Condoms or Abstinence

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What about all of the students who have parents who DON'T teach about abstinence? Do we just forget about them? I think that it should be incorporated into schools as well so it can reach ALL of the students. I'm not saying it's going to work all of the time, but at least kids will hear. They need to know.
This post caught me by surprise. There are some kids who have no responsible adults in their lives, perhaps. It is motivation for us to continue the good fight and we must pray the Lord will look out after these kids.
 
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Okay, talking about condoms/sex is not teaching them that fornication is okay.


Letting people have access to condoms does not "feed their desire" and it will not lead to no condom use.
 
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Okay sorry to say ti but outside of a Christian worldview, Abstinence doesnt really hold any benefits. I have plenty of non-christian friends that are sexually active before marriage and I know some that have gotten married. It so far has had no effect on anything. The only reason we follow Abstinence is because God says too. And you have to take into account the percentage of High school that aren't christian and dont believe in God. Not telling them about condoms is irresponsible and stupid. You can teach abstinence all you want, high schoolers arent stupid. You're telling them to wait till marriage because it makes it better? Sex is still just sex to them. And it's not difficult to figure out either. I know before I became a christian i was frequently just hooking up for the sheer fun of it. No one cared, no one felt any guilt. It's a fact of life now. Sure go ahead and teach abstinence, but not including other options for everyone involved is a horrible way to approach things.
 
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i say condoms for the MARRIED christian couple if they dont want 10 kids. Abstinence before marriage
 
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It would only work if abstinence is the ONLY option taught.)
Can you please further explain what an abstinence only program means? Would the children be taught about sex at all?
 
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Okay sorry to say ti but outside of a Christian worldview, Abstinence doesnt really hold any benefits. I have plenty of non-christian friends that are sexually active before marriage and I know some that have gotten married. It so far has had no effect on anything. The only reason we follow Abstinence is because God says too. And you have to take into account the percentage of High school that aren't christian and dont believe in God. Not telling them about condoms is irresponsible and stupid. You can teach abstinence all you want, high schoolers arent stupid. You're telling them to wait till marriage because it makes it better? Sex is still just sex to them. And it's not difficult to figure out either. I know before I became a christian i was frequently just hooking up for the sheer fun of it. No one cared, no one felt any guilt. It's a fact of life now. Sure go ahead and teach abstinence, but not including other options for everyone involved is a horrible way to approach things.

I agree that teaching abstinence and such to non-christians is pointless. They should teach the fear of God first
 
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Okay sorry to say ti but outside of a Christian worldview, Abstinence doesnt really hold any benefits. I have plenty of non-christian friends that are sexually active before marriage and I know some that have gotten married. It so far has had no effect on anything. The only reason we follow Abstinence is because God says too. And you have to take into account the percentage of High school that aren't christian and dont believe in God. Not telling them about condoms is irresponsible and stupid. You can teach abstinence all you want, high schoolers arent stupid. You're telling them to wait till marriage because it makes it better? Sex is still just sex to them. And it's not difficult to figure out either. I know before I became a christian i was frequently just hooking up for the sheer fun of it. No one cared, no one felt any guilt. It's a fact of life now. Sure go ahead and teach abstinence, but not including other options for everyone involved is a horrible way to approach things.
Jesus taught us to be abstinent before we marry.
 
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Can you please further explain what an abstinence only program means? Would the children be taught about sex at all?
That is a good question.
I think it should just teach 'don't have sex before marriage' and would probably cause quite a ruckus in the classroom, lol. Nowadays sex education focuses on how to prevent STD and pregnancy, instead of how to control those hormones. Thankfully I put my kids into a christian school. Abstinence is still taught there.
 
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Jesus taught us to be abstinent before we marry.
Thats wonderful bro...but we are discussing public school systems and how they teach sex education. While we may follow what Jesus taught us, other don't and aren't forced too. If jim and jane(who arent christians) want to go behind the bleachers and have sex, well thats their choice. Now would you rather them have a condom or not? Not having sex is not a choice here, they have decided to do it and telling them "Jesus says No" isn't going to change their mind. So which do you pick? That they be educated about safe sex or not? If you want your children learning about only abstinence then go enroll them in private schools. Public schools need to teach both. We can't force our worldviews onto people. Honestly, I dont care if two people have sex before they are married, its a personal choice, just like christians choose not too. Teaching about safe sex does not encouargae people to have sex any more than telling someone they shouldnt do something encourages waiting til marriage. Gosh who is this concept so complicated...
Teahcing abstinence only in a public school is not only irresponsible it's stupid. THe reason teen birth rates are so high in the bible is because people dont fully educate children about sex. They think abstinence works when obviously it doesnt.
 
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Thats wonderful bro...but we are discussing public school systems and how they teach sex education. While we may follow what Jesus taught us, other don't and aren't forced too. If jim and jane(who arent christians) want to go behind the bleachers and have sex, well thats their choice. Now would you rather them have a condom or not? Not having sex is not a choice here, they have decided to do it and telling them "Jesus says No" isn't going to change their mind. So which do you pick? That they be educated about safe sex or not? If you want your children learning about only abstinence then go enroll them in private schools. Public schools need to teach both. We can't force our worldviews onto people. Honestly, I dont care if two people have sex before they are married, its a personal choice, just like christians choose not too. Teaching about safe sex does not encouargae people to have sex any more than telling someone they shouldnt do something encourages waiting til marriage. Gosh who is this concept so complicated...
Teahcing abstinence only in a public school is not only irresponsible it's stupid. THe reason teen birth rates are so high in the bible is because people dont fully educate children about sex. They think abstinence works when obviously it doesnt.
There are consequences to sin. It is our responsibility to set the right example. That includes standing up for what is right, even if the world doesn’t understand yet.
 
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There are consequences to sin. It is our responsibility to set the right example. That includes standing up for what is right, even if the world doesn’t understand yet.
No one is saying not too. But News Flash...not everyone is Christian. You cant decide others behaviors based on your moral beliefs. Non-christians will still have sex before marriage. Might as well promote safe sex practices for those who choose to live that way. And everyone thinks there way of living is right, so the whole well it's the christian way only works with...wait for it...CHRISTIANS! What a shock...

You cant simply ignore an issue that doesnt fit into your worldview. Basic compassion would dictate that even if they dont agree with our choices means we do our best to keep them safe. What would you promote banning the sale of condoms to non-married couples? I would hope not. So why not at least tell them about them in High school?

People are going to be gay, have premarital sex, and do all over sorts of un-christian things in their life. It's there right. But purposefully withholding useful information from these people because they dont fit your moral paradigms is wrong. DO most christians find homosexuality wrong? I guess so. Is that a reason to withhold condoms from homosexuals that choose to engage in the behavior anyways? No. Some find drinking wrong, is that a reason not to encourage designated drivers? No. Both are examples of ways that make certain activities safer. Do you have to agree with the activities, No you don't. It's the same with abstinence/safe sex. Just because we don't agree with it doesnt mean people dont have the right to information on both topics.
 
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No one is saying not too. But News Flash...not everyone is Christian. You cant decide others behaviors based on your moral beliefs. Non-christians will still have sex before marriage. Might as well promote safe sex practices for those who choose to live that way. And everyone thinks there way of living is right, so the whole well it's the christian way only works with...wait for it...CHRISTIANS! What a shock...

You cant simply ignore an issue that doesnt fit into your worldview. Basic compassion would dictate that even if they dont agree with our choices means we do our best to keep them safe. What would you promote banning the sale of condoms to non-married couples? I would hope not. So why not at least tell them about them in High school?

People are going to be gay, have premarital sex, and do all over sorts of un-christian things in their life. It's there right. But purposefully withholding useful information from these people because they dont fit your moral paradigms is wrong. DO most christians find homosexuality wrong? I guess so. Is that a reason to withhold condoms from homosexuals that choose to engage in the behavior anyways? No. Some find drinking wrong, is that a reason not to encourage designated drivers? No. Both are examples of ways that make certain activities safer. Do you have to agree with the activities, No you don't. It's the same with abstinence/safe sex. Just because we don't agree with it doesnt mean people dont have the right to information on both topics.
Doesn’t matter whether or not they are Christians. There is only one truth. It is yours and my responsibility to stand up for what is right.
 
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That is a good question.
I think it should just teach 'don't have sex before marriage' and would probably cause quite a ruckus in the classroom, lol. Nowadays sex education focuses on how to prevent STD and pregnancy, instead of how to control those hormones. Thankfully I put my kids into a christian school. Abstinence is still taught there.
I think it is great when schools teach abstinence (in middle school, I had the same pro-abstinence health teacher for 3 years. I also learned about the failure of condoms from her), but problems will arise for teens that no nothing about sex; they might become curious and "experiment".We can't teach children that sex is an evil, sinful thing because it is not; sex before marriage is sinful. Our culture and media today are telling the youth that fornication is normal, fun, and "hip"; because of this morally corrupt society, telling teens to "not have sex" might not be enough to stop them from doing the act.

I read a post from a 17 year old teenage on another Christian forum who thought that God was going to punish him and strike him down because of a supposedly sexual act he involuntarily preformed. He explained that he was home-schooled and his parents did not talk to him about sex (he was even afraid of the topic!:eek:)

It turns out that it was just nocturnal emission (wet dream).
 
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Doesn’t matter whether or not they are Christians. There is only one truth. It is yours and my responsibility to stand up for what is right.
You just dont get my point. As much as we stand up to it, doesnt always change it. If two teens cam up to me and asked my opinion on sex, I could say wait until marriage til i'm blue in the face. If they decide not to wait anyways, lets hope they at least had the education to use a condom. So who is going to teach that? Well certainly not the schools if we do abstinence only, hence my issue. We can preach abstinence all we want. Not everyone is going to listen no matter how hard we try. Having available information for those that choose not too is necessary.
 

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Total abstinence. Contraception fails. Abstinence doesn't.
 
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After reading the thread I've come to my conclusion on the matter.

Regardless if public schools teach students about abstinence or "safe" sex, parents need to be the ones to inform their children about sex.

This is how my mom did it with me. So when the time came for my school to tell us about sex, I only viewed it as a reference for "protection" and sexual health because I already knew what sex was.

Thank God for my mom, most parents freeze at the mention of sex by their children (although my mom came to me).

Parents when you talk to your children about sex, you don't have to say "Well Billy, this is how you do this, and be sure you're comfortable. This is what a ______ looks like and these are the some good positions to try." :rolleyes:

When a kid wants to know about sex, they're not asking you about the "mechanics" or want goes "into" it nor do they want to know because they want to "try" it (sometimes), they just want to know the facts, what is it and why is it.

Personally, if a 3 year old asks where babies come from, I think "Babies come from mommies stomach" will be an acceptable answer because it's age appropriate and it's true (well in this case stomach = uterus).