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Interesting list.
Salvation without a doubt since the Holy Spirit is an essential part in effecting the new birth in concert with the word of God.
Healing is a bit more questionable since you may be referring to physical healing and not healing the soul of sin. Not all are healed physically but all must have the mortal wound of sin erased.
Church growth is a bit more questionable. Physical church growth can be accomplished in the strength of men and charismatic persons. Real church is invisible and solely the province of Christ. Christ is building His church and the gates of hades cannot prevail against it.
Glory to God. All things and people glorify God. Some by obedience and others in their destruction.
Edifying. Done through the word of God the Holy Spirit edifies and comforts as we endure tribulation and afflictions in the name of our Savior.
This is what happened in Acts and is happening to this day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Salvation without a doubt since the Holy Spirit is an essential part in effecting the new birth in concert with the word of God.
Healing is a bit more questionable since you may be referring to physical healing and not healing the soul of sin. Not all are healed physically but all must have the mortal wound of sin erased.
Church growth is a bit more questionable. Physical church growth can be accomplished in the strength of men and charismatic persons. Real church is invisible and solely the province of Christ. Christ is building His church and the gates of hades cannot prevail against it.
Glory to God. All things and people glorify God. Some by obedience and others in their destruction.
Edifying. Done through the word of God the Holy Spirit edifies and comforts as we endure tribulation and afflictions in the name of our Savior.
This is what happened in Acts and is happening to this day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm loathe to get in the middle of this thing, but I think a few things need to be said.
A good while back you said something along the lines to me of "I know you don't like me, so I don't care what you say". What I didn't like is that you indeed were constantly threatening people with some form of admin punishment, and worse, publicly. Some may have deserved it, but most just found themselves on an opposing side of an issue. Things get a little heated, and BAM!! The threat ensued. Not that it means much, but I actually DO like you. You have made me think in ways I may not have, and I thank you for that.
For whatever reason, you went away for a span. When you came back, for a long time, it looked like you were able to engage without the threats. That's when your thoughts really carried weight, and got interesting. Alas, it seems the old patterns have reemerged.
For instance, DC didn't call you a spade in the negative sense. He used a very common idiom. Not sure how you could have not known that.
Obviously just my own thoughts here, but it seems to me to be a little inappropriate for a mod, with ban powers to be so deeply engaged in such volatile topics. I don't see how a person can remain fair and unbiased. And that is nothing against you. I would feel the same whether a mod was on my side of an issue as well.
A good while back you said something along the lines to me of "I know you don't like me, so I don't care what you say". What I didn't like is that you indeed were constantly threatening people with some form of admin punishment, and worse, publicly. Some may have deserved it, but most just found themselves on an opposing side of an issue. Things get a little heated, and BAM!! The threat ensued. Not that it means much, but I actually DO like you. You have made me think in ways I may not have, and I thank you for that.
For whatever reason, you went away for a span. When you came back, for a long time, it looked like you were able to engage without the threats. That's when your thoughts really carried weight, and got interesting. Alas, it seems the old patterns have reemerged.
For instance, DC didn't call you a spade in the negative sense. He used a very common idiom. Not sure how you could have not known that.
Obviously just my own thoughts here, but it seems to me to be a little inappropriate for a mod, with ban powers to be so deeply engaged in such volatile topics. I don't see how a person can remain fair and unbiased. And that is nothing against you. I would feel the same whether a mod was on my side of an issue as well.
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Its your message that is the issue, and your slander against others. (Saying we promote sin-fullness and decry obedience)
As for what mailmandad was saying, He and a few others seem to think you are a formerly banned member who once again is coming in under another name I can not says one way or the other.
As you say, God is judge. And if you are. The admin will judge,
If you are not then nothing to worry about.
As for what mailmandad was saying, He and a few others seem to think you are a formerly banned member who once again is coming in under another name I can not says one way or the other.
As you say, God is judge. And if you are. The admin will judge,
If you are not then nothing to worry about.
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Yes I understand those terms.
I believe in the pardoning grace of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who has blotted out my sins in the sea of his forgetfulness. I do not believe I have the rightessness of Christ (sounds like sinless perfection to me) but am a sinner saved by grace.
I have the same view as Spurgeon who was "at a conference where a preacher taught perfectionism in an outspoken manner and even claimed to have reached a state of sinless perfection himself. Spurgeon didn’t challenge him on the spot. Instead, the next morning he poured a pitcher of milk over the man’s head, to which the ‘perfectionist’ responded with the kind of rage and hostility that you’d expect from any sinner. Perfectionism debunked."
https://au.thegospelcoalition.org/article/godly-heresy-sinless-perfectionism/
However people describe salvation it is still only the first step in the Christians life, otherwise we would be seeing signs and wonders similar to Christ. Perhaps Jesus refrained from imputing those gifts to people who are still on the milk. I feel God has greater gifts to offer those who seek them.
I believe in the pardoning grace of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who has blotted out my sins in the sea of his forgetfulness. I do not believe I have the rightessness of Christ (sounds like sinless perfection to me) but am a sinner saved by grace.
I have the same view as Spurgeon who was "at a conference where a preacher taught perfectionism in an outspoken manner and even claimed to have reached a state of sinless perfection himself. Spurgeon didn’t challenge him on the spot. Instead, the next morning he poured a pitcher of milk over the man’s head, to which the ‘perfectionist’ responded with the kind of rage and hostility that you’d expect from any sinner. Perfectionism debunked."
https://au.thegospelcoalition.org/article/godly-heresy-sinless-perfectionism/
However people describe salvation it is still only the first step in the Christians life, otherwise we would be seeing signs and wonders similar to Christ. Perhaps Jesus refrained from imputing those gifts to people who are still on the milk. I feel God has greater gifts to offer those who seek them.
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This is confusing
You say Jesus has blotted your sins out. Yet you do not believe you have the righteousness of Christ?
Either your sins are forgiven, and you are perfect “IN HIM”
Or your still in your sin, Which means you are in a state of condemnation.
I do not think you understand positional righteosness, which is found in Christ
And conditional righteousness, Which is our status at any given moment.
You say Jesus has blotted your sins out. Yet you do not believe you have the righteousness of Christ?
Either your sins are forgiven, and you are perfect “IN HIM”
Or your still in your sin, Which means you are in a state of condemnation.
I do not think you understand positional righteosness, which is found in Christ
And conditional righteousness, Which is our status at any given moment.
Jesus said "my sheep hear/know my voice"
Knowing Jesus,fellowshipping with Him,spending time with Him,and walking in faith.
Ironically those with a mental,doctrinal MINDSET can not/will not, venture into intimacy with Jesus,and tirelessly plead with the wise virgins to stop that oil foolishness. It is the IRONY OF IRONIES.
Intimacy oil,and truth is reserved for the bride.
The bride has oil. The bride in mat 25 goes into the marrige chamber. The door is not left open. It is is immediately shut.
While the foolish scramble for oil (Holy Spirit) it becomes too late.
Get it now.
Get it,or get left out.
If you are afraid the devil will imitate Jesus and you can be deceived by this false Jesus and he can decieve you while you seek heaven,then you never read where Jesus takes the time to show you THAT CAN NOT HAPPEN.
Show me anyplace where that happened.
Show me paul or anyone in the NT laying hands on anyone to recieve the second blessing and the devil steps in,pushes God aside, and posseses that person.
Can't happen.
I know from experience.
See,you guys got an insurmountable problem.
You are trying to convince John.after patmos,that God dont do that vision or translation stuff anymore.
Knowing Jesus,fellowshipping with Him,spending time with Him,and walking in faith.
Ironically those with a mental,doctrinal MINDSET can not/will not, venture into intimacy with Jesus,and tirelessly plead with the wise virgins to stop that oil foolishness. It is the IRONY OF IRONIES.
Intimacy oil,and truth is reserved for the bride.
The bride has oil. The bride in mat 25 goes into the marrige chamber. The door is not left open. It is is immediately shut.
While the foolish scramble for oil (Holy Spirit) it becomes too late.
Get it now.
Get it,or get left out.
If you are afraid the devil will imitate Jesus and you can be deceived by this false Jesus and he can decieve you while you seek heaven,then you never read where Jesus takes the time to show you THAT CAN NOT HAPPEN.
Show me anyplace where that happened.
Show me paul or anyone in the NT laying hands on anyone to recieve the second blessing and the devil steps in,pushes God aside, and posseses that person.
Can't happen.
I know from experience.
See,you guys got an insurmountable problem.
You are trying to convince John.after patmos,that God dont do that vision or translation stuff anymore.
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Yes
Thats why unless you have Jesus righteousness applied to your account, Your dead in your sin.
Remember the Animal which was sacrificed he became sin for the sinner so his righteousness could be passed on to the sinner (a replacement or substitute)
As paul said, he who knew no sin was made sin for us that we may become the “righteousness of Christ” in him.
It is not my righteousness which makes me perfect. My righteousness makes me guilty, It is Christ’s righteousness. ,
Thats why unless you have Jesus righteousness applied to your account, Your dead in your sin.
Remember the Animal which was sacrificed he became sin for the sinner so his righteousness could be passed on to the sinner (a replacement or substitute)
As paul said, he who knew no sin was made sin for us that we may become the “righteousness of Christ” in him.
It is not my righteousness which makes me perfect. My righteousness makes me guilty, It is Christ’s righteousness. ,
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BINGO
You just framed your walk as an "account"
No intimate,personal one on one walk with Jesus.
Get the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Jesus encouraged it.
You will never be the same.
No devil can stop it or make some fake Jesus appear in the midst of your quest.
You think some tavern has people praising God,and healing the sick,and worshipping in tongues?
People in these last days are more afraid of the Holy Spirit than the antichrist himself
" what if the devil steps on Jesus and invades my walk"
"What if the devil answers my prayer"
"What if the devil took John to heaven and that guy with the holes in his hands is a fake"
You just framed your walk as an "account"
No intimate,personal one on one walk with Jesus.
Get the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Jesus encouraged it.
You will never be the same.
No devil can stop it or make some fake Jesus appear in the midst of your quest.
You think some tavern has people praising God,and healing the sick,and worshipping in tongues?
People in these last days are more afraid of the Holy Spirit than the antichrist himself
" what if the devil steps on Jesus and invades my walk"
"What if the devil answers my prayer"
"What if the devil took John to heaven and that guy with the holes in his hands is a fake"
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