Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

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Let’s take your view for a moment, shall we. In the future, you stop believing in Christ and walk away from the faith never to return. Would that be God’s plan for you?

One more question...why pray? If everything has already been determined, then why pray for a sick loved one?
Every plant the Father has not planted will be rooted up.
 

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THIS is where you have it SO wrong brother. Just because we disagree on this issue does NOT mean we are divided.
We are certainly divided on this issue.

The way we speak to each other here suggest we are, but my pastor believes as you do and I believe that I am exactly were I am because God put me there.
God does not give some people some beliefs and others contradictory beliefs. God wants all to believe the same thing (1 Cor 1:10).

For His glory, not any of our "rightness".
Contradictory doctrines cannot both be for God's glory. God wants us to know the truth. There are not contradictory truths concerning a particular point of doctrine.

No need for division at all that I see. If we get this idea that any little disagreement is a ":mad:DIVISION:mad:" out of our heads, and we might even be able to discuss with each other without looking like enemies to each other to the rest of the world looking in. I don't know how you can make divisions here with brothers the Lord has spiritually resurrected, and reconciled to the Father over a disagreement.
What would you call it then?

Are you suggesting we can't be saved if we disagree with you on this matter?
Of course not.

I believe once I ask it like this you'll agree at least somewhat. I hope anyway.
I believe most everyone here is a Christian. On that I think we can agree. In that sense we have unity. But I believe that if we disagree on something, it's not God's doing. He wants us to know the truth. He would not give me one truth, and you another truth that contradicts what I believe.
 
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It's not an analogy. Did god create the car wreck when he foresaw it and then created it with the universe?
Very telling that you refuse to answer the questions ... especially the second one ...



 
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But he saves only a few. Most perish. How can the flood people have been saved? Or the Canaanites. Or all nations and not just the Jews only?
The first thing you need to do before you can even begin to answer your own questions is to rid yourself of the notion that God "causes people to sin".

God knowing beforehand that Adam would sin does not equal God "causing Adam to sin".



 
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No, but God did when he made ihis plan.
So when the child disobeys his/her parent, the parent should shake his/her fist at God?

Tell the child “gee, so sorry you were hurt, it's all God's fault ... it surely isn't your own doing and you can continue to touch the stove"??? :rolleyes:
 
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Mr. Dave-L

Do you come to your conclusions through personal study or are you influenced by the teachings and writings of others.
I am asking because what you post is so strange to me.
 
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So when the child disobeys his/her parent, the parent should shake his/her fist at God?

Tell the child “gee, so sorry you were hurt, it's all God's fault ... it surely isn't your own doing and you can continue to touch the stove"??? :rolleyes:
If you do, you hate God and don't approve of him. When God killed Nadab and Abihu, Arron's family was not allowed to show remorse. It would mean they doubted God and thought he was wrong for killing them.
 
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Another telling statement. You really should review the posts.

Oh, and yes you do waste time. You've wasted your time on your erroneous dogma.
I give short posts the once through. Log posts I ignore unless they are original posts.
 
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The first thing you need to do before you can even begin to answer your own questions is to rid yourself of the notion that God "causes people to sin".

God knowing beforehand that Adam would sin does not equal God "causing Adam to sin".
You don't know God if the bible says he causes sin. Where did it come from if he created everything?
 
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If you do, you hate God and don't approve of him. When God killed Nadab and Abihu, Arron's family was not allowed to show remorse. It would mean they doubted God and thought he was wrong for killing them.
Only in your mind does comforting a child who burns his/her hand equate.

fyi … when a child burns his/her hand on the stove, we treat the wound and tell the child that the stove is hot and it will burn.

The next time the parent gives warning, the child may listen a little more attentively.


This information, too, will probably go in one ear and out the other …



 
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I give short posts the once through. Log posts I ignore unless they are original posts.
R-i-g-h-t … let’s just ignore those "long" posts. You'd much rather revel in your doctrinal error … so much easier than believing the truth of Scripture. :rolleyes:


 
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You don't know God if the bible says he causes sin.
We're on page 20 of this thread and you have yet to post chapter and verse which supports your claim.

Also, when your error in interpretation is pointed out, you won't take the time to read because "long posts [you] ignore".




Dave-L said:
Where did it come from if he created everything?
You've been told where. You refuse to hear. And then keep asking the same question after you've been given the answer.



 

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Again, your refusal to answer simple questions is duly noted.

Gotta wonder why someone won't answer simple questions ... :sneaky:
“i will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.” (Luke 21:15)
 

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How can anything exist apart from God?
God allows evil, He doesn't cause it.
Evil comes from a privation in the creaturely will.

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. “All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”” (Mark 7:21–23)
There's the origin of evil in our universe....from within the heart of man

God created the universe....Adam changed the universe when he fell.

There is no problem here=Biblical and philosophically consistent.
 

Diakonos

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How can anything exist apart from God?
Evil isn't a thing that exists and needs to be created by God.
It is a privation of something. Its a privation of right order in the creaturely will.
 
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Evil isn't a thing that exists and needs to be created by God.
It is a privation of something. Its a privation of right order in the creaturely will.
There are many questions Dave-L will not answer. In his Post #30, Dave-L asked stated "We choose precisely what God wants based on the reasons he places before us."

I replied to him in Post #57 and asked him did Adam "choose precisely what God wants" given the fact that God told Adam in Gen 2:17 not to eat of the tree of knowledge of. good and evil?

How could Adam have done "precise what God wants" when God told Adam not to eat?

That was the first question I asked Dave-L which he still refuses to answer.

Dave-L's erroneous dogma has his understanding of Scripture falling apart at Genesis 2.

Since what Dave-L believes does not line up with Scripture ... he doesn't believe Scripture ... and he is then carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).