Don't have time to give a complete reply yet. But I just want to say that I do not believe God immediately withdraws his Spirit if we sin. We can see this in Psalm 51. David is repenting of his sin of adultery and murder and he is asking the Lord not to take His Holy Spirit from him. But the fact that David is asking such a thing suggests that David could lose the Spirit if he did not repent under the conviction of the Spirit. Meaning, if we do not repent after God has convicted us of our sin and we keep shaking our head with arms foled in rebellion against him, then how can you be forgiven? We have to be sorrowful for our sin against God. That is the basics. 2 Corinthians 7:10 talks about how there is Godly sorrow and a worldly sorrow. Godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation. The other kind of sorrow leads unto death. Judas was sorry. Sorry he got caught. Sorry it did not work out like he thought. But his sorrow was not Godly sorrow. One needs to repent and be broken up about their sin before God. For sin is separation betweeen God and man. That has never changed since the Garden.
Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?
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newbirth believes we are saved by grace through faith...and faith without works is dead....if works show that you are saved and you have no works...are you saved??? if water dripping from you shows you are wet....if no water is dripping from you then you are not wet...(not the best comparison but close enough) it is either you are hot or cold wet or dry...saved or unsaved with sin or without sin...following or not following...faith with works or faith without works.
As for forgetting a sin:
Well, you have to understand that there are sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death (1 John 5:16). Sins that do not lead unto death are hidden and or secret faults (Psalm 19:12), falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), and sins that are confessed or cleansed (1 John 1:9). Sins unto death are those sins such as murder, idolatry, hate, lust, theft, and drunkenness, etc.
If God abides in you, then He will not allow you to forget about a sin that leads unto death (Such as killing, lying, or lusting). God will convict you by His Spirit. If a person refuses God's conviction to repent, then the Lord will depart from them. Then their life will be out of fellowship with God. They will know deep down they will need to repent.
Note: Confession of sins applies to the believer and not the person who is accepting Christ for the first time.
Well, you have to understand that there are sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death (1 John 5:16). Sins that do not lead unto death are hidden and or secret faults (Psalm 19:12), falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), and sins that are confessed or cleansed (1 John 1:9). Sins unto death are those sins such as murder, idolatry, hate, lust, theft, and drunkenness, etc.
If God abides in you, then He will not allow you to forget about a sin that leads unto death (Such as killing, lying, or lusting). God will convict you by His Spirit. If a person refuses God's conviction to repent, then the Lord will depart from them. Then their life will be out of fellowship with God. They will know deep down they will need to repent.
Note: Confession of sins applies to the believer and not the person who is accepting Christ for the first time.
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1 john 1:9 says we are cleansed of sin if we confess. Folks either believe that verse or they don't believe it. However, how can you be forgiven if there are still sins on your record that need to be cleansed?
Think about it.
Note: This talking to believers and not unbelievers (or those who are coming to Christ for the first time).
Think about it.
Note: This talking to believers and not unbelievers (or those who are coming to Christ for the first time).
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I doubt that anyone would say they do not believe that verse. Many would be quick to say that they do not believe that you have a correct understanding of that verse.
Have you ever been in fellowship with God? I do not understand how anyone with a critical bitter spirit can claim to fellowship with God who teaches that we are to forgive even our enemies.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Have you ever been in fellowship with God? I do not understand how anyone with a critical bitter spirit can claim to fellowship with God who teaches that we are to forgive even our enemies.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes, I am in fellowship with God all the time. However, you need the Scriptures more if you think God's people cannot judge that which is evil. It's not wrong to point out bad behavior. Believers are kicked out of a church if they are causing sin within it. Jesus said judge righteous judgment. Paul says we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but we are to rather reprove them.
Anyways, if you disagree with my plain reading of 1 John 1:9, then please tell me what you think it says.
Anyways, if you disagree with my plain reading of 1 John 1:9, then please tell me what you think it says.
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In 1 John 5:16, the brethren are told to pray to give "life" or victory in a fellow brother or sister's sin that does not lead unto death. This is primarily confessed sin that they are struggling with. If the brethren is praying for this person, they will gain victory over their sin that they are struggling with.
While both 1 John 5:16 and James 5:15 deal with the brethren praying for a fellow believer's sin. However, I want to clarify the difference between 1 John 5:16 and James 5:15, though. In 1 John 5:16, the man who is stuggling with the sin that does not lead unto death is saved before the brethren pray for him. This is because he has been confessing his sins and is desiring to serve God in righteousness. In James 5:15, the man who has not been prayed for yet needs to be saved. He needs to confess his faults (sins) to God. The man wanting to be healed physically will be taken to the brethren and will be guided to admit his guilt or sins before God in their presence. He will be forgiven of his sins and healed if he cooperates.
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Here is the problem. The word of God is quick and powerful dividing asunder the thoughts and intents of the heart. The word of God is not a bludgeon with which you go about hitting folks over the head and beating them into submission.
Clean up your own act and learn to love and forgive them of the fellowship of the faith. Live so close to Christ that you do not need to be critical and caustic to reprove of sin and unrighteousness.
Sinners know they are sinners and you need not rub their noses in their sin. They will only resent you for being a hypocrite.
If you are in fellowship with God all the time then God must overlook your shortcomings because of Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Clean up your own act and learn to love and forgive them of the fellowship of the faith. Live so close to Christ that you do not need to be critical and caustic to reprove of sin and unrighteousness.
Sinners know they are sinners and you need not rub their noses in their sin. They will only resent you for being a hypocrite.
If you are in fellowship with God all the time then God must overlook your shortcomings because of Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
See, now you're judging and being critical. You are breaking your own rules. You attack me personally instead of the doctrine. I will ask you again. For I know you are avoiding the issue. Explain what each word is saying in 1 John 1:9. Offer me your complete commentary on it. Explain to me how we are forgiven of sin or cleansed of unrighteousness thru confession. I say this because you believe you are already cleansed and that your sins are already forgiven for all time; Even future sin. Explain your belief of this in light of 1 John 1:9. It just doesn't make any sense.
Oh, and this is not a passage for someone who is going to accept Christ because the passage says "we."
Oh, and this is not a passage for someone who is going to accept Christ because the passage says "we."
K
Not to mention how I keep telling those who believe future sins can not be accounted to them before even committed and then confessed to receive remission.
1st and 2nd Timothy.................Here you have the Apostle Paul talking to the Apostle Timothy, and Paul tells Timothy that he needs to keep himself pure, because future sins can make him impure again.
For obviously if the man in James 5:15 was kicking and screaming that he did not want to repent or be healed, he wouldn't be forced against his will to be amongst the other brethren to be anointed with oil and healed both spiritually and physically. The only reason his sins need forgiving is if his heart needs to get right with God.
Originally Posted by Jason0047
Originally Posted by GracethroughfaithinChrist
Jason please forgive me for these words i spoke against you, it was wrong for me to step outside of the command to love and forgive you my brother, differences in interpretation of the Word is no excuse for that kind of behavior and i apologize for that offense. May these words soothe any wrong i may have caused to you in speaking them.
Friends, may our Good Father, through Christ and according to His mercy show all of us here that good and perfect way of peace and love for each other by healing our hearts as He continues to bring us into the knowledge of His perfect will.
Friends, may our Good Father, through Christ and according to His mercy show all of us here that good and perfect way of peace and love for each other by healing our hearts as He continues to bring us into the knowledge of His perfect will.
Yes, and how wonderful a thing, God bringing us back to himself (reconciling us) by blotting out our sins and making us righteous.
And, if you continue reading, in verse 21 we are told:
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
When we trust in Christ, we make an exchange---our sin for his righteousness.
Our sin was poured into Christ at our conversion. This is what we Christians mean by atonement for sin. In the world, bartering works only when two people exchange goods of relatively equal value. But God offers to trade his righteousness for our sin---something of immeasurable worth for something completely worthless.
How grateful we should be for his kindness to us.
And, if you continue reading, in verse 21 we are told:
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
When we trust in Christ, we make an exchange---our sin for his righteousness.
Our sin was poured into Christ at our conversion. This is what we Christians mean by atonement for sin. In the world, bartering works only when two people exchange goods of relatively equal value. But God offers to trade his righteousness for our sin---something of immeasurable worth for something completely worthless.
How grateful we should be for his kindness to us.