CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[Jimbone]

This is why I'm confused. I just love Jesus and try to share that love with others. And part of following Jesus is to follow His teachings but I don't feel right judging people. :/

Then don't judge them, we as humans have no power to judge anyone, but none of this stuff has anything to say about what is truth and what is not. Is it hateful to tell someone the truth? Even if it's a hard truth? Now please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about going to a "Pride Parade" with a bullhorn and screaming "You're all going to burn" at people.
I'm not even talking about bringing up that sin at all every time you're around someone that has a same sex attraction. Do I struggle with same sex attraction? No, I never have, but I can promise you I have done things that could turn anyone's nose up in judgment at me, (and rightly so) I can promise you. I can also say that a lot of my biggest shames involved things that I could justify with "I was born that way, it was natural instinct", easily. My point being that as a Christian I have NO ROOM AT ALL to judge anyone. The thing is I have found a God that has called us all, and made a way to reconcile us all back to Himself as He intended for it to be in the beginning anyway.

Not only is this true He is also willing to forgive even people as bad as me, yes as bad as me, to Himself and remake us better than we ever could be on our own, reveal Himself, and give us a peace and sense of wholeness this world CAN NOT offer EVER.

I like to try to focus on the real things and not get lost in the little topical meaningless back and forth that so dominates the world today. As Christians we are called to LOVE even our enemies, so in my opinion any Christian that says "I love Christ, but hate gay's" is a hypocrite and does NOT know the true mercy of Christ . So I agree with you as far as we don't need to hate, or beat them over the head about a specific sin, but to be honest with them about Jesus Christ at all cost. He wants them just as much as He did us, and has called us to love and represent Him to them as well. Just my view.

 

[Dude653]

how does one support gay marriage? Its like saying i dont support broccoli. People are going to eat it regardless....its a moot point

 

[Dude653]

how does one "support" gay marriage? Im not holding their hands on the way to the wedding chapel?..its like saying i dont support mayonnaise. people will still eat it regardless so its a moot point.

 

[willfollowsGod]

While I don’t support gay marriage and realize that it is a sin, I do think that it should be legal. Following the golden rule, we wouldn’t want the government to tell us that we can’t practice Christianity, so why is it our place to tell gay people that they can’t marry the person that they want to? They were given free will just like us, and their judgement day will come. God doesn’t honor those marriages anyway, so you can’t really argue that it degrades traditional marriage. I do disagree with the way that gay marriage was legalized, however; the constitution does not talk about marriage and the supreme court is supposed to base their decisions off of the constitution, so this case had no place in the supreme court. Anyway, just my thoughts. I want to make it completely clear, however, that I do NOT support gay marriage, I just don’t think that it should be illegal.

First of all, there are militant homosexual activist groups who do not want to let Christians follow their beliefs at workplace but only in private. Groups such as GLAAD, HRC (they have nothing to do with human rights only ''special'' rights, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Huffington Post, etc. So the problem is not just the legalization of homosexual ''marriage'', it is the not allowing Christians to exercise their beliefs in the public square. It is the death threats, insults, etc that Christian groups and even counselling centers are getting from these organizations. If they want to get ''married'', I am not stopping me but they are going after and suing people who oppose their marriage and will not bake a wedding cake, provide flowers for their ceremony, take pictures of that ceremony, etc. That is what I have a problem with. I agree with some of the other stuff you said. God bless.

 

[willfollowsGod]

Luke 6:37-38
[SUP]37 [/SUP]“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

We are not to judge the Gay's. Nor are we to judge if they want to marry each other.

That verse you quoted, is the most misquoted verse ever. Saying something is wrong or that their ''marriage'' is not approved by God is not judging them, it is telling them what the Bible says and must be done with love and respect toward them. So by saying what I said, I am not judging homosexuals nor their ''marriages'' to each other. God bless.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Luke 6:37-38
[SUP]37 [/SUP]“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

We are not to judge the Gay's. Nor are we to judge if they want to marry each other.

But we are to follow Gods word, and He commanded us to make disciples of every nation. And you cant bring people to Him without warning them of sin.

God has already passed the judgement on homosexuality, we merely share the message with others.

 

[Dude653]

marriage is a basic civil right. The church has no legal authority to marry anyone.Theocracy is not freedom

 

[Deidre]

While I don’t support gay marriage and realize that it is a sin, I do think that it should be legal. Following the golden rule, we wouldn’t want the government to tell us that we can’t practice Christianity, so why is it our place to tell gay people that they can’t marry the person that they want to? They were given free will just like us, and their judgement day will come. God doesn’t honor those marriages anyway, so you can’t really argue that it degrades traditional marriage. I do disagree with the way that gay marriage was legalized, however; the constitution does not talk about marriage and the supreme court is supposed to base their decisions off of the constitution, so this case had no place in the supreme court. Anyway, just my thoughts. I want to make it completely clear, however, that I do NOT support gay marriage, I just don’t think that it should be illegal.

I see it somewhat as you do, also.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

marriage is a basic civil right. The church has no legal authority to marry anyone.Theocracy is not freedom

Once again Im pretty sure this thread was about whether or not its morally right to be supportive of homosexuality and not about whether or not we should ban it.

 

[Mitspa]

a "civil" right ..under our constitution can only come from the power of the people through the constitutional process ... The issue with gay marriage in America is the fact that liberal judges have replaced the representative process of the people ... Its unconstitutional for a judge to make a "civil" right ...that has to come from the congress and executive branch of government in order to be constitutional ... NO JUDGE can make up civil rights

If gay marriage is supported by the people ..then they need to take the constitutional process to get it established ..legally

If they don't have the support ..then they need to do what all other people do when trying to get a law passed.

 

[Mitspa]

No way should a "real" Christian, support this sexual perversion being classified as a "civil" right ... if you do? You are a friend of this world and a enemy of God... May God have mercy on you after He has humbled you.

 

[Deidre]

Probably the best way I can express my thoughts on this is that we as believers are to discern right from wrong/good and evil, in accordance with our faith beliefs. But we are not to condemn, or judge in a way that is only reserved for God. The final judgment is God's and I've always believed that He knows everyone's hearts.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

As a Christian, can we be pro gay-marriage?
Seeing that marriage is a covenant before God between a man and a woman..... no.

What does this mean for our witnessing to those who are homosexual or approving of Gay marriage in the church?
To those in the Church who approve of Gay marriage we do indeed need to show them what the scriptures say regarding homosexuality. Gay marriage is a natural progression from homosexuality and something that we cannot agree with or stand in approval of.

This does not mean we stand in condemnation of those who are homosexual.
Tied into this issue is the concept of love. It is not loving to seem to be approving of what is sin in the eyes of God. It makes us as ambassadors of Christ hypocrites. How can we stand for the 100% absolute truth of God's word and then turn around and say that something which is an abomination to the Lord is ok?

One way to show them love is to show them Christ's love. They are people... who are lost. Show them the love of Christ by action and also, when you do have some influence in their lives... truth. We have to remember what Paul says about judgment of those inside the body and outside the body.

God has already judged those who are outside the body of Christ. Without Christ, they will go to hell. This is a point we cannot shy away from. Paul then goes on to say... Do you not judge those who are inside the body? We are called to help our brothers who are in sin, under false doctrine, and... supportive of sin. Romans 1:32 states that those who do these things are deserving of death as well as those who approve of them... so this is a very pointed and stark warning to the church.

So in love, show those who are homosexual Christ's love. Be helping, kind, considerate.... however, part of love is showing them the truth and this cannot be ignored. We as believers we cannot in any shape or form appear that we agree with the homosexual lifestyle. Giving the truth IS love. To stand there and be a friend of those in sin and approve of their sin is not a place believers should find themselves in. To show them love, you must let them know the truth.. that their lifestyle is indeed in opposition to the Lord, and that by finding Christ, He can help them of this sin and bring them into newness in Christ. He can help change their wants and desires, but it is contingent on their allowance of the Lord to help change them.

 

[Mitspa]

Probably the best way I can express my thoughts on this is that we as believers are to discern right from wrong/good and evil, in accordance with our faith beliefs. But we are not to condemn, or judge in a way that is only reserved for God. The final judgment is God's and I've always believed that He knows everyone's hearts.

Yes the final judgment is Gods ...no one I have seen here wants to throw gays into heck ... But we as Christians are called to make moral judgments within the context of our citizenship and the law of our country. We don't have the right to impose our faith on others ...but we do have the right as all citizens do to decide the kind of moral society we want as citizens ....

If the people in California use their constitutional rights as a state to approve gay marriage ..we should respect the law in as much as our conscience will allow.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Probably the best way I can express my thoughts on this is that we as believers are to discern right from wrong/good and evil, in accordance with our faith beliefs. But we are not to condemn, or judge in a way that is only reserved for God. The final judgment is God's and I've always believed that He knows everyone's hearts.

Well we should tell them they dont deserve to be saved because of their sins, no. If Im guilty of the same sin, how can I condemn others for it. The measure you use to judge others will be used against you.

But that doesnt mean we dont share the warning God has given us, we are told sin leads to death. We were never commanded to sit quietly while the world continues to sin. Jesus said Himself, "repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand".

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Yes the final judgment is Gods ...no one I have seen here wants to throw gays into heck ... But we as Christians are called to make moral judgments within the context of our citizenship and the law of our country. We don't have the right to impose our faith on others ...but we do have the right as all citizens do to decide the kind of moral society we want as citizens ....

If the people in California use their constitutional rights as a state to approve gay marriage ..we should respect the law in as much as our conscience will allow.

We can follow the law, but we still have the right to not agree with it : p

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Well we should tell them they dont deserve to be saved because of their sins, no.

Shouldnt*, not should. Too many things going online for me at once : /

 

[Deidre]

Well we should tell them they dont deserve to be saved because of their sins, no. If Im guilty of the same sin, how can I condemn others for it. The measure you use to judge others will be used against you.

But that doesnt mean we dont share the warning God has given us, we are told sin leads to death. We were never commanded to sit quietly while the world continues to sin. Jesus said Himself, "repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand".

Okay, I agree with this. (glad you corrected the 'should' to 'shouldn't' lol!!)

 

[Deidre]

Yes the final judgment is Gods ...no one I have seen here wants to throw gays into heck ... But we as Christians are called to make moral judgments within the context of our citizenship and the law of our country. We don't have the right to impose our faith on others ...but we do have the right as all citizens do to decide the kind of moral society we want as citizens ....

If the people in California use their constitutional rights as a state to approve gay marriage ..we should respect the law in as much as our conscience will allow.

But, does this extend to other ''sins?'' It seems that many Christians get caught up in the sins of others committing homosexual acts, but don't really speak much to others in terms of other sins. Like if you know someone who is prideful, do you speak up? If you know someone who is viewing porn on a regular basis, do you speak up? If you see a married friend of yours hitting on women at a bar, do you speak up? If you knew a married man was secretly going to strip clubs, would you speak up? Or do we only pick and choose the sins that we think we should speak up about? That's the problem I have with this topic tbh. Homosexuality isn't the only ''sin'' that the Bible speaks of, but for some reason many feel most justified in speaking out against it, than other sins.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

But, does this extend to other ''sins?'' It seems that many Christians get caught up in the sins of others committing homosexual acts, but don't really speak much to others in terms of other sins. Like if you know someone who is prideful, do you speak up? If you know someone who is viewing porn on a regular basis, do you speak up? If you see a married friend of yours hitting on women at a bar, do you speak up? If you knew a married man was secretly going to strip clubs, would you speak up? Or do we only pick and choose the sins that we think we should speak up about? That's the problem I have with this topic tbh. Homosexuality isn't the only ''sin'' that the Bible speaks of, but for some reason many feel most justified in speaking out against it, than other sins.

Yes.
The reason why homosexuality "seems" to be spoken out against the most is the fact that it is brought up the most by the world in order to trip up Christians. If someone brings another sin up, you better believe we should speak against it.