Did Jesus expect people to keep all of the Ten Commandments?

[livingbygrace]

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good" Jesus replied. "There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life obey the commandments."
"Which ones?" the man enquired.
Jesus replied. "Do not murder. Do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honour your Father and mother and love your neighbour as yourself."
"All these I have kept the young man said. What do I still lack?"
Jesus answered. "If you want to be perfect go and sell your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven, then come follow me."

Matt19:16-21

When the rich young man asked Jesus which commandments he must keep Jesus never said . 'Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy? Why was that? According to Jesus the young man could be perfect without obeying that particular commandment.

 

[phil36]

The young man was trying toJustify himself. He thought he was keeping every apsect of the Law. This is obviously not the case and Jesus is pointing this out to him.

Th rich man thought he could still work his way into heaven 'Teacher what good deed must I do to have eternal life', Jesus is showing him that none of his good deeds will get him into heaven, and that there is only one good. Even thought th rich man asked and said he kept the law, there was something missing? his love for his money--possessions.. this is where his heart lies, you could go as far as idolatry.

Jesus is not teaching that good works can earn eternal life, for in vv. 21–22 he will show the man how far short he falls of keeping the first commandment (cf. Ex. 20:3) and the first of the two greatest commandments (cf. Deut. 6:5; Matt. 22:36–40). But obedience to the law is also an expression of belief in the truly good God who is the source of all good, including eternal life. Scripture elsewhere clearly affirms that salvation is a gift of God's grace received through faith, and not by works (see notes on Eph. 2:8; 2:9–10). study notes.

Phil

 

[Pete_Martinez]

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Phil36 is correct. The rich young ruler's god was money. Which is why Christ stayed specifically on the you shall love your neighbor as yourself commandments first. That the rich man did very very well.

 

[livingbygrace]

Yes, I agree totally with what Phil said. But the actual question refers to why Jesus did not say all of the Ten Commandments had to be kept. The young man specifically asked which commandments he had to keep. Jesus did not in reply say Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy. And he told the young man he could be perfect apart from keeping it. And at this time the Old Covenant was still in place, as Christ had not yet died on the cross

 

[Pete_Martinez]

Well even before he finished the work of the law he began to implement his new law.

Mat 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.
Where in the Old Testament, or by reading the ten commandments, did you get the notion that hating or being angry at your brother was equivalent to murdering him? It didn't say it at all!
And he did it constantly, you have heard, BUT I SAY. He pretty much covered all the commandments without referring specifically to those commandments. Actually more than that he raised the bar.

The law and ten commandments were given specifically to Israel as part of the mosaic covenant. Under Christ, we are not under the ten commandments, we are now under a higher and greater law. Which is why keeping the sabbath is not specifically given as a command by Paul to the gentiles, the gentiles were not there when God made his covenant with Israel, therefore keeping the sabbath is not a gentile command. However, in Hebrews it is mentioned that those in Christ who rest in him are in the sabbath rest, even though it's not a specific command.
Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Col 2:17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Which is another reason why Paul fought with the Judaizers so much. They kept trying to bring the gentiles under the law.

 

[1still_waters]

I'm seeing a trend toward these types of 'questions' angling at becoming about debating keeping the Sabbath. Please don't allow this topic to consume the board here. One thread on it is enough. Thanks.

 

[Pete_Martinez]

I'm seeing a trend toward these types of 'questions' angling at becoming about debating keeping the Sabbath. Please don't allow this topic to consume the board here. One thread on it is enough. Thanks.

Actually it's funny you mentioned it because I was considering discussing on that board, but the one thing I've noticed is if you're not preaching to the choir you're not going to get listened to. That and my arguments would get buried in millions of posts. So, to them I say, have fun.

 

[Lifelike]

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good" Jesus replied. "There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life obey the commandments."
"Which ones?" the man enquired.
Jesus replied. "Do not murder. Do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honour your Father and mother and love your neighbour as yourself."
"All these I have kept the young man said. What do I still lack?"
Jesus answered. "If you want to be perfect go and sell your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven, then come follow me."

Matt19:16-21

When the rich young man asked Jesus which commandments he must keep Jesus never said . 'Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy? Why was that? According to Jesus the young man could be perfect without obeying that particular commandment.

The Jews under the old covenant were required to keep all of the Ten Commandments as well as all of the cerimonial commandments. To err in one was to err in all. And I dont think Jesus wouldnt teach contrary. Just because He didnt read off the whole list doesnt mean that He disregarded the rest as not important. He was basically saying -"you know the deal, this, that, n the other, what else do you want to know?" He was getting to the Heart of the issue i think. "Give away all that you have..BANG!... there it is! You serve the God of Mammon" Be healed and go your way. haha

 

[1still_waters]

Actually it's funny you mentioned it because I was considering discussing on that board, but the one thing I've noticed is if you're not preaching to the choir you're not going to get listened to. That and my arguments would get buried in millions of posts. So, to them I say, have fun.

Yeah in the past you'd come on this section of the forums and see two to four threads pretty much on the same topic. It sure made things look very cluttered and repetitive. Plus you could tell who was grinding their axes.

 

[NoahsMom]

Plus you could tell who was grinding their axes. HERE........Surely NOT!

 

[mpaper345]

That is a good example of why you have to keep the 10 commandments.

Jesus came to tell us how we can have eternal life.Everything that Jesus said concerning how we can be saved would apply to all New Testament saints.Jesus did not say to anybody that they have to keep anything of the Old Testament to keep them right at that time until He resurrected but everything Jesus said would be how we can be saved in the New Testament as soon as He started preaching.

If Jesus told the rich man that to inherit eternal life he had to keep the commandments then we have to keep the commandments and obey them.

Also Jesus told the rich man to sell all he has and give to the poor and then he would be perfect so that is an example that we cannot pursue riches.

The reason that the sabbath day was not included was because the Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel including the sabbath days and nailed them to His cross talking them out of the way.In the New Testament when you receive the Spirit you are fulfilling the sabbath which is now a spiritual sabbath.

We have to keep the 10 commandments and the sabbath is now a spiritual sabbath when we receive the Spirit and it is a spiritual rest.
The Old Testament sabbath was only for the Jews.The New Testament sabbath is for all Jews and Gentiles and must be obeyed by receiving the Spirit and having spiritual rest for you cannot enter heaven without that spiritual rest.

Jesus fulfilled the law and did everything right before God for it had to take a sinless man that obeyed all of God's commandments to reconcile sinful mankind back to a holy God.That is why He said that all the law must be fulfilled.

We have to fulfill the law the same as Jesus to be able to enter heaven which we can do by the Spirit.When we are led of the Spirit we have the same power as Jesus to fulfill the law and obey God's moral law which is neccessary for any person to enter heaven for we must be compatible with the Spirit's ways for men to behave as displayed by Jesus.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law(Romans 3:31).

We do not void out the law but we establish it by obeying the law.All people must fulfill the law as Jesus fulfilled the law.

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law(Romans 13:10).

Love is the fulfilling of the law.Each person that will enter heaven has to fulfill the law and love is the fulfilling of the law.That is all you have to do is love God and love people in the truth and you have fulfilled the law which the 2 greatest commandments is love God and people.

The 10 commandments are moral laws that means love towards God and love towards people so we have to obey them because we have to fulfill the law and love is the fulfilling of the law.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law(Galatians 5:22-23).

8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord(Ephesians 5:8-10).

When we are led of the Spirit we will be perfect in love to fulfill the law.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh(Galatians 5:16).

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother(1 John 3:9-10).

If you are led of the Spirit you will not sin which means you can obey all of God's commandments which are commandments of love and fulfill the law and be right with God to have eternal life.

There is no escaping it contrary to what the tradition of man says but we have to be sinless and be like Jesus to be able to enter heaven and the excuse that we are only human and cannot be perfect won't cut it for the Father will not buy it because we can have the Spirit to overcome the flesh and be like Jesus which is required to enter heaven.

The Bible says love does not sin and if we have to be fulfill the law by being perfect in love then we have to abstain from sin.Love does not sin.

Oh how sad it is that the tradition of man have hindered some people from entering heaven by telling them they do not have to be perfect.

They had to obey the 10 commandments in the Old Testament as we have to obey the 10 commandments in the New Testament.Nothing is changed we always have to obey the 10 commandments,God's moral laws that are love

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries(Hebrews 10:26-27).


21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity(Matthew 7:21-23).

The will of the Father is that we abstain from all sin.These people that did not make it to heaven wholeheartely confessed Christ as their savior and believed in His atonement on the cross but could not make it to heaven.They wholeheartely believed that Christ was the savior and believed in His atonement by the fact that they were standing before wondering why they could not enter heaven.
They did not do the will of the Father which is to abstain from all sin but they were workers of iniquity and if you offend in the least of the moral laws you have broke the whole law.You have to get rid of all sin.
Some people that confess Christ as their savior and mean it like to fornicate a little here,fornicate a little there,smoke marijuana a little here,smoke marijuana a little here,and they die in their sins and do not receive salvation.

The belief that all you have to do is confess Christ as your savior and believe in His atonement will not save you unless you do the will of the Father which is to abstain from sin.

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness(Romans 6:14-16).

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law(Galatians 5:18).

If you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law.This does not mean that you are not required to obey the law.It means since you are led of the Spirit you are fulfilling the law by being perfect in love which are God's 10 commandments,moral laws,therefore the law cannot touch you for prosecution because you are not sinning.
If you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law because a Spirit led life will not sin,therefore the law cannot touch you for prosecution.
If you try to live for Jesus without the Spirit you are under the law.
If you try to live for Jesus and do not get rid of sin and be led of the Spirit you are under the law.

The Bible says that creation testifies that there is a God so people are without excuse.Creation testifies that God is wise,powerful,and good so we should do good and obey Him.That is what creation testifies that God is good so we should be good and since He is above us we should obey Him and be good.

If creation testifies that God is good to the sinners so they have no excuse and should be good how much more should the saints be good that follow God.They should altogether be sinless especially since we can have the Holy Spirit to cause us to overcome the flesh.God is intelligent and if we can by the Spirit be sinless then there is no excuse and it will be required of us to be sinless.

Salvation has been all about receiving the Spirit which the blood of Christ gets us to the Spirit by completely removing our sins so we can have the Spirit.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling(Philippians 2:12).

The Bible says the we have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.Jesus did save us but we have to continue in that salvation by working out our own salvation.We have the responsibility to make sure we stay in the truth because the Spirit will not lead us unless we allow the Spirit to lead us and get all sin out of our life.
We have to participate in our salvation by making sure we stay in the truth by wanting to abstain from all sin amd meaning it and then the Spirit will lead us to do abstain from all sin.Some people will not get all sin out of their life and are not led of the Spirit.The Spirit will only lead us if we want the Spirit to lead us.If we have sin in our life the Spirit will not lead us to overcome the flesh because we made the decision that we want to sin contrary to what God wants but the Spirit will still convict us to do right if we do sin but if we stay in that sin not wanting to get rid of it for some time the Spirit will not lead you.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption(ephesians 4:29).

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity(2 Timothy 2:19).

Jesus told the rich man that he had to obey the moral commandments of God to enter heaven and we have to do the same.

Matt

 

[DiverDoug]

So is this what does it mean when Jesus said "we are to abide in Him" and "do the will of the Father"?

 

[Mal316]

So, since Jesus didn't say don't blaspheme and don't worship idols Christians are free to commit blasphemy and idolatry. Jesus didn't say don't covet, so that's gone as well. Jesus didn't say keep the Sabbath so the Sabbath, what God Himself called an eternal covenant is not eternal. Meaning God is a liar. God changed His mind about the Sabbath. Eternal doesn't mean eternal it means until God feels like changing His mind. Gotcha. Good to know that your God changes. The commandments written by His finger can be discarded as being no longer relevant.

Not only can you be perfect without keeping the Sabbath day, you can be perfect while worshiping idols and blaspheming God and coveting. I mean, after all Jesus didn't mention those when asked what must be done to get eternal life.

 

[Pete_Martinez]

So, since Jesus didn't say don't blaspheme and don't worship idols Christians are free to commit blasphemy and idolatry. Jesus didn't say don't covet, so that's gone as well. Jesus didn't say keep the Sabbath so the Sabbath, what God Himself called an eternal covenant is not eternal. Meaning God is a liar. God changed His mind about the Sabbath. Eternal doesn't mean eternal it means until God feels like changing His mind. Gotcha. Good to know that your God changes. The commandments written by His finger can be discarded as being no longer relevant.

Not only can you be perfect without keeping the Sabbath day, you can be perfect while worshiping idols and blaspheming God and coveting. I mean, after all Jesus didn't mention those when asked what must be done to get eternal life.

Mat 22:37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Because obviously those who love God with all of their might bow down to idols and serve them.

Keeping the sabbath was specifically given to Israel as a sign of the covenant of Moses. God never told Abraham to keep the sabbath. And again, we keep the "sabbath" by resting in Christ.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Israel was punished and exiled for not keeping the sabbath. God punished no other nations for not keeping the sabbath.
And let me ask you, do you keep the sabbath? Perfectly? Do you rest from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday? Consistently? Without error? If you haven't, yet judge others for not keeping the sabbath, you have condemned yourself.

As for the coveting thing...
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

 

[livingbygrace]

Mat 22:37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Because obviously those who love God with all of their might bow down to idols and serve them.

Keeping the sabbath was specifically given to Israel as a sign of the covenant of Moses. God never told Abraham to keep the sabbath. And again, we keep the "sabbath" by resting in Christ.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Israel was punished and exiled for not keeping the sabbath. God punished no other nations for not keeping the sabbath.
And let me ask you, do you keep the sabbath? Perfectly? Do you rest from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday? Consistently? Without error? If you haven't, yet judge others for not keeping the sabbath, you have condemned yourself.

As for the coveting thing...
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Good points

For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me. The life I live now I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing. Gal 2:19-21

 

[YashayahSaviour]

Matt 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Notice in Revelations, Christ only mentions their works. Refer to Revelation letters to the Churches.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christ came to show us HOW to obey the Commandments. If he came to destroy the law as many are asserting here then he lied when he said he came NOT to destroy the law. THus making him a liar and thus BREAKING a commandment, THUS NOT BEING A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH. ANyone that disencourages or discards obedience to the commandments is ANTICHRIST.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The only thing people are going to come back with are Paul's teachings taken out of context, I bet you 100%.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
This shows that even the Anointed One was obedient and for that, the Father was always with him. Now you see why Christ said on the Cross "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani"?

One thing I've noticed is that everyone has a problem with the Sabbath commandment, but not really any of the other nine. Most people don't realize though that they are extremely covetous. And covetousness underpins MOST sins. So yea, we don't have to be obedient to the Most High Creator's law. Even tho. y'know, He's the Creator and created everything in his infinite wisdom. He got the law of thermodynamics right, the law of gravity, biological life and many millions of laws right, but when it comes to establishing a sign and proof of obedience and a sign of his covenant, He doesn't know what he is doing. You may not say that out loud but that is what you are implying. You are blaspheming God by speaking so about the law.
While you are doing so, please disregard a majority of the psalms and a good portion of the book of proverbs too. You might wanna just get rid of the whole OT. Moses apparently spent 40 days and 40 nights getting these tablets of stone and other laws for nothing. It's amazing to see that this is even a debated topic anymore. Paul's writings are very hard to understand becuase he says a lot of things that contradict so it takes a LOT of patience to understand what he really means. Also, in that example about the rich man, notice CHrist did NOT mention Idolatry, having other gods before the One true God and taking the Most High's name in vain. Are we now allowed to break those commandments because he didn't list them in that ONE little PARAGRAPH???? If you are led by the Holy Spirit you should be looking for as many reasons to OBEY as possible and thru that the Most High can easily forgive your short comings. Not the opposite. That is like the wicked servant who dug a whole and put his talent away and didn't bear any fruit. NEVER FORGET!! We will be judged by our WORKS! Not by what we believe in our hearts. People say a lot of things with their mouths but it is your actions that really prove you.

I'm just WAITING for some of Paul's writings in a response. Please don't disappoint. Shalom.

 

[YashayahSaviour]

The law that Paul was talking about when he speaks unfavorably about the law is the law of SACRIFICE. Reading with that perspective clears up a lot of the confusion.

 

[QuestionTime]

I think Jesus just rambled off some of the commandments off the list, probably ones that he knew the man had kept faithfully.

I don't think Jesus forgot about the other commandments, it's just not necessary in speech to have to list them all to make a point. Jesus gave enough commandments to the man to get His point across. Perhaps the young man cut Jesus off in mid speech as well?

Quest

 

[livingbygrace]

Matt 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Notice in Revelations, Christ only mentions their works. Refer to Revelation letters to the Churches.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christ came to show us HOW to obey the Commandments. If he came to destroy the law as many are asserting here then he lied when he said he came NOT to destroy the law. THus making him a liar and thus BREAKING a commandment, THUS NOT BEING A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH. ANyone that disencourages or discards obedience to the commandments is ANTICHRIST.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The only thing people are going to come back with are Paul's teachings taken out of context, I bet you 100%.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
This shows that even the Anointed One was obedient and for that, the Father was always with him. Now you see why Christ said on the Cross "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani"?

One thing I've noticed is that everyone has a problem with the Sabbath commandment, but not really any of the other nine. Most people don't realize though that they are extremely covetous. And covetousness underpins MOST sins. So yea, we don't have to be obedient to the Most High Creator's law. Even tho. y'know, He's the Creator and created everything in his infinite wisdom. He got the law of thermodynamics right, the law of gravity, biological life and many millions of laws right, but when it comes to establishing a sign and proof of obedience and a sign of his covenant, He doesn't know what he is doing. You may not say that out loud but that is what you are implying. You are blaspheming God by speaking so about the law.
While you are doing so, please disregard a majority of the psalms and a good portion of the book of proverbs too. You might wanna just get rid of the whole OT. Moses apparently spent 40 days and 40 nights getting these tablets of stone and other laws for nothing. It's amazing to see that this is even a debated topic anymore. Paul's writings are very hard to understand becuase he says a lot of things that contradict so it takes a LOT of patience to understand what he really means. Also, in that example about the rich man, notice CHrist did NOT mention Idolatry, having other gods before the One true God and taking the Most High's name in vain. Are we now allowed to break those commandments because he didn't list them in that ONE little PARAGRAPH???? If you are led by the Holy Spirit you should be looking for as many reasons to OBEY as possible and thru that the Most High can easily forgive your short comings. Not the opposite. That is like the wicked servant who dug a whole and put his talent away and didn't bear any fruit. NEVER FORGET!! We will be judged by our WORKS! Not by what we believe in our hearts. People say a lot of things with their mouths but it is your actions that really prove you.

I'm just WAITING for some of Paul's writings in a response. Please don't disappoint. Shalom.

Well, I will attempt to repond to some of your lengthy post. Firstly let us remember that the disciples of Jesus(including Matthew who wrote the beatitudes) would have spent more time with Jesus and heard more of his teachings and better understood them than any of us living today.

Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the church leaders which Jewish laws the Gentile converts should be asked to keep. The decision was four. Three of which were to appease Jewish legalists, that left sexual immorality. I know of nowhere in the NT that Gentiles were specifically toild they must obey the Mosaic law. In that specific instance when it was being discussed Peter said.
'Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our Fathers have been able to bear. Acts15:10
I say sincerely. If Jewish people believe it is their duty to obey all of the Mosaic law I will not argue. But I am a Gentile and scripturally have not been asked to. I am quite happy to go by the disciples whom Jesus commisioned to spread the Gospel.
It is a truth that once the law was given it did not decrease sin, rather sin increased.
The law was added so that the trespass might increase, but where sin increased grace increased even more. Rom5:20
So the law by trying to be upheld actually brought more sinning. Paul is clear on this on many occassions.
Jesus commandments in the NT should most certainly be upheld. If people in their hearts truly desire this, and they understood Paul's message they would embrace his words wholeheartedly, because he showed us the only way those commandments can truly be upheld.

Paul did not uphold the law by concentrating on striving to obey it. He said that just made him a worse sinner.

For when we were controlled by our sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:5&6

He said that sin uses the good laws of God to condemn us. This was the person picked out by Jesus and given his message as a revelation by Christ himself and wrote nearly half the books of the NT.

What does Isiaih mean?
Bind up the testimony, seal up the law, among my disciples Isiaih8:16
Your covenant with death will be annulled, your agreement with the grave will not stand. Isiaih28:18
We know what Paul considered the covenant of death. He spoke of this after trying and failing to uphold the Ten Commandments. So I am left wondering, was Paul right? He could not obey the law or the Ten Commandments. He just became a worse sinner, or are people right when they tell us we must.
And if they quote John as to why we must, but when we fail we have an advocate in Jesus when we repent, I suggest if Paul is right this will not help us. I'm more inclined to believe Paul was being honest.

Paul believed in living his life by faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit's power and not being under the law, however.

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law. Rom3:31 Unfortunately people cannot understand or accept what he meant.

It was Paul who showed us truly how to uphold the law God would have us keep, I am convinced this is why he received the message he did

It is interesting to note that Jesus was hounded as law breaker, someone who ignored the law, by religious people
Steven the first Christian martyr was dragged before the sanhedrin and stoned to death, by religious people, one of the reasons? he was ignoring the law
The Apostle Paul was persecuted , by religious people. He said. Brothers if I still preached circumcision(ie law) I would not be persecuted, and he said that this was the offence of the cross. And so he too was persecuted for supposedly ignoring the law.

I wonder if much has changed in two thousand years

 

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2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

I do agree that true faith will produce the works of righteousness. However, to put works before faith is to put the cart before the horse.It is our faith and reliance on Christ's finished work that will give us the ability to produce righteousness.

I also did not say that because we no longer are under the 10 commandments that we do not follow them, on the contrary Christ set a much much higher standard, the standard of grace, which we keep by grace through faith

Under the law of Moses it was...
Exo 21:23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life,
Exo 21:24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exo 21:25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Under Christ...
Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
Mat 5:41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Mat 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

He's not leading us back into the law of Moses.
Even Moses himself wrote...
Deu 18:15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers--it is to him you shall listen--
Deu 18:16 just as you desired of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.'
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said to me, 'They are right in what they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
Deu 18:19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.