Ok thomas, I understand what your saying but your explanation is based on how you view things and not on what the Bible specfically teaches as I pointed out in my post regarding Philippians 2. And yes, it is good for you to think and reason in logical terms. In fact, God is a logical God and at times He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic.
You also said, "I'll keep it at the human level" and then you began to explain how you "think" the Father as a being is the Divine Lake etc. I'm not one that uses "metaphors" but since you brought up the lake is water how about looking at it from the following perspective? Water can take three forms or states, ice, liquid and steam and some use this example to describe the Trinity.
I also have to take issue when you said this: "But I certainly believe that there was enough of God's Divine Spirit in Christ for him to say he was God." Remember, Jesus Christ was functioning as a fully contingent human being and He was filled with the Holy Spirit without meansure. This has nothing to do with Him having enough of God's Divine Spirit for Him to say He was God. There was a reason why Jesus Christ did "NOT" going around the landscape saying, "I am God?"
He proved He was God by His works and the witness of His Father. Jesus wanted us to come to that conclusion without Him saying "I am God." As it is, people then and now do not believe He was God in flesh so even if He had come out and point blank claim "I am God" they still would not believe Him. Plus the fact that if He would have made that direct claim it would be taken by the Jews that there is more than one God.
My suggestion to you is not to "overthink" things and read the Scritptures for what they say and teach. Reason things out and ask yourself questions like, "Why did Jesus say this or why did Jesus do that, what was His purpose?" Look up words as to how they are used in "CONTEXT?"
Let me give you an example of what I mean. It says at Philippians 2:12, "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION with fear and trembling." Just about everybody takes this verse and they "assume" Paul is talking about salvation proper or as being saved. That is not what Paul is saying. Paul is saying for the Philippians to "work out the solution or the deliverance" of your problems.
Remember, my first post to you was Philippians 2 and how the Apostle Paul used Jesus Christ who always existed in the form of God but humbled Himself and took the form of a bond-servant. Remeber also why Paul was writing to them? It is summed up at vs 3, "Do nothing from selfishness of empty conceit but regard others as more imporatant than yourself." So, this is the occasion of why Paul said to "'work out your salvation." Hoep this helps!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Ok I hear you we can agree to disagree but we are very close in either respect. : ) I am not claiming to know how it works, I was just one example of how I could envision it on my own. Let's just say Jesus is God. Many names for One being. This still doesn't explain the Rev 1 and Rev 22 issue or the many Prayers for Forgiveness that start with "Dear God, I accept that Jesus was Your Son and that You raised him from the dead... etc, etc " and then we turn around and pray to Jesus for things other than forgiveness. That's just me.
The whole point is not who you pray to (GOD, JESUS, LORD, etc...) as long as you are only praying to THE ONE God. Please ask Him OFTEN to forgive your sins and then if you could, please ask Him OFTEN to DESTROY OUR OPPRESSORS and not the people being oppressed. I can't change anyone's beliefs or why they believe what they believe, heck I can't even get a group of 3 people to agree on a place to have lunch lol.
The second point I was trying to make is that God's (Jesus's if you prefer) Laws are the only laws permitted by the Bible. Man's laws mean ZIP to GOD. It's not God's Law's that have us in the situation for His Law's are perfect. Here in the U.S. and in many parts of the world, I see division, not unity and when I see that,I see satan's hand.
Not meaning to get political (and this is the only time I will ever bring up politics) but... after spending all that time, effort, and resources attempting to secure your rights and freedoms under the man-made constitution, the bottom line at the end of the day is: YOU ARE NOT EVEN A PARTY TO THE CONSTITUTION! It is a contract between: the States, the founders, and the king of England. The constitution itself was not signed by any human, it was only signed "In witness" on behalf of the States. That's like saying a notary republic is also bound to whatever you sign in front of them. Since you are not a party to that contract, then you can't possibly have ANY rights under that contract. Just exactly WHO are the "We the People of the United States" that the constitution refers to who formed the "Union"? Most patriots jump to the conclusion that it includes every American "Sovereign" Citizen but where in the document is the term defined, which could support that conclusion? It doesn't really say. How many times have you seen someone in court attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES.
So this is my issue that I see, here we sit at the edge of Armageddon and we are here bickering back and forth over what's green and what's purple because of man made laws that we are not even bound to and the only laws we are bound to (HIS LAWS) are being reduced to "Oh well, as long as I am saved by Grace that's all that matters". Let's look at Revelations where it says only 144,000 people will be saved in the end of it all. That's out of what 7.4 billion (7,400,000,000 people)? Just how saved are you and I?
What defenses do we have? Repent and Pray now and often We need an ARMY OF PRAYERS.
AND although I know the majority of the planet thinks that this is not required but if you aren't offended:
Matthew 6
5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.…
God wrote these words: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work. … For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is: … wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8–11).
You do what you believe, I am not taking my chances. It changed my life and if you only try it once and don't see HIS signs throughout the day, then call me a liar. I believe HE hears us MORE on this day than any other. If you see a Bluebird today, I've been praying to God to send one to you as a sign. Not that it has any significance if you see them often, but if you don't and find it unusual maybe just maybe you ought to try it : )
God Bless and keep us all safe in Jesus's Name!