Did Jesus expect people to keep all of the Ten Commandments?

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YashayahSaviour said:
Do you Eat your food cooked all the way thru? (If you eat any thing less than a well-done steak, you are breaking one of the four commands) Do you celebrate pagan holidays? (That's idolatry) Most Gentiles who run to this verse, don't realize that they aren't even really observing these preliminary commandments.

Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
Gentiles were expected to be obedient to the so-called Mosaic Code.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy STRANGER that is within thy gates:
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What then shall we say? That the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith. But Israel who pursued a law of righteousness has not attained it. Why not? Becaue they pursued it not by faith but as it were by works.
They stumbled over the stumbling stone.. As it is written
See I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be disappointed. Rom9:30-33

For if those who live by law are heirs faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath, and where there is no law there is no transgression. Rom4:14&15
 
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What then shall we say? That the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith. But Israel who pursued a law of righteousness has not attained it. Why not? Becaue they pursued it not by faith but as it were by works.
They stumbled over the stumbling stone.. As it is written
See I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be disappointed. Rom9:30-33

For if those who live by law are heirs faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath, and where there is no law there is no transgression. Rom4:14&15
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That stumbling stone is the Sabbath. The Gentiles obtained it by faith in obeying this commandment. Israel did not obtain it by trying to obey the letter or image of this commandment. This as well as the other nine are spiritual commandments summed up in loving God and loving our neighbor. God is spirit. He doesn't eat beef, pork, or vegetables. He isn't black, white, red, brown, yellow, or any other color.God is not a christian, a muslim, a buddist, a jew, or anyother religious title. He doesn't have sex. It's not about Saturday, Sunday, or anyother day with Him. He is God from everlasting to everlasting! Our 7 day week is an image He made for us to live by. We must rest from our works of the image of the law.
 
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That stumbling stone is the Sabbath. The Gentiles obtained it by faith in obeying this commandment. Israel did not obtain it by trying to obey the letter or image of this commandment. This as well as the other nine are spiritual commandments summed up in loving God and loving our neighbor. God is spirit. He doesn't eat beef, pork, or vegetables. He isn't black, white, red, brown, yellow, or any other color.God is not a christian, a muslim, a buddist, a jew, or anyother religious title. He doesn't have sex. It's not about Saturday, Sunday, or anyother day with Him. He is God from everlasting to everlasting! Our 7 day week is an image He made for us to live by. We must rest from our works of the image of the law.
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I thought Jesus was the stumbling stone?

EDIT: I understand what you are trying to say. Nevermind.

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livingbygrace said:
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith. But Israel who pursued a law of righteousness has not attained it. Why not? Becaue they pursued it not by faith but as it were by works.
They stumbled over the stumbling stone.. As it is written
See I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be disappointed. Rom9:30-33

For if those who live by law are heirs faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath, and where there is no law there is no transgression. Rom4:14&15
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Do you know what law he speaks of? I think you are quoting a scripture that you do not fully understand.
 
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Did anyone research what the Nazarenes observe? If you did, this discussion would be already over. Circumcision and sacrifice are not required any more. Circumcision symbolized the wall of partition btwn Jew and Gentile. Through Christ we are all one and God is NOT A RESPECTOR OR PERSONS. One law for both Jew AND Gentile.
 
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Jesus does expect everyone to follow the 10 commandments. They mean that you should love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength and that You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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YashayahSaviour said:
Did anyone research what the Nazarenes observe? If you did, this discussion would be already over. Circumcision and sacrifice are not required any more. Circumcision symbolized the wall of partition btwn Jew and Gentile. Through Christ we are all one and God is NOT A RESPECTOR OR PERSONS. One law for both Jew AND Gentile.
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Well can you tell me what Paul means in the following verses.

For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions asroused by the law were at work in our bodies so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:5&6

What shall we say then, Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust except the law had said. 'Thou shalt not covet.'
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence(sexual desire). For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: But when the commandment camre sin revived and I died
And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. Rom7:7-11 KJV



For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31

And can you tell me why I a Gentile should believe your interpretation of scripture above what is plainly written by the Apostles of Christ who were the leaders of the Jerusalem church, and the Apostle Paul who was commissioned by Jesus to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles, and received his message from no man but as a revelation from Christ himself
 
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Is it not scripture that Jesus parable said. Loving God with all ones heart/being fulfills all the law (s). Also, loving others as you love your (yours) self, on these 2 hang all the law (s) & prophets. Also, Jesus is quoted saying, "if you love me you will keep my (way) commandment & this I commandment (my followers) that you love (others) 1 another as I (lived & taught) loved you.
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Jesus does expect everyone to follow the 10 commandments. They mean that you should love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength and that You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
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Yes, and to say all the other commandments hang on these does not mean the others are nullified. It means if you keep these two commandments, all the others are easy.

P.S. I guess now someone else can wait three years to add something to this thread.
 
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Shiloah said:
Yes, and to say all the other commandments hang on these does not mean the others are nullified. It means if you keep these two commandments, all the others are easy.
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That's not what it means at all. Love fulfills the righteousness required by all 10 commandments.
 
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livingbygrace said:
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good" Jesus replied. "There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life obey the commandments."
"Which ones?" the man enquired.
Jesus replied. "Do not murder. Do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honour your Father and mother and love your neighbour as yourself."
"All these I have kept the young man said. What do I still lack?"
Jesus answered. "If you want to be perfect go and sell your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven, then come follow me."

Matt19:16-21

When the rich young man asked Jesus which commandments he must keep Jesus never said . 'Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy? Why was that? According to Jesus the young man could be perfect without obeying that particular commandment.
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Why wouldn't you want to keep the Sabbath day holy?
 
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That's not what it means at all. Love fulfills the righteousness required by all 10 commandments.
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In other words, if you love, you can break all the 10 commandments? Yeah. That really works.


Matthew 5:19

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Clearly, you ignore this verse.
 
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That's not what it means at all. Love fulfills the righteousness required by all 10 commandments.
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I understand that Christ fulfilled the Law. What you don't understand is that His saving us by grace has enabled us to keep His laws which were given to us for our good. "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
 
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In the Jewish law, if you did not keep one of the commandments, you transgressed the whole law. You were not allowed to falter in any one of them. After Jesus Christ, it is not the law, but Grace.
 
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"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."- luke 16:17.
Satan knows that Christians who keep the ten commandments will not receive the mark of the beast.
"Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."- rev 14:12
While the verses just before it the third angel was talking about the wicked who receive the mark of the beast. John1429.org search for the video "the mark of the beast".
"The just shall live by faith." But "faith without works is dead."- james 2:20
You keep the ten commandments not to get Jesus in you. You keep them because He is in you. In His power you can keep the law and not sin any more. "walk in the Spirit, ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh"- galatians 5:16
Sin is defined in the Bible as breaking God's Law: "sin is the transgression of the law"- 1 john 3:4 and he's not talking here about the ceremonial laws. There was no ceremonial laws in the garden of Eden. He's talking about the ten commandments, who because they were broken, there was a need of a Saviour. Not a Saviour that frees you from the law as in your obedience to it. No. Jesus saved you from the CURSE of the law. The condemnation of the law. He saved you from Hell. But if you break the law, you are placing yourself back under the curse of that law. Now if you fall into sin once, get up repent confess and next time obey.
The new covenant was to write this law on your mind and heart. Now the the ten commandments are much easier to keep :) they no longer written on tables of stone, but on the tables of the heart :)
"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; -Hebrews 10:16"
BEWARE, of the leaven of the devil, that makes you think breaking the law of God is no big deal. You are saved by faith, but that does not mean you are free and break the law again. Paul said "shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? GOD FORBID."- romans 6:15
Again he said, "shall we make the law void through faith? Nay, but we ESTABLISH IT."- romans 3:31
These two verses answer quite well for the false teaching that you are free from obeying the ten commandments, because Paul said otherwise.
The mark of the beast is the mark of Rome.
"Sunday is our MARK of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."- catholic record of london, ontario sept 1, 1923.
John1429.org search for the vids
"The antichrist"
"The mark of the beast".
God bless you :)
 
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Many folks come here saying we, being under grace, do not have to follow the Law because the law was destroyed on the cross.

I would like any of these unfortunate individuals to share with all just which of the commandments are no longer in effect.

Is killing now fine? Coveting? Adultery? Disrespecting our parents?

I also would like to know just why we, who have our innocence not imputed to each of us by the Blood of Yahweh's Lamb, are to find it difficult to confess our shortcomings and promise the Father we will always try to be good.

These people teach a revisionist form of religion which has cropped up these past 30 to 50 years, not including those cults which state the commandments are laws, and no longer are we to worry about them

Do not listen to anyone who soft sells murder, disobedience to the Father, and the rest of the commandments. These should not be a burden to those who love Yeshua. Yes, we may falter, but that is where grace comes in.

Beware of false teachers who seem to be very knowledgeable outside the Word, while tearing down the basic fabric of good and decent behavior. These teachers are either self deceived or worse.
 
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Christforme said:
...BEWARE, of the leaven of the devil, that makes you think breaking the law of God is no big deal...
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Then there is also this leaven who tricks people to think they actually keep the whole law, when they don't. I see no difference as to the nature of these two.
 
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Shiloah said:
I understand that Christ fulfilled the Law. What you don't understand is that His saving us by grace has enabled us to keep His laws which were given to us for our good. "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
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That's a fallacy. You're still a sinner and still unable to keep the law of GOD. Grace doesn't allow one to keep the law better; it allows one to be forgiven and abide in love which fulfills the whole purpose and the requirements of law. GOD is love, so those who abide in love are well pleasing to GOD.
 
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Do people who post here actually read all of the Word?

Have you read what Paul says about breaking the law? Do you believe the Word is the truth?

Read in the book, Romans, just what he teaches about sin, breaking the law, and grace.

No man since Yeshua is able to say the commandments, any of them, are no longer in effect. If someone does teach such, that person has not learned of the Holy Spirit.

So there are people here who cannot avoid killing, cannot avoid coveting, cannot avoid stealing, cannot avoid lying, cannot avoid disrespecting their parents, and so on.

The one some misguided folks are so vehemently against is the Sabbath of the Lord. I refer not to any sabbath for there are many in the Word.

If it is impossible for an individual to set aside a day as a Sabbath to the Lord and be grateful with Him for all He has done for us, I am led to believe those individuas are either totally misguided or just plain ingrates.

You want the Sabbath of the Lord on Sunday, fine as long as your heart, soul and mind are at peace in the sight of Yahweh, but do not attempt to teach others that the commandment to observe the Sabbath of the Lord is optional. This is just simple ingratitude and wicked to the Maker of all our blessings.
 
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livingbygrace said:
Yes, I agree totally with what Phil said. But the actual question refers to why Jesus did not say all of the Ten Commandments had to be kept. The young man specifically asked which commandments he had to keep. Jesus did not in reply say Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy. And he told the young man he could be perfect apart from keeping it. And at this time the Old Covenant was still in place, as Christ had not yet died on the cross
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Ah, but He was speaking to the fault of the rich young man, he had a problem with who was #1 in his life...

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

The rich young man's problem was this...

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

His god was wealth and he could not let go of it even while Christ was offering a discipleship that could have turned into more, maybe even an apostleship, but he could not overcome this problem.
 
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