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Elaborate so that I will know where you are coming from.
As I said before, I believe that the beast was Israel/Judah so as I have been saying that the destruction of Jerusalem/Temple was the destruction of the beast. God forced the end of the sacrifice to bring in/finalize the new. Since that time sacrifices could not be done because the Temple was destroyed and the priests were scattered. Just as we see in Nehemiah 7, you must have a confirmed lineage to be a priest. This lineage was made impossible to confirm in the destruction of Jerusalem.
Nehemiah 7:64
[SUP]64 [/SUP]These searched among their ancestral registration, but it could not be located; therefore they were considered unclean and excluded from the priesthood.
As I said before, I believe that the beast was Israel/Judah so as I have been saying that the destruction of Jerusalem/Temple was the destruction of the beast. God forced the end of the sacrifice to bring in/finalize the new. Since that time sacrifices could not be done because the Temple was destroyed and the priests were scattered. Just as we see in Nehemiah 7, you must have a confirmed lineage to be a priest. This lineage was made impossible to confirm in the destruction of Jerusalem.
Nehemiah 7:64
[SUP]64 [/SUP]These searched among their ancestral registration, but it could not be located; therefore they were considered unclean and excluded from the priesthood.
Ezekiel 44:7 when you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to profane it, even My house, when you offered My food, the fat and the blood; for they made My covenant void—this in addition to all your abominations.
hmm, why did you skip my other comments.. Makes me wonder 
Again, I do not claim to know everything (so I probably will not have an answer for everything that you ask), but I do know enough to not buy into a temple that will be built in our future (at least not one that is from God).
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1. Paul did not quote the old testiment in the verse I showed you. He is stating something is happening (partial hardening) and this will continue until something is completed (fullness of the gentiles) at which point something will occure (ALL Israel (national) Will at that time repent and come to Christ, or be saved.)
2. Then he quoted the OT to prove what he was saying WILL happen will.
2. Then he quoted the OT to prove what he was saying WILL happen will.
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Yep..
they made the mosaic covenant void. (again see lev 26. this was promised to happen)
Again lets stick to the topic. We are discussing the abrahaim covenant., Which was not a conditional covenant., (as was the mosaic) and was called an eternal covenant.
mankind can not void a covenant which is based on Gods promise of "I WILL". (non conditional covenant)
If he can, you better worry, because your covenant of grace is in jeopardy. If God can renig on his covenant to Israel. he can renig on his covenant with us, And say we have made it void.
they made the mosaic covenant void. (again see lev 26. this was promised to happen)
Again lets stick to the topic. We are discussing the abrahaim covenant., Which was not a conditional covenant., (as was the mosaic) and was called an eternal covenant.
mankind can not void a covenant which is based on Gods promise of "I WILL". (non conditional covenant)
If he can, you better worry, because your covenant of grace is in jeopardy. If God can renig on his covenant to Israel. he can renig on his covenant with us, And say we have made it void.
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Okay, I went back and answered everything that I may have missed the first time through. Let's take about whatever you want to talk about.
Again, I do not claim to know everything (so I probably will not have an answer for everything that you ask), but I do know enough to not buy into a temple that will be built in our future (at least not one that is from God).
Again, I do not claim to know everything (so I probably will not have an answer for everything that you ask), but I do know enough to not buy into a temple that will be built in our future (at least not one that is from God).
Which again shows you do not quite grasp what I believe yet..
Romans 9:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; [SUP]7 [/SUP]nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
So you do not believe the verse that says that "all Israel will be saved" is not referring to the Israel of the promise, but "children of the flesh"?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; [SUP]7 [/SUP]nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
So you do not believe the verse that says that "all Israel will be saved" is not referring to the Israel of the promise, but "children of the flesh"?
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your in romans 9. which is a different context.
lets stick to romans 11.. did he say at one time all isreal will be saved or did he not?
romans 11:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
lets stick to romans 11.. did he say at one time all isreal will be saved or did he not?
romans 11:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
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is it that, or is he saying the iron is mixed with clay. something that does not mix well.
the ten kings, the 3 destroyed, and the rest giving their allegiance to the beast. thus it is a strong, but fractured empire (iron and clay mix)
remember, all these beasts have to do with gentile empires. nothing to do with israel. except Israel being their slaves.
the ten kings, the 3 destroyed, and the rest giving their allegiance to the beast. thus it is a strong, but fractured empire (iron and clay mix)
remember, all these beasts have to do with gentile empires. nothing to do with israel. except Israel being their slaves.