Did Jesus expect people to keep all of the Ten Commandments?

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Aug 2, 2013
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First of all, notice it says not to let anyone judge you FOR KEEPING THE SABBATH, not for breaking it.
Don't think that's right. "FOR KEEPING THE SABBATH" is your addition. Paul is telling them not to allow anyone to judge them based on actions that are not in harmony with the precepts of the Law. The context makes this obvious.

In verse eight he warns the Colossians not to be taken in by empty deception, but to remember that in Christ they have been made complete (v. 10). In verse eleven and thirteen Paul reminds them they are complete in Christ without circumcision of the flesh, "having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross" (2:14 NASB). The same concept found in verse 14 is found in Eph. 2:15, also.

Verse 16 then starts out with a "therefore" which points back to the case he just made. Don't let the judiazers push their doctrine on you by allowing them to judge you concerning food, drink, festival, new moon, or Sabbath day.
 
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Amen.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Sabbath, as we know it from the New Testament, is NOT the keeping of a certain day. We have no command whatsoever to keep Saturday for a Sabbath, nor do we have any commandment to keep the first day of the week, which is Sunday, as a Sabbath. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Many people keeps days. Others make Sunday an idol, a worship day. Others make Saturday as the worship day. Both the Sunday worshipper and the Sabbath keeper are absolutely wrong, according to the Word of God. Sabbath to a Christian is no longer the keeping of holy days, new moons or seasons. It means "eternal rest" to one's soul by the New Birth. We have to go by the Word of God, not by what the Adventists say, nor by what the Protestant says, nor by what the Catholic says. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

Here is the truth of the Sabbath, which means "REST."

Hebrews 4:8,
"For if Jesus had given them REST (or rest day), then would He not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

Reading the key phrase in the last part of the verse, it says that "God ceased from His own works." God gave Israel the seventh day for their Sabbath, in commemoration of His own work wherein He created the world and all that was therein, and then stopped creating. He ceased from His labors. He rested. Now it was fine to give a Sabbath rest to a people who were all in one place at one time, so they could all keep a certain day. Today half the world is in light while the other half is in darkness, so it wouldn't work at all. But that is just an argument from the natural.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Let's see what the Bible teaches us about this Sabbath rest. "For he that is entered into his rest." This entering in is not only entering in, but remaining in, the rest. It is an `eternal rest' of which the seventh day is but a type, to the Christian.

`Seven' is completion. `Eight' is the `first' day again.

Jesus' resurrection was in the first day of the week, giving us eternal life and eternal Sabbath rest. Thus we see why God could not give us any one certain day of the week as a Sabbath (rest). We've `entered into' and do `remain in' our rest, which Israel could not do, having only a shadow of the true substance which we enjoy. Why go back to a shadow when we have reality now?
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How we receive this rest, or continuing Sabbath, is at the invitation of Jesus. He said in Matthew 11:28,29, "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me;... and ye shall find rest (or keeping of the Sabbath, not a day, but eternal life, Sabbath) unto your souls."

No matter how long you have been laboring under your load of sin,
whether it is ten years, thirty years or fifty years, or longer, come with your tired weary life and you will find His rest (the true Sabbath). Jesus will give you rest.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now exactly what is that rest that Jesus will give?

Isaiah 28:8-12, "For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people. To whom He said, This is the rest (Sabbath) wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest (or keeping of His Sabbath); and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."

Here it is prophesied right here in Isaiah. And it came to pass about 700 years later at Pentecost when they were all filled with the Holy Ghost exactly as it was said they would be. This is the true Sabbath that was promised. Thus when they were filled with the Holy Ghost they ceased from their worldly works, their worldly doings, their evil ways. The Holy Ghost took charge of their lives. They entered into rest. There is your rest. That is your Sabbath. It is not a day, nor a year, but the eternity of being filled and blessed in the Holy Spirit. It is you ceasing, and God doing. It is God in you willing and doing of His good pleasure.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Oh, that people might come unto Him and find that rest. There is a cry in all hearts for that rest but the majority don't know the answer. So they try to still the cry by a religious process of keeping certain days or accepting denominational creeds and dogmas. But failing in that, many try drinking, carousing, and every physical excess, thinking that by worldly pleasures there can be some satisfaction. But in such there is no rest. They smoke and take pills to quiet their nerves. But there is no rest in earthly potions. They need Jesus. They need the heavenly remedy, the rest of the Spirit.[/FONT]
 
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The most simplistic answer i can give is that when we become born again and filled with Gods spirit and nature we begin to fulfill the ten commandments in a new way with a new understanding which comes from individual revelation.we move from carnal knowledge of the law to spiritual knowldege of the law and thus move from physical application of the law to spiritual application.The key is to make sure you have been born again and have the spirit of God living inside of you which will automatically cause you to live in obedience to ALL of Gods laws without even really being aware of it.The spirit will guide you into ALL truth over time.Everything eminates from the intense LOVE that you will feel for your fellow man because of the LOVE you will feel from Gods spirit on the inside of you.God bless you all.
 
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You are using the scripture that was addressing a problem of the years about 50 and trying to relate it to the problems we face today. All scripture is truth, but it is necessary to know why this scripture was given us.

In 50 the Christian Jews were saying we are used to worshiping in a certain way, with how we eat, how we wash, how we live. They didn't even consider the possibility that they could not worship God that way because Christ saved them. James, the brother of Jesus was the head of the church. The former council had decided that gentiles needed to worship in the same way they did, and Paul was fighting that. The gentiles Paul and Peter went to did not want to change how they lived because they knew Christ, just as the Jews didn't want to. Big fight, you read about it in scripture. Paul does most of the talking in the scripture of that period. God wanted the gentiles saved, and not get hung up on such as washing hands. They had a council meeting giving only enough rules for them to follow so they could get in the synagogue to hear scripture.

There was another huge council meeting 300 years later. The Christian Jews had been mostly killed off, only gentiles were at this one, over 300 of them. This meeting lasted 3 years and gave us the Nicene Creed. At this council meeting every one of the things the Jews did was made illegal, they could result in your punishment. It was the council of 50 in reverse, with a vengeance. God's suggestions for worship was out, the way of the pagan was in. The day of worshipping the sun (Sunday) was made legal. Even Passover was changed to a pagan name, and Christianizing a pagan holiday.

I think we should get back to the center, so we know being circumcised is not a path to salvation and understand what is, but that saying we must only worship using Christianized pagan ways is not right, either. Because the rites of worship is not worship does not mean that we may not do anything God suggests to worship.
 
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PS, I am sorry, my post got posted to the wrong topic, now I can't cancel!!!
 
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The most simplistic answer i can give is that when we become born again and filled with Gods spirit and nature we begin to fulfill the ten commandments in a new way with a new understanding which comes from individual revelation.we move from carnal knowledge of the law to spiritual knowldege of the law and thus move from physical application of the law to spiritual application.The key is to make sure you have been born again and have the spirit of God living inside of you which will automatically cause you to live in obedience to ALL of Gods laws without even really being aware of it.The spirit will guide you into ALL truth over time.Everything eminates from the intense LOVE that you will feel for your fellow man because of the LOVE you will feel from Gods spirit on the inside of you.God bless you all.
When you say "new" meaning that God is changing and God does not have eternal principles you are not reporting what God says correctly. God fulfilled much that was all through the times reported in the OT, and it was new that Christ's blood replaced animal blood, etc. But sin was sin at creation, God operates our world the same way. The stars are the same as they were, the ocean operates the same way, and the ten commandments explain a lot to us that is unchanging.
 
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i guess what im trying to say is that we do not fulfill the law in the same way as they did in the old testament.we now fulfill the law through Jesus Christ who comes to live in us and through us after we are born again.
 

JaumeJ

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Why "try" to say anything. The Word is sufficient on the subject. There is no difficulty in knowing that breaking a commandment is a sin.
There is no difficulty in knowing the curse of the law, that is death, was crucified with Yeshua.

When we think on "the wages of sin is death" we know we do not work anymore in this manner, we are servants of Yeshua, we are forgiven our debts, trespasses, sin because we believe Him.

We do not break any commandments on purpose, but when we do falter we are forgiven, for breaking a commandment is sin, simple as that.

Paul said it, though my spirit is alive because of Yeshua, my body is dead because of sin. Pick up the cup of Salvation and drink. No one will be saved otherwise.


i guess what im trying to say is that we do not fulfill the law in the same way as they did in the old testament.we now fulfill the law through Jesus Christ who comes to live in us and through us after we are born again.
 
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Peace be with you, the given sharing was taken from the revelation of these Holy Scriptures and are not hidden to 'even the very elect';

1. Matthew 7; 20-27 [Can the Gentiles or the Jews receive the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT or those who have been born from above, baptized of water and the HOLY SPIRIT, called in to be the Very Elect (very elected ones with talents for the ministries of the Kingdom of GOD here on earth)?]
2. 1 Timothy 4; 1, 2 (very Elect ones too)
3. 1 Thessalonians 2; 10-12 [Include the Very Elect, 'pleasure in unrighteousness' (Matthew 7; 21-23)]

LORD JESUS CHRIST also said this; "When I return, will I find anyone in faith?" (still faithful in action, not turned to the right or to the left but firm standing, according to the Teachings of CHRIST and the Instructions of the Apostles to the churches of the New Covenant).
i am sorry to say, i am tired of you grown ups in the flesh and spirit. But LORD JESUS CHRIST still loves you, who still pleads and speaks to the FATHER for us all.
You who know the Holy Scriptures and able to quote them correctly, don't you have revelations from them to see perishing Christians, while you think you are saved.
Are you sure?
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you with wisdom and revelation to the Holy Scriptures, to speak like Sir Stephen in the book of Acts. In one moment as he spoke to the ignorant Jews, he started speaking in wisdom the Holy Scriptures, beginning from Abraham and finishing them with JESUS of Nazareth.