Divorce is high among Christians. No politicians speak out against it. Not many Christians in general speak out against it, because divorce is actually the highest among evangelical Christians. The only reason I bring this up is that many heterosexual Christians don't speak out against heterosexual marital and sexual sins, but have no issues ranting about the sin of homosexuality. This is why many people who are not believers look at Christians as cherry picking the Bible. It's just an observation. If I do see someone struggling in sin, I'll share my faith experience, and the love of Jesus, and how He changes lives. Maybe we all have a different style, and we have to meet people where they are in their lives.
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You got to see the difference in trying to force Christians to approve and even promote a certain sin ..and allowing that the world and people are sinful. We don't have threads that say we need to get behind and approve adultery or fornication ..do we? If we did?..we would have many people speaking up. We have the porn issue brought up a lot in here and ..its already legal ..but in no way should we as Christians promote it.
Regardless if people don't bring it up, we should still speak out against it and not shy away from it.
Homosexuality is actually something that takes a jab at God's order that He established in the Creation. This is why He calls homosexuality an abomination along with some other sins.
I have heard of and seen churches addressing sins in the congregation. Usually via teaching or the pastor taking the individual aside to talk. Sin must be addressed in the church. A little leaven leavens the whole lump does it not?
Politicians are tools of the world. Politics is where you see a lot of compromise with worldly principles and values. Christian politicians should not compromise one mote with what the world agrees with and condones if it is contrary to God's truth and values. Divorce is something that is rampant in the "professing" church, but that is an issue that should be brought up with the pastor to the two individuals. We should not see a divorce rate this high in the church.
Homosexuality is actually something that takes a jab at God's order that He established in the Creation. This is why He calls homosexuality an abomination along with some other sins.
I have heard of and seen churches addressing sins in the congregation. Usually via teaching or the pastor taking the individual aside to talk. Sin must be addressed in the church. A little leaven leavens the whole lump does it not?
Politicians are tools of the world. Politics is where you see a lot of compromise with worldly principles and values. Christian politicians should not compromise one mote with what the world agrees with and condones if it is contrary to God's truth and values. Divorce is something that is rampant in the "professing" church, but that is an issue that should be brought up with the pastor to the two individuals. We should not see a divorce rate this high in the church.
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Again if someone came to the forum and started promoting divorce or cheating ...lots of people would speak up ... and divorce is not a eternal sin that God cant forgive and restore a believer into righteousness . A "Christian" who had no respect for marriage would in fact be in a condition of rebellion against the Will of God and if a true believer? God would deal with that believer as the bible clearly teaches.
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The things of The World belongs to the World . let the world do what it wants. I serve The Lord and know what is Wrong and what is Right. The people who think this is the way to do things, are fooling themselves. They all need and get converted. God can take away all the perverse behavior and thinking..
This is true, but I believe that once people feel the love of Jesus, they will understand why certain acts are sinful. I think that many try to tell people who are not believers that they are sinning, and the message of hope and love is lost. Jesus came to people in love, and also told them to 'go and sin no more.' But, He wasn't in the habit of merely chastising or rebuking, He was in the habit of building relationships with those He wanted to bring to Him. Likewise, we are to not merely chastise, and speak out against sin, we are to be the Light of Christ for those to see, and they too will want to know that Light. It's in that relationship and in that Light, that people's hearts change. This is how I see it. You can witness however you wish, we all have our own style I guess.
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You are clearly right De...that its Gods love that changes people ...and when most of us on here see someone being judgmental apart from the Love of Christ, I think folks speak up. But that same love also upholds what is good and keeps it pure ..The church must stay pure and learn to deal with sinners from a place of love ... That can look different as each individual is lead by God to witness to sinners.
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I've heard this argument about "Judging" People for years. If they come to Church or attend a Group Bible Study, Would you avoid the subject so noone get's "Offended" or using The Holy Word of God and with Compassion and firm voice warn them that what they are doing is wrong, and tell them how they can rid themselves of this perversion.. Or "Sugarcoat" it and buy into apeasement ?
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No. Long and short, just as a Christian who is mature enough to understand sin ( all saved because that's inherant in salvation) can't make justification for sin, including any in their own life.
Now we can be pro-decency towards homosexuals: We shouldn't be theatening, physically harming or mocking them any more than we would do the same to say a drug addict or such. But treating people as The Christ would have us treat them is very different from compromising God's truth. After all, Jesus ate with the sinners and preached to them but he didn't stick around to say 'hey, it doesn't matter in the end because ...you know, whatever".
Now we can be pro-decency towards homosexuals: We shouldn't be theatening, physically harming or mocking them any more than we would do the same to say a drug addict or such. But treating people as The Christ would have us treat them is very different from compromising God's truth. After all, Jesus ate with the sinners and preached to them but he didn't stick around to say 'hey, it doesn't matter in the end because ...you know, whatever".
We are to bring the Gospel to the World. Last time i checked the Gays are in this World. We are to bring them the Gospel.
BUT, if we condemn them all the time, what does that do to our witness to them?? We cannot say to them, "accept Jesus", when we are showing no love or mercy towards them.
The Greatest Commandment God ever gave us was to Love our Neighbor as ourselves!
You will be able to bring the Gospel to more people when you treat them with Love. How many people do you think will listen to you when they see you treating them with contempt?
BUT, if we condemn them all the time, what does that do to our witness to them?? We cannot say to them, "accept Jesus", when we are showing no love or mercy towards them.
The Greatest Commandment God ever gave us was to Love our Neighbor as ourselves!
You will be able to bring the Gospel to more people when you treat them with Love. How many people do you think will listen to you when they see you treating them with contempt?
Although divorce might be a problem too, its certainly not an issue the world is taking up in support of, and its not being used to make Christians look like a bunch of uneducated hateful hicks.
Homosexuality is the "civil rights issue" or our age, so of course people are talking about it. And of course, we should stand on the word of God.
Homosexuality is the "civil rights issue" or our age, so of course people are talking about it. And of course, we should stand on the word of God.
If you help them come to Jesus, you are going to have to tell them that homosexuality is wrong and they need to repent.
And no, we dont leave them for the holy spirit to do that, I had claimed I accepted Jesus for years before I did, still living as transgender and homosexual. No one ever told me about Deut 22:5 and I never knew until I went through something terrible and was shown the verse. There is nothing in the bible about not telling others about the danger of sin and leaving that part of the job for the holy spirit. In fact we are even told that if we do not warn others, their blood will be on our hands. That teaching is not biblical.
And no, we dont leave them for the holy spirit to do that, I had claimed I accepted Jesus for years before I did, still living as transgender and homosexual. No one ever told me about Deut 22:5 and I never knew until I went through something terrible and was shown the verse. There is nothing in the bible about not telling others about the danger of sin and leaving that part of the job for the holy spirit. In fact we are even told that if we do not warn others, their blood will be on our hands. That teaching is not biblical.