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ForestGreenCook

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God provided the opportunity for me to hear the Gospel, hearing it touched my heart, I contemplated and believed.
Yes he did provide the opportunity for you to hear the gospel by quickening you to a new spiritual life so that you could discern the things of the Spirit Eph 2, unlike, when you were just a natural man (1 Cor 2:14) unable to discern the things of the Spirit, thinking them to be foolishness.
 
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What the scripture implies, by the wording of it, is what you have bolded. John 6:39, And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, THAT OF ALL WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up again at the last day.

Will Jesus raise all which God has given him up at the last day? Answer yes, or no.

Did God give him all of mankind? Answer yes, or no.

If both of your answers are "yes" then that proves your bolded phrase.
Dying for the sins of the world does not mean that all of mankind is given to Jesus.

Secondly, you are taking this out of context of the entire section.... and by the way... "chosen" does not always mean the selected to salvation predetermined by God by irresistible grace and denied to others.

John 6:72, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
 
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Yes he did provide the opportunity for you to hear the gospel by quickening you to a new spiritual life so that you could discern the things of the Spirit Eph 2, unlike, when you were just a natural man (1 Cor 2:14) unable to discern the things of the Spirit, thinking them to be foolishness.
Why would God offer that to me but not my next door neighbor? Where’s the love in that?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Sorry Forest, I respect you but you’re grossly incorrect. We will agree to disagree and keep one another lifted in prayer. Blessings.
Thank you for that statement Duskey, I respect you too. Seems like I get very little respect from most on this forum, but Christ has assured me that that would be the way it goes, as it did with him when he was preaching it. I have a broader scope of how many will be in heaven than probably anyone on this forum, and surely believe that you are probably one of them. I think the doctrine that I have been shown through the revelation of the Holy Spirit within me is the most comforting and peace giving doctrines there is because I believe it to be the doctrine that Jesus taught. I struggled with by beliefs until I was 62 years old, and that was 23 years ago. My prayer to God is that he would reveal his doctrine to many more people than he does, but that just does not seem, in my feeble understanding, to be his will. I wish you well in your studies of the scriptures, and who knows, maybe God will open up more insights to you.
 
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Thank you for that statement Duskey, I respect you too. Seems like I get very little respect from most on this forum, but Christ has assured me that that would be the way it goes, as it did with him when he was preaching it. I have a broader scope of how many will be in heaven than probably anyone on this forum, and surely believe that you are probably one of them. I think the doctrine that I have been shown through the revelation of the Holy Spirit within me is the most comforting and peace giving doctrines there is because I believe it to be the doctrine that Jesus taught. I struggled with by beliefs until I was 62 years old, and that was 23 years ago. My prayer to God is that he would reveal his doctrine to many more people than he does, but that just does not seem, in my feeble understanding, to be his will. I wish you well in your studies of the scriptures, and who knows, maybe God will open up more insights to you.
You’re 85 years young? I knew there was a reason I respected you, and now there’s another one; I respect my elders. Thanks for keeping the peace with me. I look forward to our respectfully sharing with one another. 😎
 

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We can love each other, and still discuss our differences. We are instructed to teach regenerated babes in Christ the knowledge of the gospel of Christ, telling us to feed his sheep.


but if we don't really know the truth ourselves completely we should be careful not to overdo our 'teachings' lest we fall under condemnation for teaching any falsehoods.


1 Corinthians 13:12

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

King James Version (KJV)


James 1:19
Good News Translation
Remember this, my dear friends! Everyone must be quick to listen, but s l o w to speak and s l o w to become angry.


James 3
Christian Standard Bible Par ▾
Controlling the Tongue
3 Not many should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we will receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many ways.
 
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EleventhHour

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Same as always, afraid to use scripture with your derogatory remarks.
Scripture will never convince you, I know this full well, you are immersed in a dogma that denies context, all you can see is affirmation of what you already believe.

The scripture clearly and irrefutably denies limited atonement and irresistible grace.

I have studied the cult of this dogma for a long time, I know how you draw people into your territory but will not respond to what refutes your belief

If "many" means many then... does "all" mean all?

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5
 

ForestGreenCook

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Dying for the sins of the world does not mean that all of mankind is given to Jesus.

Secondly, you are taking this out of context of the entire section.... and by the way... "chosen" does not always mean the selected to salvation predetermined by God by irresistible grace and denied to others.

John 6:72, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
Who Christ died for are only those that God gave him. You are taking the word "world" out of context in John 3:16, which is the world of believers, not all mankind, if harmonized with the other scriptures.

You claim that the scriptures say that God loves all of mankind, but the scriptures say that whom God loves, he chastens. There are some that he does not chasten according to the harmonizing scriptures; Ps 73:5, Speaking of the wicked; they are not in trouble like other men, neither are they "plagued" (divinely punished) like other men. Rom 9:11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calleth. verse 13, as it is written, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. 1 John 2:15, Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world, lf any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 14:17, Even the Spirit of truth, in whom the world cannot receive.
 

ForestGreenCook

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but if we don't really know the truth ourselves completely we should be careful not to overdo our 'teachings' lest we fall under condemnation for teaching any falsehoods.


1 Corinthians 13:12

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

King James Version (KJV)


James 1:19
Good News Translation
Remember this, my dear friends! Everyone must be quick to listen, but s l o w to speak and s l o w to become angry.


James 3
Christian Standard Bible Par ▾
Controlling the Tongue
3 Not many should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we will receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many ways.
That is why scripture proves scripture and they must all harmonize.
 
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Who Christ died for are only those that God gave him. You are taking the word "world" out of context in John 3:16, which is the world of believers, not all mankind, if harmonized with the other scriptures.

You claim that the scriptures say that God loves all of mankind, but the scriptures say that whom God loves, he chastens. There are some that he does not chasten according to the harmonizing scriptures; Ps 73:5, Speaking of the wicked; they are not in trouble like other men, neither are they "plagued" (divinely punished) like other men. Rom 9:11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calleth. verse 13, as it is written, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. 1 John 2:15, Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world, lf any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 14:17, Even the Spirit of truth, in whom the world cannot receive.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

While "world" should be read in context, there is nothing in the verse that would require one to read it as "World of the Elect" unless one has pre-suppositions that need to be fitted into the verse.

In context it means exactly that the "world"

The comparison is made to the Israelite being told to look at the bronze snake. (John 3: 14-16)

The invitation went to all and those that looked lived.
The "world" >>>> all sinners are given the invitation... by analogy.

So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived. (Numbers 21)

Yeah we have all been bitten by sin

No limited atonement here.
 
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Now isn't that just something..... telling you to harmonize scripture, when they deny context and redefine words creating huge disharmony.

I have been very impressed (in not a good way) by how Calvinism and context never, EVER go together and people believe it, even still.
Amen....Jim Jones got 909 people at "Jonestown" to drink cyanide laced kool aid under the banner of "Revolutionary Suicide" and how many people worship Rev. Moon......cults appeal to people because they tell them and reinforce some superiority complex....Look at the SS and Waffen SS under Hitler and Himler......that is what makes cults so dangerous....they appeal to the flesh, brain wash, coddle, constantly skew history or facts and lead every one of their converts to their own demise in the end..........and the inference is clear when Calvinism is viewed under the microscope and based upon all evidences.....!! A modern version of Phariseeism is all that it is!
 
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Amen....Jim Jones got 909 people at "Jonestown" to drink cyanide laced kool aid under the banner of "Revolutionary Suicide" and how many people worship Rev. Moon......cults appeal to people because they tell them and reinforce some superiority complex....Look at the SS and Waffen SS under Hitler and Himler......that is what makes cults so dangerous....they appeal to the flesh, brain wash, coddle, constantly skew history or facts and lead every one of their converts to their own demise in the end..........and the inference is clear when Calvinism is viewed under the microscope and based upon all evidences.....!! A modern version of Phariseeism is all that it is!
Scary but true and infiltrating ever so slyly!

"I believe the same as you"... I have read that so many times on here.
 
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Scripture will never convince you, I know this full well, you are immersed in a dogma that denies context, all you can see is affirmation of what you already believe.

The scripture clearly and irrefutably denies limited atonement and irresistible grace.

I have studied the cult of this dogma for a long time, I know how you draw people into your territory but will not respond to what refutes your belief

If "many" means many then... does "all" mean all?

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5
An excellent point on the use of All....

One man by his sin made ALL MEN fall under condemnation

Yet, they skew the word when it comes to Christ......
 
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You and your sidekick, decon's posts are just the same, posting derogatory remarks with no scripture proof.
Eg, I, Dusky, 11th and MANY others have posted enough scriptural truths to prove your belief to be erroneus....enough proofs that three books could be written and yet you blindly deny the truth.....and that is the problem with cults like JW's, Mormons, Calvinists etc.......they refuse to acknowledge the truth because it takes you off of your horse of "superiority complex" and equates you with the rest of us sinners saved by GRACE!
 
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God provided the opportunity for me to hear the Gospel, hearing it touched my heart, I contemplated and believed.
Not so much a salvation issue more how can we hear God not seen. The hearing of His faith working in. He does all the work giving us ears to understand him not seen. . the beginning of the good work of salvation in us. Salvation working in us gives us his confidence as a living hope that he will continue to work with us all the way to the end.

Philipians 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

When we sin its not . . I have to be born-again for the umpteenth time. He either does all the work in us or none .
 

ForestGreenCook

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Scripture will never convince you, I know this full well, you are immersed in a dogma that denies context, all you can see is affirmation of what you already believe.

The scripture clearly and irrefutably denies limited atonement and irresistible grace.

I have studied the cult of this dogma for a long time, I know how you draw people into your territory but will not respond to what refutes your belief

If "many" means many then... does "all" mean all?

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5
In keeping Romans chapter five in context the "many" and "all" are interchangeable with the "we" "our" "us" Verse 11, And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. "Many". that has received the atonement. "all men" that have received the atonement.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Eg, I, Dusky, 11th and MANY others have posted enough scriptural truths to prove your belief to be erroneus....enough proofs that three books could be written and yet you blindly deny the truth.....and that is the problem with cults like JW's, Mormons, Calvinists etc.......they refuse to acknowledge the truth because it takes you off of your horse of "superiority complex" and equates you with the rest of us sinners saved by GRACE!
And I, also, have posted more than enough scriptural truths that do not harmonize with your scripture interpretations, and all yo...........

I started to give you some of your own medicine with the bad words, but I decided not to stoop to your level.
 
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