Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible
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ohzone, when someone ________________________________________________________________ and comes back from being 'heart dead' or whatever you medically call it, who has brought them back from the 'dead' in that situation ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ?
Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect?
Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ?
Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect? Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
ohzone, when someone ________________________________________________________________ and comes back from being 'heart dead' or whatever you medically call it, who has brought them back from the 'dead' in that situation ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ? Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect?
Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ?
Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect? Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
you don't understand the issue, and i'm not posting scripture and church history to counter your opinions. it never works.
you just start a new thread trying to find a new angle.
believe what you like.
zone
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I still don't know why the hyper faith healers don't just go and empty out all the hospitals in their sphere of influence.
Well I know why.
It's because even they don't believe what they're saying.
Because when pressed to that challenge, even they agree it has to do with God's timing or will, and isn't just about their ability to go out and do it.
Unfortunately that admission only lasts a short time, then they revert back to saying healing rests on our ability to believe only.
Well I know why.
It's because even they don't believe what they're saying.
Because when pressed to that challenge, even they agree it has to do with God's timing or will, and isn't just about their ability to go out and do it.
Unfortunately that admission only lasts a short time, then they revert back to saying healing rests on our ability to believe only.
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ohzone, when someone ________________________________________________________________ and comes back from being 'heart dead' or whatever you medically call it, who has brought them back from the 'dead' in that situation ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ? Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect?
Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
Do you think a doctor could be a Christian ?
Do you think they could be praying over that person, do you think God hears our prayers, that our prayers we make to Him, that others make for us in intercession have an effect? Do you like the word 'intercession,' ohzone ?
But, if that person is just doing the Lord's work people are being healed. And, a person in a wheelchair gets up and starts walking, then, no one truly knowsd but that person who got up out of that chair and God.
All EVERY ONE else can do is have faith (or not) in that person having truly been brought out of that chair by the Power.who is God and who works through us by His Spirit who we both can agree is IN us, teaching us all Truth, revealing 'it' too
The Lord leads, ohzone
Let's just agree that when someone 'flatlines,' some One brings them back. Now, does He use people to bring people back:? We don't know. Some ones think they know because Scripture tellls them, but does that tell everybody else? No. It tells you. So, we can agree, I think, that God is the one who works through people. the healing people have ZERO power and benny hinn and whoever else you post that does say they are a HEALER without God working through them is crooked and false teaching.
But, if that person is just doing the Lord's work people are being healed. And, a person in a wheelchair gets up and starts walking, then, no one truly knowsd but that person who got up out of that chair and God.
All EVERY ONE else can do is have faith (or not) in that person having truly been brought out of that chair by the Power.who is God and who works through us by His Spirit who we both can agree is IN us, teaching us all Truth, revealing 'it' too
The Lord leads, ohzone
But, if that person is just doing the Lord's work people are being healed. And, a person in a wheelchair gets up and starts walking, then, no one truly knowsd but that person who got up out of that chair and God.
All EVERY ONE else can do is have faith (or not) in that person having truly been brought out of that chair by the Power.who is God and who works through us by His Spirit who we both can agree is IN us, teaching us all Truth, revealing 'it' too
The Lord leads, ohzone
or are you just posting ideas?
it's a waste of time without some point of reference.
GOD HEALS. we KNOW this....we pray - according to His will, and He heals - according to His will.
sometimes He doesn't - is ANYONE here about to blame Him, or others if He doesn't?
why can't we just let God be God and go on about having some FAITH regardless of what we see happening (or not happening as is more specifically the case with all these - I HEALED A HEADACHE miracles)
if there are people who are non-healer-healers the Lord works specifically through...as Still keeps asking.....
will.......they.....please: go to hospitals and get ON WITH IT.
until then, there's a whole lot of typing going on and NO PROOF
I'm just curious as to how you post people on the Internet? Are you looking for the testimony of witnesses?
Jesus said things like 'according to your faith be it unto you' and this passage from Mark 9
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
(NIV)
He told the disciples they could not cast it out because of their unbelief.
But, no, I don't go around telling people they aren't healed because of unbelief. It doesn't make sense for the one doing the praying to say that, since the prayer of faith shall save the sick.
That's the problem with many cessationists. I see the same theme in your posts. You haven't seen certain things and don't believe in them. I've never seen anyone raised from the dead, but I believe God can and will do it. I believe it happens from time to time and that some reports of it are real. My wife has a testimony about that and may have done it before I met her.
Again, you can do your own research to find the proof. You should have a biblical standard of evidence instead of expecting everything you seek to be on YouTube. There are plenty of videos of healings on YouTube if you searc yourself if that is what you are looking for.
You could take your own advice and apply it to healing, miracles and other gifts, "having some FAITH regardless of what we see happening"
Jesus said things like 'according to your faith be it unto you' and this passage from Mark 9
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
(NIV)
He told the disciples they could not cast it out because of their unbelief.
But, no, I don't go around telling people they aren't healed because of unbelief. It doesn't make sense for the one doing the praying to say that, since the prayer of faith shall save the sick.
That's the problem with many cessationists. I see the same theme in your posts. You haven't seen certain things and don't believe in them. I've never seen anyone raised from the dead, but I believe God can and will do it. I believe it happens from time to time and that some reports of it are real. My wife has a testimony about that and may have done it before I met her.
Again, you can do your own research to find the proof. You should have a biblical standard of evidence instead of expecting everything you seek to be on YouTube. There are plenty of videos of healings on YouTube if you searc yourself if that is what you are looking for.
You could take your own advice and apply it to healing, miracles and other gifts, "having some FAITH regardless of what we see happening"
Do you have specific cases where you know the person being healed had not faith? I can't think of any I don't know if they all had saving faith for their souls. Maybe since you don't believe in modern day miracles the topic doesn't interest you as much and you don't pay as much attention when you hear the Gospel or hear the accounts in the gospels applied to healing in sermons and things like that.
But off the top of my head, I'll give you some examples.
When Jesus was going to raise Jairus' daughter, consider the faith of the woman with the issue of blood. She said if she could just touch the hem of his garment, she would be healed and it happened. Jesus sensed virtue go out from Him. When they arrived at the house and people said the girl was dead, Jesus told Jairus not to be afraid, but to believe.
What did Jesus' say to Lazarus' sister before raising him from the dead, that if she believed she would see the power of God.
I am not saying that it was always the faith of the one being healed. When the Syro-Phoenecian woman commented on the dogs eating the crumbs that fell from the children's table, Jesus said great is her faith and healed her daughter. The men who brought the lame man to Jesus through the roof had faith. After Jesus saw their faith, He spoke the words through whom the man was healed. Whether the man had faith or not Jesus saw 'their' faith. Some people struggled with faith. The father of the boy who the disciples could not cast the demon out of said "Lord, I believe. Help thou mine unbelief."
The one ministering in healing can have faith, too, because 'the prayer of faith shall save the sick.' I can't show you every time that someone was healed that he had faith, but I can't think of any scriptures that show specifically someone not having faith or being filled with unbelief and being healed. Can you show me a verse where it says no one believed, but He healed anyway? It wouldn't tear a hole in my understanding of theology. I see a general pattern of healing in response to faith based on numerous examples.
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I'm truly only partially, very indirectly, talking about the healers, I mean, they voice the words, but God does the work.
So, ohzone, who am I speaking of ? The healed.
Those who get out of there wheelchairs . They have the testimony that is unbelievable, but, through faith, I MUST believe, because I have faith in Him I am not being condescending, mind you, this is speaking MY FAITH in Him, the way I believe, per Scripture Philipians 3
These boldface words speak of faith in Hijm, to gain Christ I MUST believe that my knowledge of His Word and His ways working in Scripture through His Son really happen today based on empiric evidence, that is, what I see with my own eyes and what I hear with my own ears that is going on ALL OVER the world today and has all my life.
So, ohzone, who am I speaking of ? The healed.
Those who get out of there wheelchairs . They have the testimony that is unbelievable, but, through faith, I MUST believe, because I have faith in Him
I am not being condescending, mind you, this is speaking MY FAITH in Him, the way I believe, per Scripture Philipians 3 These boldface words speak of faith in Hijm, to gain Christ
I MUST believe that my knowledge of His Word and His ways working in Scripture through His Son really happen today based on empiric evidence, that is, what I see with my own eyes and what I hear with my own ears that is going on ALL OVER the world today and has all my life. Christian Chat Forum Times
September 2013
BEGGAR LAME FROM BIRTH STANDS UP,
WALKS, THEN LEAPS ABOUT!
September 2013
BEGGAR LAME FROM BIRTH STANDS UP,
WALKS, THEN LEAPS ABOUT!
photo: Mr. Beggar astounds the world.
SomePlace (CP): Witnesses today expressed amazement at Mr. Beggar, 40, who without warning and defying all explanation jumped out of the wheelchair he'd been confined to all his life.
"He was lame and paralyzed from birth", the 40 year old man's mother said. "There was no possibility he would ever walk. he never walked or moved his legs a day in his life. we carried him everywhere he went, he never moved a muscle, and his legs were atrophied beyond cure"
The story has gone viral around the world as people seek to find out how Mr. Beggar defied what was a hopeless condition.
Doctors from around the world are currently examining the man, and all medical records to find some explanation for this unprecedented incident.
Dr. Janjay Kupta said medical professionals have no explanation for this amazing phenomenon. "We've looked at the records, examined the history, and there's no question the man was born completely lame 40 years ago, and we've never seen another case like it."
Some people interviewed said they had previously seen the man begging for money on a street corner, when two men passed by. Mr. Beggar apparently asked them for money, but one of the unknown men said "Gold and silver have i none, but what i have, i give to you". What they said after that has not yet been confirmed.
"The next thing we knew", said Mr. Beggar's friend, "was Old Lame was just out of that chair and gone! I can't believe it! I can't believe it! IT'S A MIRACLE"
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update: Doctors and experts around the world have determined this is nothing short of a miracle. though many have said they can not and will not attribute such a phenomenon to a God, many who witnessed the event have said they have NO DOUBT this was an Act of God.
GOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
we're not in Judea without the internet and TV presidente.
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All this fuss. I have personally received the gift of tongues and have been healed of asthma. I am positive that no devil or demon gave it to me. The devil is a roaring lion, seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. I am not perfect, but I do my best, with my faith planted surely in the cross. when i mess up the Holy spirit shows me where my faith looked to myself and not the cross. that is the only way a believer can fail by not putting faith in the cross. With your faith firmly in the cross and seeking God with an open mind, you to may find yourself speaking in tongues. It is a gift and Paul said( by the Holy Spirit) to seek the gifts. The problem comes in where people put their faith in the gift and not the cross. But, God is not an indian giver ( sorry Indians nothing against you and I shouldn't have used that term) He does not take gifts back and a person can be in extreme error and still operate in the gift. Which gives the gift a bad name. you say who can this happen. Many so called christians have given christianity a bad name. Remember, the Holy Spirit is perfect gentlemen and will not over ride your free will.
John 9
1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6Having said these things, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud 7and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
8The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar were saying, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” 9Some said, “It is he.” Others said, “No, but he is like him.” He kept saying, “I am the man.” 10So they said to him, “Then how were your eyes opened?” 11He answered, “The man called Jesus made mud and anointed my eyes and said to me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.’ So I went and washed and received my sight.” 12They said to him, “Where is he?” He said, “I do not know.”
13They brought to the Pharisees the man who had formerly been blind. 14Now it was a Sabbath day when Jesus made the mud and opened his eyes. 15So the Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight. And he said to them, “He put mud on my eyes, and I washed, and I see.” 16Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them. 17So they said again to the blind man, “What do you say about him, since he has opened your eyes?” He said, “He is a prophet.”
18The Jews did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight, until they called the parents of the man who had received his sight 19and asked them, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” 20His parents answered, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21But how he now sees we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him; he is of age. He will speak for himself.” 22(His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesusa to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.) 23Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”
24So for the second time they called the man who had been blind and said to him, “Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner.” 25He answered, “Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.” 26They said to him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” 27He answered them, “I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become his disciples?” 28And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. 29We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he comes from.” 30The man answered, “Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. 32Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34They answered him, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” And they cast him out.
35Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”b 36He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?”
37Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?” 41Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt;c but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.
no indication the man had faith he would be healed - AT ALL.
HEALED FIRST.
he didn't even know who Jesus was.
1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6Having said these things, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud 7and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
8The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar were saying, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” 9Some said, “It is he.” Others said, “No, but he is like him.” He kept saying, “I am the man.” 10So they said to him, “Then how were your eyes opened?” 11He answered, “The man called Jesus made mud and anointed my eyes and said to me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.’ So I went and washed and received my sight.” 12They said to him, “Where is he?” He said, “I do not know.”
13They brought to the Pharisees the man who had formerly been blind. 14Now it was a Sabbath day when Jesus made the mud and opened his eyes. 15So the Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight. And he said to them, “He put mud on my eyes, and I washed, and I see.” 16Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them. 17So they said again to the blind man, “What do you say about him, since he has opened your eyes?” He said, “He is a prophet.”
18The Jews did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight, until they called the parents of the man who had received his sight 19and asked them, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” 20His parents answered, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21But how he now sees we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him; he is of age. He will speak for himself.” 22(His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesusa to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.) 23Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”
24So for the second time they called the man who had been blind and said to him, “Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner.” 25He answered, “Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.” 26They said to him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” 27He answered them, “I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become his disciples?” 28And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. 29We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he comes from.” 30The man answered, “Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. 32Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34They answered him, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” And they cast him out.
35Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”b 36He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?”
37Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?” 41Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt;c but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.
no indication the man had faith he would be healed - AT ALL.
HEALED FIRST.
he didn't even know who Jesus was.
K
In fact, we had a lady visit our church and we have these cards that we give to visitors if they raise their hand when we ask " are there any visitors with us today". She raised her hand and we gave her our visitors package and she filled out the card. Which she stated that she would like a visitation. So a brother and went to her house and when we got there she was drunk, obviously drunk. So we asked what she had need of and she said "please pray for my dog. He has cancer". We looked at each other and my brother said " Mame we will pray for your dog if you will let us pray for you as well". She said" okay". We prayed for the dog and then prayed for her. A month later, she returned to church and got saved and is no longer a drunk. Her testimony was " God healed my dog, so I knew he could heal me and He did". True story. She later got filled with Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.