Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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what do you say about Protestants who believe that Jews and Christians worship the same God, are they members of the body of Christ?
They not bishop, not specialist in religions, some Jews in Old Testament believe in Jesus.
So they confused between Jews in the OT that believe in Jesus and Jews that refused jesus.

But bishop know that Muslim not adore true God, true god must have Jesus as one of the element.

So that bishop deliberately lie.
 

Dan_473

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Catholic pray to Mary, and lot of saint, catholic believe in purgatory, Mary is co redeemer, believe Eucharist, and all kind pagan tradition, lie about Peter, their church doctrine base on Peter, only Peter have the key to heaven and more lie.
Did you want to answer this question:
what do you say about Protestants who believe that Jews and Christians worship the same God, are they members of the body of Christ?
 

Jackson123

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Did you want to answer this question:
what do you say about Protestants who believe that Jews and Christians worship the same God, are they members of the body of Christ?
I did, do you believe Jesus teach about purgatory, Peter as the first bishop in Rome, Mary is co redeemer?
 

Dan_473

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They not bishop, not specialist in religions, some Jews in Old Testament believe in Jesus.
So they confused between Jews in the OT that believe in Jesus and Jews that refused jesus.

But bishop know that Muslim not adore true God, true god must have Jesus as one of the element.

So that bishop deliberately lie.
it sounds like, then, you are saying that if a Protestant believes that Jews and Christians are worshiping the same God, that they just don't really know what's going on.

do you believe that I know what's going on? if I say that Jews and Christians worship the same God, am I just misinformed, too?

the King James translators who worked on the book of Romans were experts in theology and the New testament.
were they also just not informed, in your view?
 

Dan_473

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I did, do you believe Jesus teach about purgatory, Peter as the first bishop in Rome, Mary is co redeemer?
I'm happy to answer your questions, but a problem I foresee is that the thread will develop too many subtopics.

it sounds like you basically want to show that there are many reasons that Catholics cannot be Christians, in your view.

for the moment, I suggest we resolve the question of whether an informed person can say that Jews and Christians worship the same God and also be a Christian at the same time.
 

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I did, do you believe Jesus teach about purgatory, Peter as the first bishop in Rome, Mary is co redeemer?
I also wanted to add that I go through the posts one at a time in the order they were posted, so I hadn't yet seen your answer to my question when I had written the post that you responded to.
 

Jackson123

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another way to see it is that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, but Muslims have a lot of false ideas about God.
I think you also believe Christian and Hindu worship the same God but Hindu have a lot of false idea about God

So does pagan Rome religion, they worship Christian god but they think Christian god is semiramis

And catholic worship Christian god but they think god teach them to bow down to the statue.

It is your choice my brother, your choice to insult Jesus

You try to People that persecute Christian worship Christian God. As long as Catholic look honest and not lie
 

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I'm happy to answer your questions, but a problem I foresee is that the thread will develop too many subtopics.

it sounds like you basically want to show that there are many reasons that Catholics cannot be Christians, in your view.

for the moment, I suggest we resolve the question of whether an informed person can say that Jews and Christians worship the same God and also be a Christian at the same time.
Some Jews in OT believe Jesus they call it Messiah.
 
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I did, do you believe Jesus teach about purgatory, Peter as the first bishop in Rome, Mary is co redeemer?

I think that it is best that we define what we mean by Christian because we are dividing over that. I believe that a Christian is anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and savior.
 

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I think that it is best that we define what we mean by Christian because we are dividing over that. I believe that a Christian is anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and savior.
People that accept Jesus as their Lord will respect Jesus teaching.
Catholic di not respect Jesus teaching by adding purgatory, Muslim adore Christian God,no salvation apart from Catholic etc

No salvation apart from Jesus
No salvation apart from Catholic

That mean replace Jesus.

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816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."
 

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I think you also believe Christian and Hindu worship the same God but Hindu have a lot of false idea about God

So does pagan Rome religion, they worship Christian god but they think Christian god is semiramis
we talked about Hindus and pagans earlier in the thread.
anything I say now would basically be a repeat.
so in the interest of keeping things simple, I suggest we focus on Jews and Christians for the moment.

And catholic worship Christian god but they think god teach them to bow down to the statue.

It is your choice my brother, your choice to insult Jesus
I hope that as time goes by you will come to see it is not an insult to Jesus.
rather, it glorifies Jesus when we see that he built a very strong Church, as he promised!

You try to People that persecute Christian worship Christian God. As long as Catholic look honest and not lie
unfortunately, I can't make sense out of those sentences.
 

Jackson123

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Jackson123 said:
I think you also believe Christian and Hindu worship the same God but Hindu have a lot of false idea about God

So does pagan Rome religion, they worship Christian god but they think Christian god is semiramis
we talked about Hindus and pagans earlier in the thread.
anything I say now would basically be a repeat.
so in the interest of keeping things simple, I suggest we focus on Jews and Christians for the moment.

And catholic worship Christian god but they think god teach them to bow down to the statue.

It is your choice my brother, your choice to insult Jesus
I hope that as time goes by you will come to see it is not an insult to Jesus.
rather, it glorifies Jesus when we see that he built a very strong Church, as he promised!


What kind of strong church catholic built?

Church that adore Muslim god, sale forgiveness certificate, lie about Purgatory, lie about Peter in fome, replace Jesus as the only savior
 

Dan_473

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Some Jews in OT believe Jesus they call it Messiah.
that's true!

I think it's also true that Jews have a zeal for the true God.

when we're done talking about that, there's at least one other scripture scripture I can think of that talk about Jews worshipping the true God.
 

Dan_473

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And you believe Hindu worship Christian god but have a lot of wrong idea about God
I think that's one way to look at it, yes.

but for now I like the idea of sticking to Jews and Christians.
 

Dan_473

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People that accept Jesus as their Lord will respect Jesus teaching.
the issue I have with that approach is that it means that anyone who I think does not respect all of the teachings of Jesus as I understand them is not a Christian.

as an example, I will demonstrate how your approach would work in this conversation.
since you do not respect the teaching of Jesus given through Paul that Jews have a zeal for the true God, then I would have to say that you are not a Christian.
 

Jackson123

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that's true!

I think it's also true that Jews have a zeal for the true God.

when we're done talking about that, there's at least one other scripture scripture I can think of that talk about Jews worshipping the true God.
To me the word God include Father, Son and Holy Spirit

If Jews targeting Father only, catholic must say Jews only worship Father, refused Jesus