Discernment in visions and dreams

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stonesoffire

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okay okay here's the deal......
(Shittim, I know this is leaving you on pins and needles, lol)
I was half awake this morning while browsing around CC........
I wasn't sure where I was on CC b/c I thought I clicked the thing on my alerts that said new activity in "discernment/visions and dreams"
so I just thought I'd check..........
yes, I had a dream last night........
after a long eventful day with the family in the heat (and with less than 3 hrs sleep the night before) I had a dream that recapped the day.........
NOTHING SYMBOLIC....... NOTHING SPIRITUAL.......
just a regular middle of the night, bodies going through what it goes through in sleep stages dream.

I haven't had A DREAM in the sense of divine encounters in a while....
"talk to me in my dreams tonight", isn't something that works for me. well I know of some people where that is a daily common encounter for them and that's awesome................
BUT FOR ME:
it happens when it happens because when it does happen IT STANDS OUT and I KNOW it was a heavenly message when it happens.
Me too.
 

garee

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hmmm....
sorry, doesn't work that way for me..........
anyhow I can't go back to sleep now......
kids are all up running amuck,lol
LOL Children dream evaders from another dimension space evaders .
 

shittim

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Garee- we are not in the old testament times, Christ has come and now indwells the born again believer.
 

stonesoffire

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We dont get that far.
We get raptured inside the facility.
Not all. Only the bride.
Mat 25
That scares me a bit, not for self but for many others.

I just had a dream too that I know was from the Lord. I fell asleep while listening to Curry Blake, Shittims video. The first part was I was in a basement of a large church, and there was a banquet going on. I was trying to speak to the people but was completely ignored.

That’s not hard to decipher. The second part...I went into another room and Blake was teaching there. I went up to him to try to tell him I was a special case because I have a spinal cord injury. His teachings are meat, no milk. All I could do was whisper....lol

I got the message.
 

7seasrekeyed

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Many years ago i had a repair shop in s texas. I had a doberman and a shepherd mix as guard dogs. My neighbor had a husky. We had a bad cold snap that lasted many days. Got down to 13 deg f. For a few days. It killed the husky

that's awful to read. all 3 dogs were outside during those temps?

never mind. I don't really wanna know...:censored::cautious:

perhaps the husky was an old dog?
 

garee

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A bunch of irrelevant commentary giving evidence of no understanding.

Garee... who are the unbelievers in this case?
Thanks for the reply..

LOL I am not giving evidence to your understanding. We seek the approval of God.

The ones that became believers when they heard the tongue of God the gospel of their salvation?

Answer: THERE AREN"T ANY UNBELIEVERS. Cornelius and his companions spoke in tongues, indicating that they were no longer unbelievers. Peter and his companions were believers. There were no unbelievers present. The "speaking in tongues" was NOT a sign to unbelievers, because there weren't any unbelievers there to observe the sign!
Where did they go? Who said unbelievers had to be there ? If a tree falls in the forest with no one there to hear it does it make a noise?

Again yes after they heard the tongue of God prophecy .And no one said unbeliever must be there in order for God to prophecy. proclaiming the gospel .Believer are still required to hear the tongue of God's prophecy.

It's that simple. You're complicating it with your irrelevant esoteric additions. Your position that "tongues" are always a sign to unbelievers cannot be correct, because it is not valid in this case.
The law in respect to signs does not change?

Its valid in every case . Would you like that I would offer a couple that show prophecy the tongue of God is for those who believe prophecy .Signs of rebellion for those who believe not prophecy . The law is given in 1 Corinthian 14:20-22 .. . the foundation in Isaiah 28 .

Where in Scripture does it say that 'tongues' are always a sign to unbelievers?
As in the sign is never in respect to believers, those who that beleive prophecy? or yet for all that they still refuse to believe prophecy. . . even then, they will not obey Him

1 Corinthians 14:20-22(ERV) Brothers and sisters, don’t think like children. In evil things be like babies, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults. As the Scriptures say,

“Using those who speak a different language
and using the lips of foreigners,
I will speak to these people.

But even then, they will not obey me.”
This is what the Lord says.

And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don’t believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers.
 

Dino246

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The ones that became believers when they heard the tongue of God the gospel of their salvation?
No. They spoke in tongues after becoming believers. There were no unbelievers present when they spoke in tongues.

Where did they go? Who said unbelievers had to be there ? If a tree falls in the forest with no one there to hear it does it make a noise?
You have implied that in your claim that tongues are always a sign to unbelievers. If there were no unbelievers present, why would God send a sign to them of their unbelief, or of anyone else's unbelief. Answer: He didn't. They spoke in tongues for another purpose... and because their tongues-speech had another purpose as recorded in Scripture, you cannot always apply the idea that tongues are a sign for unbelievers.

The law in respect to signs does not change?

Its valid in every case .
Except this one... and therefore not every one. Therefore, you cannot always apply the "law" (as you call it) in every case today.

Would you like that I would offer a couple that show prophecy the tongue of God is for those who believe prophecy .Signs of rebellion for those who believe not prophecy . The law is given in 1 Corinthian 14:20-22 .. . the foundation in Isaiah 28 .
For the umpteenth time, it isn't a "law". Scripture doesn't call it a law; only you do.

I asked you this previously and you didn't answer: Mary was given a sign; was she a rebel?

And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those
who don’t believe, not with those who believe.
The message in Isaiah 28 was to Israel, not every person at all times.

prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers.
No, prophecy does not "show how God works through believers." Prophecy is God's message... period. Prophecy is a sign to believers, but that is not the only thing that it is. It wasn't a sign to believers in the cases of Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, or Cyrus. Similarly, tongues-speech is a sign to unbelievers, but that is not the only thing that it is. In the case of Cornelius, it was a sign to Peter and the other apostles, who were believers!

You are conflating "speaking in tongues" (which Cornelius and his companions did after they were saved) with "the gospel" (which Peter preached to them before they were saved). That is incorrect. Scripture doesn't call "the gospel" a "tongue".
 

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that's awful to read. all 3 dogs were outside during those temps?

never mind. I don't really wanna know...:censored::cautious:

perhaps the husky was an old dog?
The guy left the husky tied up outside.
My 2 dogs were inside and fairly warm with a bunch of hay.
It was not old.
I dont know what they can take as far as freezing temps, but when i saw him outside i mentioned it and the idiot ASSURED me those dogs love the cold.
Idiot

...but i have done equally idiotic stuff
 

Absolutely

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No. They spoke in tongues after becoming believers. There were no unbelievers present when they spoke in tongues.


You have implied that in your claim that tongues are always a sign to unbelievers. If there were no unbelievers present, why would God send a sign to them of their unbelief, or of anyone else's unbelief. Answer: He didn't. They spoke in tongues for another purpose... and because their tongues-speech had another purpose as recorded in Scripture, you cannot always apply the idea that tongues are a sign for unbelievers.


Except this one... and therefore not every one. Therefore, you cannot always apply the "law" (as you call it) in every case today.


For the umpteenth time, it isn't a "law". Scripture doesn't call it a law; only you do.

I asked you this previously and you didn't answer: Mary was given a sign; was she a rebel?


The message in Isaiah 28 was to Israel, not every person at all times.


No, prophecy does not "show how God works through believers." Prophecy is God's message... period. Prophecy is a sign to believers, but that is not the only thing that it is. It wasn't a sign to believers in the cases of Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, or Cyrus. Similarly, tongues-speech is a sign to unbelievers, but that is not the only thing that it is. In the case of Cornelius, it was a sign to Peter and the other apostles, who were believers!

You are conflating "speaking in tongues" (which Cornelius and his companions did after they were saved) with "the gospel" (which Peter preached to them before they were saved). That is incorrect. Scripture doesn't call "the gospel" a "tongue".
Yes

Csi and i went round and round over acts 10.
Did you by chance see the exchange?
 

Dino246

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Yes

Csi and i went round and round over acts 10.
Did you by chance see the exchange?
No. Garee and I have been discussing this for months. This thread is just the latest.
 

garee

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Garee- we are not in the old testament times, Christ has come and now indwells the born again believer.

That is not a biblical idea. Grace has nothing to with one side of the cross and the other. Christ is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world

Christ had favor Abel but not Cain . If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to him.
 

Dino246

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That is not a biblical idea. Grace has nothing to with one side of the cross and the other. Christ is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world

Christ had favor Abel but not Cain . If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to him.
However, those faithful ones were not filled with the Holy Spirit as believers are post-resurrection.
 

garee

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You have implied that in your claim that tongues are always a sign to unbelievers. If there were no unbelievers present, why would God send a sign to them of their unbelief, or of anyone else's unbelief. Answer: He didn't. They spoke in tongues for another purpose... and because their tongues-speech had another purpose as recorded in Scripture, you cannot always apply the idea that tongues are a sign for unbelievers.
What you call tongues as a unknown wonderment God reveals as prophecy . He is the revealer of mysteries. The sign is not the doctrine .It confirm those who do not believe prophecy, the tongue.

Yes, God bringing prophecy spoken of in Joel through all the nations (daughters and son ) of the world is always a sign of unbelief to those not converted as new creatures.The Jews were used to represent no faith in natural man coming from hearing God . Jewish unbelief is not any different than gentile unbelief. The sign simply is representing mankind as a whole. Never a outward sign for those that do beleive . Metaphors that speak of the power of the gospel as their new tongue that follows after. . . getting the gospel out into the world.. of unbelief (no faith) Some do believe and receive a new tongue the power of the gospel

God sent the world a sign of unbelief when the Jew did not turn from denying prophecy . they representing unbelief mocked Him and now he is mocking unbelief. Making belief to no effect by the oral traditions of unconverted mankind .that refused to get under the hearing of faith .All things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Speaking in tongues one of the many manners of prophecy. It has one purpose that men might hear the gospel and believe and then with their new tongue the gospel, they can participate. Sends them out two by two.

No such thing as a sign gift, sign as a curse or rebellion yes. Spiritual gifts not seen yes . . .can't se a spirit .God can look into a heart.
 

garee

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However, those faithful ones were not filled with the Holy Spirit as believers are post-resurrection.
Hi thanks for the reply.

The same work of faith worked in them to both to will and do the good pleasure of God as that on this side of the first century reformation .If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong.

Abel heard the gospel, he believed God, it was accredited to him as a imputed righteousness .

The whole period of kings in Israel that came after a pagan form of government was used temporally as a parable for that time period until the time of the first century reformation . It is spoken of in 1 Peter as the trial of the faith of Christ that protects us as to how would we defend it .(not of our own selves) Showing us that were daily receiving the end of their new faith a living hope, from the beginning .The salvation of their soul .The faith we begin with that comes from hearing God as the same faith that works in us till the end .(Philippians 1:6)

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.1 Peter 1: 7-12

The glory came the graves were opened the spirits of the old testament entered the new Jerusalem as the bride of Christ.
 

Dino246

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Hi thanks for the reply.

The same work of faith worked in them to both to will and do the good pleasure of God as that on this side of the first century reformation .If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong.

Abel heard the gospel, he believed God, it was accredited to him as a imputed righteousness .

The whole period of kings in Israel that came after a pagan form of government was used temporally as a parable for that time period until the time of the first century reformation . It is spoken of in 1 Peter as the trial of the faith of Christ that protects us as to how would we defend it .(not of our own selves) Showing us that were daily receiving the end of their new faith a living hope, from the beginning .The salvation of their soul .The faith we begin with that comes from hearing God as the same faith that works in us till the end .(Philippians 1:6)

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.1 Peter 1: 7-12

The glory came the graves were opened the spirits of the old testament entered the new Jerusalem as the bride of Christ.
None of that supports your earlier assertion that "Christ has come and now indwells the born again believer" is "not a biblical idea".
 

Dino246

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What you call tongues as a unknown wonderment God reveals as prophecy . He is the revealer of mysteries. The sign is not the doctrine .It confirm those who do not believe prophecy, the tongue.

Yes, God bringing prophecy spoken of in Joel through all the nations (daughters and son ) of the world is always a sign of unbelief to those not converted as new creatures.The Jews were used to represent no faith in natural man coming from hearing God . Jewish unbelief is not any different than gentile unbelief. The sign simply is representing mankind as a whole. Never a outward sign for those that do beleive . Metaphors that speak of the power of the gospel as their new tongue that follows after. . . getting the gospel out into the world.. of unbelief (no faith) Some do believe and receive a new tongue the power of the gospel

God sent the world a sign of unbelief when the Jew did not turn from denying prophecy . they representing unbelief mocked Him and now he is mocking unbelief. Making belief to no effect by the oral traditions of unconverted mankind .that refused to get under the hearing of faith .All things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Speaking in tongues one of the many manners of prophecy. It has one purpose that men might hear the gospel and believe and then with their new tongue the gospel, they can participate. Sends them out two by two.

No such thing as a sign gift, sign as a curse or rebellion yes. Spiritual gifts not seen yes . . .can't se a spirit .God can look into a heart.
I don't call tongues "a (sic) unknown wonderment"; you do.

None of what you wrote supports your position or refutes mine. The case of Cornelius absolutely undermines your position that tongues are always a sign to unbelievers. No amount of irrelevant convolution is going to change that.