Did Jesus consider himself God?
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In your context that makes sense but in my context it sounds strange...
The Master is the only one without sin. The teacher cannot sin. If the teacher was just a student, He would be a sinful 'saviour' and that's no saviour at all. The Master required a perfect sacrifice, so no student could atone for humanity's sins. But the teacher could. Therefore, the teacher is the Master?
If Jesus, the Son of God in the form of man, could not sin, satan would not have tempted him. Jesus is referred to as the only teacher permitted.
Matthew 23:8 "Don't let anyone call you 'Rabbi,' for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.
If you're referring to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, then yes I believe he cannot sin because he is no longer in the flesh. Although it seems that satan was an angel and he sinned against God so that is also questionable now that I think about it.
Again I am not trying to be arrogant. I just have an open mind to the possibility. Something is wrong with the world and I have a sneaking suspicion that we are to blame. I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe he died for our sins on the cross so that we may be forgiven. I believe we can call out to God in Jesus's name so that our sins may be forgiven. I accept he is the Son of God and if I ever meet him, I would respect him as my Teacher. But I cannot accept that he is God. He was God on earth when he was here but I fear that worshiping Jesus Christ is a huge mistake. It could explain why God has not delivered us from evil. I don't have any other explanation that I can think of as to why His people continue to suffer and are near destruction at the very hands of His enemy. If you could please look at Isaiah with this in mind. Read what He is saying why he did not rescue his people sooner. Is it possible that I could be right?
I don't want to rant again lol trust me it's eating away at me to think I am in the minority here. My eternal life hangs in the balance, I do know the risk. I come from a Catholic background so when people say Jesus or Jesus Christ, I always have this picture in my head of a the man on the cross. It's always bothered me.
The Master is the only one without sin. The teacher cannot sin. If the teacher was just a student, He would be a sinful 'saviour' and that's no saviour at all. The Master required a perfect sacrifice, so no student could atone for humanity's sins. But the teacher could. Therefore, the teacher is the Master?
If Jesus, the Son of God in the form of man, could not sin, satan would not have tempted him. Jesus is referred to as the only teacher permitted.
Matthew 23:8 "Don't let anyone call you 'Rabbi,' for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.
If you're referring to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, then yes I believe he cannot sin because he is no longer in the flesh. Although it seems that satan was an angel and he sinned against God so that is also questionable now that I think about it.
Again I am not trying to be arrogant. I just have an open mind to the possibility. Something is wrong with the world and I have a sneaking suspicion that we are to blame. I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe he died for our sins on the cross so that we may be forgiven. I believe we can call out to God in Jesus's name so that our sins may be forgiven. I accept he is the Son of God and if I ever meet him, I would respect him as my Teacher. But I cannot accept that he is God. He was God on earth when he was here but I fear that worshiping Jesus Christ is a huge mistake. It could explain why God has not delivered us from evil. I don't have any other explanation that I can think of as to why His people continue to suffer and are near destruction at the very hands of His enemy. If you could please look at Isaiah with this in mind. Read what He is saying why he did not rescue his people sooner. Is it possible that I could be right?
I don't want to rant again lol trust me it's eating away at me to think I am in the minority here. My eternal life hangs in the balance, I do know the risk. I come from a Catholic background so when people say Jesus or Jesus Christ, I always have this picture in my head of a the man on the cross. It's always bothered me.
I am willing to debate with you. I do want to resolve this for my own peace of mind. Most people thus far have used interpretation to do their reasoning. I believe that the New Testament does two things. It teaches us and it gives us a means of absolution. You seem like you know your stuff so if you have a text that can't be attributed to one of those two things, could you let me know where it is? I totally understand if you aren't willing to help me figure this out. It's not a matter of faith for me. My faith alone isn't enough. The only way I can see us getting out of this is to find out why God is not saving His people. If you have any other possible suggestions (or anyone at all), let's get them on the table.. History repeats itself.
That Jesus was a part of the Godhead is clearly revealed by the following verses, both in His own testimony and the New Testament's.
Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23
“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26
Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18
“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9
“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)
John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).
The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19
And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)
He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15
In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9
Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13
When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6
In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (exactly parallel in the Greek).
Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3
He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.
Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28
Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23
“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26
Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18
“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9
“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)
John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).
The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19
And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)
He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15
In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9
Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13
When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6
In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (exactly parallel in the Greek).
Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3
He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.
Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28
A remnant is a smaller group taken out of the whole.
He is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the God of the human Jesus, and the Father of the divine Jesus. In contrast Our Lord Jesus Christ is God the Son which means that He takes a certain position in the Godhead in contrast with the Father. However His Sonship is eternal. Father and Son are human terms used to illustrate certain aspects of the Triune God.
He is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the God of the human Jesus, and the Father of the divine Jesus. In contrast Our Lord Jesus Christ is God the Son which means that He takes a certain position in the Godhead in contrast with the Father. However His Sonship is eternal. Father and Son are human terms used to illustrate certain aspects of the Triune God.
Another thing that makes sense to me is the use of "Lord God", which could be another reason for confusion. God in the bible means God or "Him" also just means God. Does "Lord God" fit perhaps the description of a religious teacher or priest?
Also for the Lamb's wedding in Revelations. I have seen often that the bride is referenced as the children of Israel. Jesus is also referred to as Adam. Please keep an open mind. Are there any correlations between the word rib and children in scripture or somehow is Eve related to the children of Israel? I remember seeing something about the blood of the profits and of the Holy were consumed by the Bride?
Also for the Lamb's wedding in Revelations. I have seen often that the bride is referenced as the children of Israel. Jesus is also referred to as Adam. Please keep an open mind. Are there any correlations between the word rib and children in scripture or somehow is Eve related to the children of Israel? I remember seeing something about the blood of the profits and of the Holy were consumed by the Bride?
Sorry I meant remainder not reminder and seems like you and I are on the same page but my whole point is that GOD said no one was to make a change to the bible (i.e. 10 Commandments etc in the old testament) in Deu 4:2 I think. Jesus could not have done it while he was in the flesh. There isn't two Gods and if Jesus is Lord God (the teacher and forgiver of sins), only God could release us from being bound to the Old Testament. That's what I was trying to disprove. Jesus Christ says basically if you don't give me the respect that you give the Father you will be sorry. I get that. No problem. Done deal. It's a given to me and I think to all involved.
Also this in Eph
1:20[FONT="] Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set [him] at His Own right hand in the heavenly [places]
Look how "He" is capitalized and then in lower case when God refers to Christ as "him".
For me this changes how much of these texts read and who is talking and about what.[/FONT]
1:20[FONT="] Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set [him] at His Own right hand in the heavenly [places]
Look how "He" is capitalized and then in lower case when God refers to Christ as "him".
For me this changes how much of these texts read and who is talking and about what.[/FONT]
What the bible says was in no doubt written by God. What is means was written by man much of the time. Not having much faith in the good deeds of men these days. Just want to examine it as an exercise in due diligence. It's worth a shot if it changes things for all of us. If no one else wants to see it, I can't help that but if it's there and I can find it then at least to me it explains our situation.
Well tell me thomas, when your namesake the real undoubting Thomas declared at John 20:28 said, "My Lord and my God" to Jesus Christ Himself was he telling the truth? Afterall, you did say you do not believe Jesus Christ is God so can you please reconcile Thomas' statement with your statement? 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well tell me thomas, when your namesake the real undoubting Thomas declared at John 20:28 said, "My Lord and my God" to Jesus Christ Himself was he telling the truth? Afterall, you did say you do not believe Jesus Christ is God so can you please reconcile Thomas' statement with your statement?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto