[QUOTE="ForestGreenCook, post: 4905469, member: 272369"Believing is not the cause of eternal deliverance. [/QUOTE]
Don't be ridiculous and anti-bible.
Salvation:
Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.
Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 16:31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Rom 10:9, 10 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for
salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been
saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that
leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
Eternal Life:
John 3:15-16 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
1 Tim 1:16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise
by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
If you are already delivered eternally by God's sovereign grace, understanding the gospel can deliver you, as you sojourn here on earth,from ignorance of what Christ has done for you on the cross.
As I have told you before, if you apply all of the salvations (deliverance)scriptures to eternal deliverance, they will teach eternal deliverance is accomplished by man's works
All the verses I quoted above REFUTE your anti-biblical ideas.
and I am afraid that is why you are trying to make the natural man to understand spiritual things in order to save himself.
Read the verses I quoted. They are from the Bible, and you reject what they say.
I do believe Paul's answer.
That's impossible. Paul the jailer that he would be SAVED eternally by believing in Jesus Christ. So don't tell me you believe Paul's answer.
His answer REFUTES your claims.
You are applying his answer to be delivered to eternal deliverance[/QUTOE]
That is exactly what the jailer was asking about. Don't you know the story of the jailer and WHY he even asked that question?
16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling.
17 She followed Paul and the rest of us,
shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.”
18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
v.17 obviously indicates that she was mocking Paul and his companions. Though she was telling the truth, there is no way any demon possessed person would say such a thing seriously. She was mocking and making fun of them.
v.18 she continued this for 'many days', so no doubt many if not most of the people in that city were aware of what she was shouting about Paul and company.
So the jailer understood what she was saying. After the earthquake, and Paul staying in the jail, he realized that Paul did have a message to understand.
when actually Paul is speaking of a deliverance the born again jailer can receive here in this world,
What kind of "a deliverance" are you speaking of? And do you SERIOUSLY think that the jailer was already born again? On what basis?
by understanding the gospel.
This is what must be believed in order to be saved eternally.
Apparently you never read, or you have but reject Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of
the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
This verse is very clear. The gospel message is that Christ died for our sins, and those who believe in Him receive eternal life, which is eternal salvation.
The gospel does reveal how his elect (those that his Father gave him) were delivered eternally on the cross.
Please quote any verse that teaches that people are eteranlly saved on the cross. iow, a verse that tells us that Christ died ONLY FOR the "elect".
The gospel does not instruct a person what he must do to get eternal deliverance.
Ok, just tell me HOW a person receives eternal salvation.
