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Things today are much better than they were in the middle ages. I am not saying things are hunky dory, but I am saying we got it pretty good considering the path of history. They used to light torches with Christians. But you're right, things are definitely not perfect, we have made converts, but not disciples and this is coming back upon us. This is why I pray to the Lord to show me what discipleship looks like! Which He told me looks like showing people how to walk like Christ.
Kingdom theology? Sure I guess. I preach the gospel of the Kingdom to the ends of the Earth. Didn't Christ show us how to walk and how to live our lives? I believe so. After all, His Spirit now abides in us. And His ministry is continuing through our lives.
We see here that Jesus died as one wheat, so that there might be much fruit, also that Jesus equates following Him with giving up our lives.
John 12:23And Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.
Jesus brought the Kingdom everywhere He went. He sent the disciples to release the Kingdom. He told the disciples to teach the things He taught. Paul said follow after his pattern as he follows after Christ. When did we stop following the pattern of Christ and being lead by the Spirit of God?
C.
Kingdom theology? Sure I guess. I preach the gospel of the Kingdom to the ends of the Earth. Didn't Christ show us how to walk and how to live our lives? I believe so. After all, His Spirit now abides in us. And His ministry is continuing through our lives.
We see here that Jesus died as one wheat, so that there might be much fruit, also that Jesus equates following Him with giving up our lives.
John 12:23And Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.
Jesus brought the Kingdom everywhere He went. He sent the disciples to release the Kingdom. He told the disciples to teach the things He taught. Paul said follow after his pattern as he follows after Christ. When did we stop following the pattern of Christ and being lead by the Spirit of God?
C.
The kingdom of God on the earth is for Israel not the church. The millennial kingdom is in Israel and Christ is seated on the throne of David. All the nations come up to worship at the temple in Jerusalem.
The church rules and reigns with Christ but the kingdom is about Israel and her restoration in the kingdom.
Before we endeavor to correct these errors we need to establish your position on soteriology. I'm still troubled by your comment about salvation on demand.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The church rules and reigns with Christ but the kingdom is about Israel and her restoration in the kingdom.
Before we endeavor to correct these errors we need to establish your position on soteriology. I'm still troubled by your comment about salvation on demand.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The world labeled Christians and put them in boxes so they could minimize them and ridicule them.
I have said none of these things, I have used Scripture for everything I have said. If you have an issue with my Scripture interpretation address it, but please, I am a person not some other person's theology. I am lead by the Spirit of God and Scripture. I always explain everything I believe with Scripture and I address people who believe differently with Scripture. And I address their Scriptures. I ask the same of you.
But if your goal is to simply dimensionalize, define, and ridicule me then that's between you and your God.
I have said none of these things, I have used Scripture for everything I have said. If you have an issue with my Scripture interpretation address it, but please, I am a person not some other person's theology. I am lead by the Spirit of God and Scripture. I always explain everything I believe with Scripture and I address people who believe differently with Scripture. And I address their Scriptures. I ask the same of you.
But if your goal is to simply dimensionalize, define, and ridicule me then that's between you and your God.
My comment about salvation on demand? It was simply that we are not demanding God save us. We are agreeing that He has saved us. He died for the world. He doesn't die again and again. We are agreeing with what the Son of God paid for. And in this way, we are saved. In this moment of conversion, we die to our selves, and are reborn (baptized) in Him.
2 Co 5:14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died.
The Kingdom of God is for all. That's why Paul still talked about it even after being with the Gentiles. And thats why Scripture says the gospel of the Kingdom will preached to all the ends of Earth. And THEN the end will come.
2 Co 5:14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died.
The Kingdom of God is for all. That's why Paul still talked about it even after being with the Gentiles. And thats why Scripture says the gospel of the Kingdom will preached to all the ends of Earth. And THEN the end will come.
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Undergrace - because you seemed to align yourself with the people here who
talked from this loose group, I thought you where part of it before.
Where you aware of how this general theology is agreed to by Hillsong, Vineyard,
Bethel, IHOP, Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer etc. We have had discussions
for years with the people who support these ideas, but superficially appear the same
as traditional theology but actually is a different belief system.
talked from this loose group, I thought you where part of it before.
Where you aware of how this general theology is agreed to by Hillsong, Vineyard,
Bethel, IHOP, Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer etc. We have had discussions
for years with the people who support these ideas, but superficially appear the same
as traditional theology but actually is a different belief system.
The Kingdom of God is the will of God. The Spirit of God is being poured out on all flesh. This is what God is doing in the last days, why wouldn't we obey our Father? Just as Christ only did what He saw His Father say/do? We speak and do what the King is speaking and doing. That's why we are His Body on Earth. We have One Mind in Christ. Holy Spirit.
Cee - unfortunately you are not so gifted that you are not part of a movement.
Some of the theology takes years to slowly build up and create logical and conceptual
links between the ideas.
This is why it is helpful when discussing general approaches to say which school of
theology it is similar to. If you cannot do this, then unfortunately others will do it
for you. I do it to myself, because it helps me know who in general a friend and
can work together in a meaningful way.
Some of the theology takes years to slowly build up and create logical and conceptual
links between the ideas.
This is why it is helpful when discussing general approaches to say which school of
theology it is similar to. If you cannot do this, then unfortunately others will do it
for you. I do it to myself, because it helps me know who in general a friend and
can work together in a meaningful way.
I don't care what some men have taught. I care about what Scripture and the Spirit teach. I am not talking about these men. I am talking about Scripture. You say the Kingdom will not come, but Scripture says the Kingdom of God is in the Holy Spirit. Has Holy Spirit come? I say yes. Scripture says we are to pray for the Kingdom to come, and for His will to be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven. Is that how you pray? It is how I pray.
It is not I who have been unmasked, it is you who have been unmasked. I am simply agreeing with Scripture. Or does that not matter anymore?
It is not I who have been unmasked, it is you who have been unmasked. I am simply agreeing with Scripture. Or does that not matter anymore?
U
Yes it is about redemption in Jesus coming to earth, the kingdom within the believer, not a new kingdom on earth.
Well I have not been unmasked, because I have never aligned myself with any particular doctrine aside from the eternal salvation of the believer and the power of grace to keep us as we abide in Christ.
Well I have not been unmasked, because I have never aligned myself with any particular doctrine aside from the eternal salvation of the believer and the power of grace to keep us as we abide in Christ.
This is the Kingdom of God:
Romans 14:17 For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
And here Jesus talks about power coming upon them:
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
And here the Kingdom is equated by power once again:
1 Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
Paul makes this statement while living on the Earth, addressing his own life. So did Paul live in the Kingdom or did he not? And if Paul did as Scripture teaches, why do you think we don't?
And here Jesus says we are to preach the Kingdom to the ends of the Earth:
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
So when you understand Scripture, this shows us the Kingdom is on Earth, because Holy Spirit is on Earth. Because the Kingdom of God is connected to the will of God. Kingdom is the King's dominion.
The power of God manifests the will of God. That's why it's not talk, but power.
1 Co 2:3And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men[SUP]c[/SUP] but in the power of God.
Does your faith rest in the wisdom and power of God? Or does it rest in the wisdom of men?
Romans 14:17 For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
And here Jesus talks about power coming upon them:
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
And here the Kingdom is equated by power once again:
1 Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
Paul makes this statement while living on the Earth, addressing his own life. So did Paul live in the Kingdom or did he not? And if Paul did as Scripture teaches, why do you think we don't?
And here Jesus says we are to preach the Kingdom to the ends of the Earth:
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
So when you understand Scripture, this shows us the Kingdom is on Earth, because Holy Spirit is on Earth. Because the Kingdom of God is connected to the will of God. Kingdom is the King's dominion.
The power of God manifests the will of God. That's why it's not talk, but power.
1 Co 2:3And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men[SUP]c[/SUP] but in the power of God.
Does your faith rest in the wisdom and power of God? Or does it rest in the wisdom of men?
Cee, stay strong. Cessationism is doubt that manifests itself in a world view that has confirmation bias simply because belief dictates our experience. They say they don't see the Kingdom of God active and yet they do not believe it is active. So is it any wonder they do not experience things of the supernatural? How will they be healed, if they do not believe healing is for today? How will they prophesy if they do not believe prophecy is for today and there is no new revelation (as an excuse to not prophesy hope, encouragement and exhortation into people's lives)?
You see, there is a great irony in all of this. "According to your faith be it unto you." Their experience is dictated by their belief/faith and if they are not taking God at His word, their experience is one that denies Him. God says He provides in His word. Their experience? They think poverty is spiritual, they think money is evil, and they have a disdain for the wealthy. God says He heals all our sickness and diseases through Christ. Their experience? They don't believe healing is for today, they say, "You can't command the Spirit", they say healing is a sign gift or for the apostolic era, and does not happen anymore. So what is their reality? In need of God's deliverance but not believing His willingness to set the captive free.
People need to renew their minds, they need to repent. Believe, and they shall receive. Do they even desire that healing is for today? Prophecy? Signs and wonders and the Kingdom of God manifesting on the earth? If they desire it, they should ask the Lord if it is for today. They might just be surprised what they witness.
You see, there is a great irony in all of this. "According to your faith be it unto you." Their experience is dictated by their belief/faith and if they are not taking God at His word, their experience is one that denies Him. God says He provides in His word. Their experience? They think poverty is spiritual, they think money is evil, and they have a disdain for the wealthy. God says He heals all our sickness and diseases through Christ. Their experience? They don't believe healing is for today, they say, "You can't command the Spirit", they say healing is a sign gift or for the apostolic era, and does not happen anymore. So what is their reality? In need of God's deliverance but not believing His willingness to set the captive free.
People need to renew their minds, they need to repent. Believe, and they shall receive. Do they even desire that healing is for today? Prophecy? Signs and wonders and the Kingdom of God manifesting on the earth? If they desire it, they should ask the Lord if it is for today. They might just be surprised what they witness.