Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

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gb9

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I know that is what it being taught by Christianity. But Jesus didn't teach that the Pharisees were "following the letter of the Law". He taught just the opposite.

In fact, there is not one place in the New Testament where Jesus ever suggested, implied, or otherwise instructed us that the Pharisees were "obedient" to God Laws, honored God's Laws, were striving to follow God's Laws, Loved God, Glorified God, respected God. Nothing, it isn't there, He never said any of these things. He said the opposite.

Yet, the religion I was born into seems to disregard this Biblical truth and for some reason teaches against what Jesus taught regarding the Pharisees.

There was mention of one Levite who did Honor God, Love God, Strive to obey God, Glorify God. His name was Zechariahs. It might be prudent to note that Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came, yet the Pharisees, including Saul, did not. There is a stark difference between how the Bible describes Zechariahs and his relationship with God and how the Bible describes the Pharisees and their relationship.

This "Christian Tradition" of preaching the Pharisees were following God's Laws has always been a great frustration to me given the Bible teaches the opposite. I have tried many times to open a discussion, have a conversation regarding this, but have found out that religious tradition is, in many folks mind, more precious than Biblical truth.

I think this was also a huge problem with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time as well.
except Jesus said the Pharisees were sear searching the Scriptures. except Paul said, while on trial in Acts 26, that he was a Pharisee, the strictest set of the jewish religion.


so, you are correct that the Pharisees were not following Torah. they thought they were , but had piled so many other laws " the traditions of the elders " , that the intent of the originals was lost.
 

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Matthew 28 v.1 " after the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week....."

so, there. another Hebrew roots/ sda deception exposed.
That expression—was risen—is the sole basis for the idea that Christ
was resurrected on Sunday morning—yet it says nothing of the sort!

Why does it matter? Because Jesus Christ staked His claim to being your Savior
on the fact that He would remain in the grave for three full days and nights.

When it comes to the Easter sunrise service, however, there is no scriptural testimony to observe
that man-made holiday. Encyclopedias point out, the Easter tradition for Christians began with
“the words of the ancient Nicene Creed”—not with the Bible.The tradition actually has its roots
in paganism, following customs that began long before Christ ever lived.


The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly admits that “the apostolic fathers do not mention it”
(article “Easter”).
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the fact that there were two “sabbaths” that week.

“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre” (Matthew 28:1).

The King James, along with just about every other Bible version, translates the first part of
this verse, “In the end of the sabbath” or “after the sabbath.” But if you study the Greek text,
the word for sabbath is actually plural! “After the sabbaths,” it should read.
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Mark 16:1 says Mary Magdalene and her companions bought spices “when the sabbath was past.”
They were planning to prepare these ointments and spices so that they might anoint the body of Jesus.

Yet Luke 23:56 says they prepared these spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath day.
Compare these two texts carefully,Christ inspired four different Gospel accounts to be written.
 

Studyman

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#83
well, according to your conspiracy theories , the Word is corrupted . so, when anyone points out Scripture that you cannot bend to your oneness lies, you just say that the Scripture was interpreted wrong.

so, you see, this game you play is rigged so you always win.
I'm not ashamed of my belief that Jesus does not lie, and that we are to be at one with Him. I also know that Jesus always wins in the end, and if I attach my mind to Him, if I follow His instructions, I will win as well.

He said I would be hated for taking this stance. Your continual scorn is proof positive once again, that He is truly the Christ. For this I thank you, it is an incredible Faith builder for me to see the Word's of the Living God alive and well today.

Heb. 12:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,(Examples of faith) let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;(He won His Race, if I follow Him, I will win mine) who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
 

gb9

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#84
That expression—was risen—is the sole basis for the idea that Christ
was resurrected on Sunday morning—yet it says nothing of the sort!

Why does it matter? Because Jesus Christ staked His claim to being your Savior
on the fact that He would remain in the grave for three full days and nights.

When it comes to the Easter sunrise service, however, there is no scriptural testimony to observe
that man-made holiday. Encyclopedias point out, the Easter tradition for Christians began with
“the words of the ancient Nicene Creed”—not with the Bible.The tradition actually has its roots
in paganism, following customs that began long before Christ ever lived.


The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly admits that “the apostolic fathers do not mention it”
(article “Easter”).
-

the fact that there were two “sabbaths” that week.

“In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre” (Matthew 28:1).

The King James, along with just about every other Bible version, translates the first part of
this verse, “In the end of the sabbath” or “after the sabbath.” But if you study the Greek text,
the word for sabbath is actually plural! “After the sabbaths,” it should read.
-

Mark 16:1 says Mary Magdalene and her companions bought spices “when the sabbath was past.”
They were planning to prepare these ointments and spices so that they might anoint the body of Jesus.

Yet Luke 23:56 says they prepared these spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath day.
Compare these two texts carefully,Christ inspired four different Gospel accounts to be written.
the word dawn, with the greek meaning, basically the meaning of the English word, is used in Matthew.

and, to be honest, I have studied the Jesus was crucified on a wed., the Pharisees were devil worshipers, etc..., and I could see some maybes .

but, you and other Hebrew roots/ sda folks, you use these things, which are possible, to point back to the law of Moses and keeping the Sabbath for Christians, which is 100% not true.
 

gb9

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#85
I'm not ashamed of my belief that Jesus does not lie, and that we are to be at one with Him. I also know that Jesus always wins in the end, and if I attach my mind to Him, if I follow His instructions, I will win as well.

He said I would be hated for taking this stance. Your continual scorn is proof positive once again, that He is truly the Christ. For this I thank you, it is an incredible Faith builder for me to see the Word's of the Living God alive and well today.

Heb. 12:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,(Examples of faith) let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;(He won His Race, if I follow Him, I will win mine) who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
I do not scorn you. I do not like you, but I respect you. you are the best false teacher I have ever interacted with. you have your stuff together. you have been at this a long time. i'm sure you have twisted many's theology into knots.

but, see, here is a fact about me you do not know. I went to church as a youth, then stopped at age 16. I began to read the Bible, all the way through, over and over, at age 26. I accepted Christ, and read the Bible pretty much every day. I did not sit under anyone' s teaching for many years, and went to several different churches , and found mostly man-made religious non-sense.

I have found a church home I like, but I check all that any say.

so, see, I . much like you, do not agree with a lot of mainstream Christanity. I have read the whole Bible many times, as I am sure you have.

so, I have not sat under teaching to learn, I already learned , then sat under teaching that furthered that knowledge that God gave me.

but, you teach oneness ( lie ), and turning jewish to be a Christian ( lie ). so, that is why I oppose you.

so, no, I have not been " corrupted by catholic traditions".
 

Studyman

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#86
except Jesus said the Pharisees were sear searching the Scriptures. except Paul said, while on trial in Acts 26, that he was a Pharisee, the strictest set of the jewish religion.


so, you are correct that the Pharisees were not following Torah. they thought they were , but had piled so many other laws " the traditions of the elders " , that the intent of the originals was lost.
Yes, and when God sent prophets to straighten them out they killed them, and when He sent His own Son to straighten them out, they killed Him as well.

They had also omitted the "weightier" matter of the Law. So they omitted/rejected important parts of God's Laws and "Added" other Laws that were "Commandments of Men". They created their own "Righteousness" as Paul wrote.

And they called them "the Law of Moses".

But it wasn't. They had corrupted God's Laws, His Holy Days and His Sabbaths to the point when Jesus and Paul taught the true Law and Prophets it was so foreign they thought Jesus was a devil and Paul was "mad" and they called the true teaching of the Old Testament "Heresy" as Paul describes in Acts 24.

It might be prudent to come to terms with what spirit would influence these religious people to do such things. When you do, it explains why Jesus said their father was the devil, not God.

Zechariahs didn't do this.
 

Studyman

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#87
I do not scorn you. I do not like you, but I respect you. you are the best false teacher I have ever interacted with. you have your stuff together. you have been at this a long time. i'm sure you have twisted many's theology into knots.

but, see, here is a fact about me you do not know. I went to church as a youth, then stopped at age 16. I began to read the Bible, all the way through, over and over, at age 26. I accepted Christ, and read the Bible pretty much every day. I did not sit under anyone' s teaching for many years, and went to several different churches , and found mostly man-made religious non-sense.

I have found a church home I like, but I check all that any say.

so, see, I . much like you, do not agree with a lot of mainstream Christanity. I have read the whole Bible many times, as I am sure you have.

This is great G9. Not the part about you saying you don't "scorn" me, then in the next breath call me a false teacher, LOL.

But the part about "man-made religious non-sense".

Don't you believe you should warn your brothers about them? Please share with me what these "man-made religious nonsense are so we can learn, and not be deceived by them.

I never knew you were onto the man made religious non-sense because you never mention anything except about your disagreement with the scriptures I post.

So you once said the Pope was also a false teacher, and Catholics followed a false religion. I asked at that time for you to enlighten us with the particulars of your judgment, but you declined. Maybe now you can help us all by sharing your knowledge of their false religion, as well as the "man made religious non-sense" you encountered in the "different churches".

I am excited to hear about them.
 

Studyman

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#88
the word dawn, with the greek meaning, basically the meaning of the English word, is used in Matthew.

and, to be honest, I have studied the Jesus was crucified on a wed., the Pharisees were devil worshipers, etc..., and I could see some maybes .

but, you and other Hebrew roots/ sda folks, you use these things, which are possible, to point back to the law of Moses and keeping the Sabbath for Christians, which is 100% not true.
When a man picks up his cross, denies himself and follows the Christ, it shouldn't matter where He leads them. Even if He leads them away from mainstream religious tradition.
 

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If you wish to go strictly by the Bible, there are NO CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS (the word being derived from "holy days"). However the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) is the Christian sabbath -- for rest, worship, and good works.
It is sadly ironic that you are correct in your first sentence, and incorrect in your second. Nowhere does Scripture clearly identify the first day of the week as the Christian sabbath. Neither does it identify such as the day for rest, nor for good works. Christianity is an all-day-every-day faith.

To the thread topic as a whole, it is certainly sad that so many "Christian holidays" are deeply infested with paganism. That doesn't mean that Christians cannot or should not celebrate the birth of Christ and His resurrection. It does mean that we should be discerning in what we adopt as part of our celebrations. I think it's also worthwhile mentioning that because Scripture does not detail how we are to celebrate "Christian holidays" (as it does for Jewish "holidays") that there is freedom to do so (or not) as we each, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, see fit. Perhaps we should all read--and apply--Romans 14.
 

gb9

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this is for studyman. new system, and me, not yet friends.

I do stand against man- made religion. including yours.

you have no authority over anything. yet, in the most arrogant fashion I have ever seen, on here, you proclaim you have the truth, you know how to be a proper follower of Christ, we are all deceived , then you want us to explain how to reconcile our theology with your " truth " .

so, no , I will not be answering any questions for you to twist into the oneness, O.T. and N. T. are the same, we have to keep the Law , sabbaths, and feasts , lie that you push.

when you stop dis-believing God the Father, who said of Jesus the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. hear HIM!, and start obeying that command, I will have answers for you.
that means the words in red. not the Torah. that means the Sermon on the Mount, not Sinai.

so, when you replace the truth on Trinity, the O.T. and N.T. being different, and Christanity not being ancient Judaism , I will have answers for you.

until then, I call out your rigged, man-made garbage you call religion out.
 

Studyman

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this is for studyman. new system, and me, not yet friends.

I do stand against man- made religion. including yours.

you have no authority over anything. yet, in the most arrogant fashion I have ever seen, on here, you proclaim you have the truth, you know how to be a proper follower of Christ, we are all deceived , then you want us to explain how to reconcile our theology with your " truth " .

so, no , I will not be answering any questions for you to twist into the oneness, O.T. and N. T. are the same, we have to keep the Law , sabbaths, and feasts , lie that you push.

when you stop dis-believing God the Father, who said of Jesus the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. hear HIM!, and start obeying that command, I will have answers for you.
that means the words in red. not the Torah. that means the Sermon on the Mount, not Sinai.

so, when you replace the truth on Trinity, the O.T. and N.T. being different, and Christanity not being ancient Judaism , I will have answers for you.

until then, I call out your rigged, man-made garbage you call religion out.
Yes,

Paul had the same trouble with the mainstream preachers of his time who made false accusation about him as well. I find his respense better than anything I could come up with.

Acts 24:
13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
 

Studyman

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this is for studyman. new system, and me, not yet friends.

I do stand against man- made religion. including yours.

you have no authority over anything. yet, in the most arrogant fashion I have ever seen, on here, you proclaim you have the truth, you know how to be a proper follower of Christ, we are all deceived , then you want us to explain how to reconcile our theology with your " truth " .

so, no , I will not be answering any questions for you to twist into the oneness, O.T. and N. T. are the same, we have to keep the Law , sabbaths, and feasts , lie that you push.

when you stop dis-believing God the Father, who said of Jesus the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. hear HIM!, and start obeying that command, I will have answers for you.
that means the words in red. not the Torah. that means the Sermon on the Mount, not Sinai.

so, when you replace the truth on Trinity, the O.T. and N.T. being different, and Christanity not being ancient Judaism , I will have answers for you.

until then, I call out your rigged, man-made garbage you call religion out.
Thank you for this G9. It perfectly represents the mindset of Mainstream preachers in Christ's time and our time.

To date to have accused the JW, Mormons, SDA, Catholics, Hebrew Roots, along with. and I quote;

"and went to several different churches , and found mostly man-made religious non-sense."

And I don't belong to any of these organizations, yet you also accuse me of being a false teachers with man made traditions, because I believe in the Word's of the Word which became Flesh in regards to some of His Commandments you reject..

I have personally asked you several times for any back up of these accusations you make to everyone who doesn't follow your religious traditions. But each time you continue to insult and ridicule and accuse so many people, yet you refuse to give even one Biblical reason or evidence to support your condemnation.

I am happy you shopped for a church long enough to find one that gives you what you want to hear.

"I have found a church home I like, but I check all that any say."

I fear that the church you have found is not healthy, in that it promotes the accusation and insults of all other beliefs with absolutely zero evidence nor even a minor attempt to explain why ALL these people are against Jesus and only you are for Him,.

I thought we are to Love our neighbors and if we see them naked and destitute of daily food, we do something, not just call them names in condemnation.

Jesus exposed truth about the mainstream religion He was born into by comparing their doctrines with the Word's and teaching of His Father.

You condemn peoples beliefs, with nothing but scorn and insults. I say this in the hope that maybe you will stop looking at the perceived faults in others, and maybe look in a mirror once. After all, isn't that the reason for "Instruction in righteousness"?

If God has revealed to you that ALL these religions are bad and yours is good, Shouldn't you try and help your brothers who have been deceived by all those "false teachers" and explain why you condemn them?
 

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#93
Here is a picture of your typical sunrise service for Easter Sunday:

Eze. 8:15, 16 "Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east."

Are you sure this pleases God?


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gb9

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Thank you for this G9. It perfectly represents the mindset of Mainstream preachers in Christ's time and our time.

To date to have accused the JW, Mormons, SDA, Catholics, Hebrew Roots, along with. and I quote;

"and went to several different churches , and found mostly man-made religious non-sense."

And I don't belong to any of these organizations, yet you also accuse me of being a false teachers with man made traditions, because I believe in the Word's of the Word which became Flesh in regards to some of His Commandments you reject..

I have personally asked you several times for any back up of these accusations you make to everyone who doesn't follow your religious traditions. But each time you continue to insult and ridicule and accuse so many people, yet you refuse to give even one Biblical reason or evidence to support your condemnation.

I am happy you shopped for a church long enough to find one that gives you what you want to hear.

"I have found a church home I like, but I check all that any say."

I fear that the church you have found is not healthy, in that it promotes the accusation and insults of all other beliefs with absolutely zero evidence nor even a minor attempt to explain why ALL these people are against Jesus and only you are for Him,.

I thought we are to Love our neighbors and if we see them naked and destitute of daily food, we do something, not just call them names in condemnation.

Jesus exposed truth about the mainstream religion He was born into by comparing their doctrines with the Word's and teaching of His Father.

You condemn peoples beliefs, with nothing but scorn and insults. I say this in the hope that maybe you will stop looking at the perceived faults in others, and maybe look in a mirror once. After all, isn't that the reason for "Instruction in righteousness"?

If God has revealed to you that ALL these religions are bad and yours is good, Shouldn't you try and help your brothers who have been deceived by all those "false teachers" and explain why you condemn them?
let me try some common ground.

you and I agree about what the Talmud says about Jesus. why? because it is there. it is written it. easily provable.

so, why can we not do the same about God's word? because we see the same things in vastly different ways.

you seem to see oneness. I see trinity . you see keeping the Law/Sabbath as part of salvation. I see salvation by God's grace and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ.

you claim the Jeremiah 31 covenant. I say the Abrahamic covenant.

so, how can I do anything to help you, especially when you dismiss historians and Scholars and say the Scriptures have been corrupted ?

what does it matter if I attempt to give you Scripture, when you dismiss it with saying it is corrupted?

I do not claim to have all the answers . I can say " I do not know ". can you?
 
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If we are not to keep Gods command how do we explain these?

Revelation 22:14,15
14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

John 14:15
15. If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 7:14-18
14. Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught. 15. And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned? 16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Jesus and his disciples kept the feast so why don't we?

Just to name a few. There is much more scripture to support this so why do men say not to observe biblical holidays?
 
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I will be the first to admit I'm not a highly educated person. Kinda simple minded. Would it be right to assume that we should'nt need a doctrine in theology to understand Gods word? Isn't it as simple as it looks?
Gods commands are not burdensome
here are the ones that I see we can Keep today not being in the Land and not having a temple.
-Stay away from Idolatry ie. Christmas , Easter, ect...
-Observe biblical Feast days and Sabbath
-Tzitzit
-Unclean foods
They are really not hard
they are things that keep us closer to the Father Yeshua(Jesus) and each other.
 

prove-all

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There is much more scripture to support this so why do men say not to observe biblical holidays?
Romans 8:7 (NKJV)
Because the carnal mind is [enmity] against God;
for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.


ἔχθρα
echthra
ekh'-thrah
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.
 

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OK I'm going to make a bold statement, It is NOT my intent to offend anyone or imply anyone is a pagan. Just to get us to think about whats going on. Knowing the origins of Easter https://www.britannica.com/topic/Easter-holiday
How can we celibate Easter when it is clearly a pagan practice not seeing anything about eggs and bunny's in the Bible?
Isn't it a replay of the golden calf incident? They where not worshiping the calf. They where worshiping God with the calf.
"Aron said let us make a feast to the LORD" paraphrasing.
What's not to like about Easter? I'm down with the jelly beans and marshmallow Peeps. Easter is the next best thing to Halloween. Gonna bite the ear off the chocolate bunny too 'cause that's what I do.
 

gb9

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I will be the first to admit I'm not a highly educated person. Kinda simple minded. Would it be right to assume that we should'nt need a doctrine in theology to understand Gods word? Isn't it as simple as it looks?
Gods commands are not burdensome
here are the ones that I see we can Keep today not being in the Land and not having a temple.
-Stay away from Idolatry ie. Christmas , Easter, ect...
-Observe biblical Feast days and Sabbath
-Tzitzit
-Unclean foods
They are really not hard
they are things that keep us closer to the Father Yeshua(Jesus) and each other.
but, these things you mention are fine to keep if you choose to do so. but, keep in mind, gentiles were never under the Law of Moses, so were never commanded to keep the Sabbath, keep the dietary laws, or the tzizit . Acts 15 does not instruct the gentiles to do so.

so, if you understand that the only thing required to get into the Kingdom is faith and belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior, and you choose to keep those , fine. but you should not in any way tell others they have to, ( you mentioned idols, that is a no no) , but other than that, gentiles were not given these commands.
 

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Would it be right to assume that we should'nt need a doctrine in theology to understand Gods word?
Make that "a doctorate" and you would be perfectly correct.

However you are IN GRAVE ERROR regarding these:

-Observe biblical Feast days and Sabbath
-Tzitzit
-Unclean foods


You are trying to revive the Old Covenant, and God will have none of it. That is why there is no temple in Jerusalem. If that is not a lesson in itself, then you will not learn any New Covenant lessons.

You are free to return to Judaism if that is what you prefer, but Christianity and Judaism are poles apart.