Can you Sin and Not Die?
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oh they were saved. in one day.
from lost murdering sinners to saved people in a single day.
what happened to them that day skinski?
what exactly did they DO?
let's see if you get to it, or if it is about your ax-wielding child murderer or porn star.
duh.
what did they receive skinski?
and what did they have to do to receive it?
as for your cute little addition to the narrative, don't add to it.
it isn't in there.
you don't know what their rebellion was?
of course you don't.
you don't know what the call to repentance was FOR.
and you don't know today.
they did that. all in that one day.
okay.
i agree.
so what application of James' doing, do you have those israelites doing on that ONE day?
ONE DAY.
the very SAME DAY.
you go ahead and tell me about all that striving and stuff.
squeeze it into ONE DAY.
go ahead.
from lost murdering sinners to saved people in a single day.
what happened to them that day skinski?
what exactly did they DO?
let's see if you get to it, or if it is about your ax-wielding child murderer or porn star.
duh.
what did they receive skinski?
and what did they have to do to receive it?
as for your cute little addition to the narrative, don't add to it.
it isn't in there.
you don't know what their rebellion was?
of course you don't.
you don't know what the call to repentance was FOR.
and you don't know today.
they did that. all in that one day.
okay.
i agree.
so what application of James' doing, do you have those israelites doing on that ONE day?
ONE DAY.
the very SAME DAY.
you go ahead and tell me about all that striving and stuff.
squeeze it into ONE DAY.
go ahead.
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Skinski:
now tell me about my sister.
who rejected everything i was trying to tell her. for years.
until ONE DAY she agreed to hear me out - in order to prove me wrong.
IN ONE DAY in a hotel room, we went through the entire Bible - The Law & The Gospel.
just like the eunuch, she didn't even know Who the prophet in Isaiah was.
the very same DAY.
after 12 hours, she laid on the bathroom floor and suffered in agony for another 3 hours.
then she stood and called all her friends and was baptized immediately.
she is a new person....her husband now believes, her grandson believes.
NOT ENOUGH REPENTANCE?
tell me...
was she saved that very day?
IN ONE DAY
yes or no.
now tell me about my sister.
who rejected everything i was trying to tell her. for years.
until ONE DAY she agreed to hear me out - in order to prove me wrong.
IN ONE DAY in a hotel room, we went through the entire Bible - The Law & The Gospel.
just like the eunuch, she didn't even know Who the prophet in Isaiah was.
the very same DAY.
after 12 hours, she laid on the bathroom floor and suffered in agony for another 3 hours.
then she stood and called all her friends and was baptized immediately.
she is a new person....her husband now believes, her grandson believes.
NOT ENOUGH REPENTANCE?
tell me...
was she saved that very day?
IN ONE DAY
yes or no.
should i send her standingthegap.org and tell her she isn't saved Skinski?
should i tell her her grandson must be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses?
out with it!
what's taken you so long?
who are YOU to be laying ANYTHING to the account of those the Lord has added....in a single day?
who are YOU to undo what the Lord has done?
who are YOU to unjustify, to call unclean what the God of Heaven has already declared CLEAN?
huh?
come on....prophet in the wilderness....let's have it.
who are you in real life.
i want to see YOUR FRUIT.
should i tell her her grandson must be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses?
out with it!
what's taken you so long?
who are YOU to be laying ANYTHING to the account of those the Lord has added....in a single day?
who are YOU to undo what the Lord has done?
who are YOU to unjustify, to call unclean what the God of Heaven has already declared CLEAN?
huh?
come on....prophet in the wilderness....let's have it.
who are you in real life.
i want to see YOUR FRUIT.
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C
Act 26:17-18 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send --> thee <--,To open their eyes,and to turn themfrom darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God. How will they know unless they have heard? Go and preach the Gospel.....
Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God. How will they know unless they have heard? Go and preach the Gospel.....
Not quite sure what you mean Cfultz.
Yes a child rebellion does have to turn from darkness to light if they want to be saved. God's hands our outstretched to all for he wants none to perish.
As far as the l plow that is this verse...
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luk 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
It simply means that we are to leave Egypt and not look back. It is a reference to being double-minded and still having a love for the things of the world while trying to serve God at the same time.
Lot's wife was a type and shadow of one who left Sodom and looked back. She perished.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
The world is a powerful draw but its pleasures are temporary. Our treasure is where our heart is, either on things above or on things below.
This is not to say it is wrong to enjoy a sunset of a family get together, the context is clearly in regards to idolatry where we put something in the place of God.
I hope that makes sense, I'm not sure exactly what you means in your comment.
Yes a child rebellion does have to turn from darkness to light if they want to be saved. God's hands our outstretched to all for he wants none to perish.
As far as the l plow that is this verse...
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luk 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
It simply means that we are to leave Egypt and not look back. It is a reference to being double-minded and still having a love for the things of the world while trying to serve God at the same time.
Lot's wife was a type and shadow of one who left Sodom and looked back. She perished.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
The world is a powerful draw but its pleasures are temporary. Our treasure is where our heart is, either on things above or on things below.
This is not to say it is wrong to enjoy a sunset of a family get together, the context is clearly in regards to idolatry where we put something in the place of God.
I hope that makes sense, I'm not sure exactly what you means in your comment.
You are inventing gnats for straining.
To be saved all one has to do is forsake one's rebellion to God and yield to Him.
This one verse sums it up...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So does this passage...
Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Your right I don't know what the sins of the people in Acts 2 were except they were cut to the heart about putting Jesus to death. I don't need to know their individual sins. The fact is they repented and believed which means they were not longer in rebellion to God. It is very simple.
It takes "learned theologians" to obfuscate the truth and replace it with a doctrine whereby ongoing rebellion is cloaked by a provision which declares a sinner is saved whilst still in bondage.
To be saved all one has to do is forsake one's rebellion to God and yield to Him.
This one verse sums it up...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So does this passage...
Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Your right I don't know what the sins of the people in Acts 2 were except they were cut to the heart about putting Jesus to death. I don't need to know their individual sins. The fact is they repented and believed which means they were not longer in rebellion to God. It is very simple.
It takes "learned theologians" to obfuscate the truth and replace it with a doctrine whereby ongoing rebellion is cloaked by a provision which declares a sinner is saved whilst still in bondage.
I had no clue about "repentance proven by deeds" or "godly sorrow working repentance unto salvation" or "faith upholding the law via love" back in 1995.
I suspect you pull that from the same place you are pulling these gnats. From your imagination.
It is interesting that you mention Paul though because he speaks of His previous life in saying this...
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Paul said he was BLAMELESS in regards to the LETTER of the law.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
He was zealous for God but was greatly deceived because he lacked understanding the grace of God and thus the issue of inward heart purity. Saul sought righteousness in the outward works of the law. He was no fornicator or drunkard. He actually believed he was zealously serving God.
When God struck him down on that road to Damascus it must have been a pretty humbling experience to come to realise that he had built his entire house on a faulty foundation. Yet his heart was changed, he counted it all dung and then began to construct his house on the sound foundation of Jesus Christ.
Paul was no longer in rebellion and nor is a Christian who undergoes a genuine repentance experience.
Jesus made this comment...
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Jesus the great physician came to call sinners to repentance. Why repentance? Well because of this...
Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
In other words a corn of wheat must die before it can bring forth much fruit.
Joh_12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Now just so you are not confused in that I am saying "we save ourselves" I'll say that if one "departs from iniquity" and does not "yield to God" then this happens...
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
The grain of wheat will only produce fruit if this happens...
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
So back to the example of Paul, he said this...
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
No-one does that whilst in a state of rebellion to God because then they are not "crucified with Christ."
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rather we serve this...
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Which leads to this...
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Which leads to this...
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
What a wonderful gift God has given all mankind.
I suspect you pull that from the same place you are pulling these gnats. From your imagination.
It is interesting that you mention Paul though because he speaks of His previous life in saying this...
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Paul said he was BLAMELESS in regards to the LETTER of the law.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
He was zealous for God but was greatly deceived because he lacked understanding the grace of God and thus the issue of inward heart purity. Saul sought righteousness in the outward works of the law. He was no fornicator or drunkard. He actually believed he was zealously serving God.
When God struck him down on that road to Damascus it must have been a pretty humbling experience to come to realise that he had built his entire house on a faulty foundation. Yet his heart was changed, he counted it all dung and then began to construct his house on the sound foundation of Jesus Christ.
Paul was no longer in rebellion and nor is a Christian who undergoes a genuine repentance experience.
Jesus made this comment...
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Jesus the great physician came to call sinners to repentance. Why repentance? Well because of this...
Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
In other words a corn of wheat must die before it can bring forth much fruit.
Joh_12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Now just so you are not confused in that I am saying "we save ourselves" I'll say that if one "departs from iniquity" and does not "yield to God" then this happens...
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
The grain of wheat will only produce fruit if this happens...
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
So back to the example of Paul, he said this...
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
No-one does that whilst in a state of rebellion to God because then they are not "crucified with Christ."
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rather we serve this...
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Which leads to this...
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Which leads to this...
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
What a wonderful gift God has given all mankind.
Are you sure you are understanding Paul correctly Skinski?
As for legalistic righteousness faultless
Phil3:6
Legalistic righteousness is where he considered himself faultless, that was all. He knew he was not faultless inwardly. He knew he was not faultless concerning inward heart purity, he had not decieved himself in that regard
As for legalistic righteousness faultless
Phil3:6
Legalistic righteousness is where he considered himself faultless, that was all. He knew he was not faultless inwardly. He knew he was not faultless concerning inward heart purity, he had not decieved himself in that regard
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God there is only one faith one lord and one baptism read it in the blog I write title there is one faith one lord one baptism just like the law was the shadow of the good things to com, water baptism was John to annouince the Messiah for the Jews had arrived and when John announced this water baptism was over for John said he must decrease and Christ must increase for I John merely baptized with water but Christ baptises with the Holy Ghost and with fire
Then read Acts 1:5 you can get my blog in my profile
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And Paul went on to say you want tp glory in the flesh, well me (paul) more so a jew, circumcised the eigth day well read it
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
I agree.
Paul was trying to obey God "in the flesh" and therefore he would "do" what he "knew not." He was carnal and sold under sin yet I don't think he had been brought under conviction unlike the wretch of Romans 7:14-28 who is under conviction.
Perhaps Paul had been brought under conviction to a degree and suppressed it which his busy law keeping. I can only speculate.
What I do know though is that the wretch of Romans 7 is a man under the law who is also under conviction. The wretch is not the present walk of a Christian who has been set free from the bondage of sin.
Paul was trying to obey God "in the flesh" and therefore he would "do" what he "knew not." He was carnal and sold under sin yet I don't think he had been brought under conviction unlike the wretch of Romans 7:14-28 who is under conviction.
Perhaps Paul had been brought under conviction to a degree and suppressed it which his busy law keeping. I can only speculate.
What I do know though is that the wretch of Romans 7 is a man under the law who is also under conviction. The wretch is not the present walk of a Christian who has been set free from the bondage of sin.
really?
it's very simple?
your entire program is built on the single word rebellion.
let's see how simple it really is:
they repented and believed
which means
they were not longer in rebellion to God
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
how many sins (plural) is Peter talking about?
did he make a list about child molestation and pornography and child sacrifice and serial rape and all that other stuff you like to talk about? all those sins?
did he send letters around everywhere with a list of things to do and stop doing before he said:
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."?
did he say there would be a GAP between the time they repented and were baptized until they received the gift of the Holy Spirit?
show me.
show me the gap. show me the list.
did peter say the Holy Spirit was a gift?
what does the Holy Spirit do?
does everyone who believes the message, repents and is baptized receive the Holy Spirit?
can it happen in ONE DAY?
John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
then what?
Ephesians 1
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
14 - He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
arrabón: an earnest (a part payment in advance for security)
Original Word: ἀρραβών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arrabón
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-hrab-ohn')
Short Definition: an earnest, earnest-money
Definition: an earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a security that the whole will be paid afterwards.
728 arrhabṓn – properly, an installment; a deposit ("down-payment") which guarantees the balance (the full purchase-price).
728 /arrhabṓn ("down-payment pledge") is the regular term in NT times for "earnest-money," i.e. advance-payment that guarantees the rest will be given. 728 (arrhabṓn) then represents full security backed by the purchaser who supplies sufficient proof they will fulfill the entire pledge (promise).
[728 (arrhabṓn) is common in the papyri for "down payment/earnest money" and hence frequent in business documents and agreements.]
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13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
they repented and believed
which means
they were not longer in rebellion to God
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
you have repeatedly and consistently said no one is saved in sin. ever.
that this is not the Plan of God.
He can not and will not save anyone who has not ceased all known sin.
you've said it in 10,000 different ways.
"there were added that day about three thousand souls."
are you going to say that three thousand souls who were saved on the Day of Pentecost had ceased all known sin in that single day? BEFORE THEY RECEIVED THE WORD AND WERE BAPTIZED?
is this how it went?
somewhere between 9 am on the Day Peter delivered his sermon, and the time these people were baptized and received the Holy Spirit on the very THE SAME DAY, they:
- took time to think about their past lives and current behavior.
- tried to find out what was willful sin and what wasn't.
- wandered around in the wilderness in despair [for how long?].
- had made a list of all known sin.
- ceased from every one.
- purified their hearts and minds.
- were double-checked by the Apostles who wrote letters to everyone asking "if you are an axe-murderer, have you..."?
or were they saved in sin, from their sins, from the penalty for their sins, and empowered by the new birth to change?
which is it Scott?
just keep it simple. i want to hear it straight from you.
it's very simple?
your entire program is built on the single word rebellion.
let's see how simple it really is:
they repented and believed
which means
they were not longer in rebellion to God
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
how many sins (plural) is Peter talking about?
did he make a list about child molestation and pornography and child sacrifice and serial rape and all that other stuff you like to talk about? all those sins?
did he send letters around everywhere with a list of things to do and stop doing before he said:
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."?
did he say there would be a GAP between the time they repented and were baptized until they received the gift of the Holy Spirit?
show me.
show me the gap. show me the list.
did peter say the Holy Spirit was a gift?
what does the Holy Spirit do?
does everyone who believes the message, repents and is baptized receive the Holy Spirit?
can it happen in ONE DAY?
John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
then what?
Ephesians 1
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
14 - He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
arrabón: an earnest (a part payment in advance for security)
Original Word: ἀρραβών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arrabón
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-hrab-ohn')
Short Definition: an earnest, earnest-money
Definition: an earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a security that the whole will be paid afterwards.
728 arrhabṓn – properly, an installment; a deposit ("down-payment") which guarantees the balance (the full purchase-price).
728 /arrhabṓn ("down-payment pledge") is the regular term in NT times for "earnest-money," i.e. advance-payment that guarantees the rest will be given. 728 (arrhabṓn) then represents full security backed by the purchaser who supplies sufficient proof they will fulfill the entire pledge (promise).
[728 (arrhabṓn) is common in the papyri for "down payment/earnest money" and hence frequent in business documents and agreements.]
.............
13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
they repented and believed
which means
they were not longer in rebellion to God
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
you have repeatedly and consistently said no one is saved in sin. ever.
that this is not the Plan of God.
He can not and will not save anyone who has not ceased all known sin.
you've said it in 10,000 different ways.
"there were added that day about three thousand souls."
are you going to say that three thousand souls who were saved on the Day of Pentecost had ceased all known sin in that single day? BEFORE THEY RECEIVED THE WORD AND WERE BAPTIZED?
is this how it went?
somewhere between 9 am on the Day Peter delivered his sermon, and the time these people were baptized and received the Holy Spirit on the very THE SAME DAY, they:
- took time to think about their past lives and current behavior.
- tried to find out what was willful sin and what wasn't.
- wandered around in the wilderness in despair [for how long?].
- had made a list of all known sin.
- ceased from every one.
- purified their hearts and minds.
- were double-checked by the Apostles who wrote letters to everyone asking "if you are an axe-murderer, have you..."?
or were they saved in sin, from their sins, from the penalty for their sins, and empowered by the new birth to change?
which is it Scott?
just keep it simple. i want to hear it straight from you.