took over the throne of his father David, do you think his mother (the queen mother) called him by other name in public other than King? Mary calling him Lord shows her tremendous spirit of wisdom and humility.

For the other issues you raised, I think they have been adequately addressed in previous posts either by @authorfleminger or @infinitecontrol
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God, i.e. he had faith. It is this same faith in Jesus Christ that we are credited with righteousness. Through faith, the believer is credited with the righteousness of Christ. He is representing the believer before God the Father.

God used Mary to bring Christ into the world, representing us in the flesh, except without sin.

Mary should no be prayed to, nor can she forgive sins. She is a believer just as we are. Nowhere in scripture are we ever told to pray to her, nor ask for forgiveness. She was a blessed woman used of God and who also needed a savior. It is Jesus who shed His blood in payment for sin, by which we are saved.
 

Jackson123

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I believe if people pray to Mary the spirit of the devil will pretend to be Mary answer them. I know a lady said Mary talk to her when she fast and pray to Mary.
Devil can pretend to be Mary and lie to her.
 

arthurfleminger

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I believe if people pray to Mary the spirit of the devil will pretend to be Mary answer them. I know a lady said Mary talk to her when she fast and pray to Mary.
Devil can pretend to be Mary and lie to her.
Since you are a believer in Sola Scriptura, the Bible only, where does it say anything about your idea as posted above, in the Bible?
 

Dino246

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Since you are a believer in Sola Scriptura, the Bible only, where does it say anything about your idea as posted above, in the Bible?
That's a strawman fallacy. You are misrepresenting the concept of sola Scriptura.
 

arthurfleminger

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That's a strawman fallacy. You are misrepresenting the concept of sola Scriptura.
I'm not misrepresenting the concept of Sola Scriptura. You profess that Scripture alone is the Sole authority for truth. So, if you post your thoughts on anything concerning your opinions on God's ways, I feel it completely appropriate that I ask how your ideas fit in with Sola Scriptura. So, explain how they do? Thanks.
 

Dino246

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You profess that Scripture alone is the Sole authority for truth.
Actually, I have not made that profession. Perhaps you should check who is claiming what.

What I do believe is that Scripture is the final authority, not the sole authority. Other truth claims are subject to Scripture, and where they contradict, I take Scripture over the other source. I am well aware that truth is found outside of Scripture, but there is no truth outside of Scripture that contradicts the truth in Scripture. The Catholic entity teaches otherwise.
 

Magenta

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Since you are a believer in Sola Scriptura, the Bible only, where does it say anything about your idea as posted above, in the Bible?
Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.