DIVORCE ---Abusive Relationship---What does the bible say ? ? ? ?

Ariel82 · May 21, 2013

thank God

I don't know what to say to this... I would have to pray more about it because personally I'm not convinced its a sin. I'd like to see the Bible verses people would use to say it is.

What does the Bible say about a woman who's husband abuses her, is she bound to him or did he break the marriage covenant through his actions?

according to US Law, the husband is at fault and has left the marriage. there a legal term for it. I wonder however what the Bible says about it.

God does NOT want you to go back to the abuse. God will NOT cast you out of Heaven if you trust fully in Christ and give your life to him. I think its too soon to try and build a romantic relationship with him. I think it would be better to just be friends and go to some counseling for abused women and learn not to become another victim.

I know some women who move from one abusive man to another because the other is "better" in that he only beats her every week instead of every day. (not saying you are, just a story to illustrate a point)

when you are in the bottom, almost anything is "better"

will keep praying for you and your family. God bless and keep you. just remember you are not alone. You have God beside you.

foundling · May 22, 2013

This is just my opinion, but first of all there is a cycle going on since he was a child. There is quite a bit of healing needed for both you and him. I do believe he's minipulating you to come back to him. He can't change years of abuse overnight or on his own. This is going to take some time, unless of course The Lord performs a miracle(which I believe He can). I would suggest like most have already, that you find a Christian counselor, research to see if they are qualified in abusive relationships, and start even if he doesn't yet. So, you can begin the process and healing now. Keep praying for him and wait to see if he is willing to get help too. This is going to take time. Don't rush into decisions, take this time of being separated and use it to get help yourself.

MissPickles · May 22, 2013

Ive been Praying about my situation. I feel that GOD has lead me to this decision. GOD gave me a way out. He tried to keep me there, I stayed 20years, hoping my husband would see the light. I have told my husband that. I said, I tried to tell you to attend Church with me on A Sunday or a Wednesday. Grant it, I also could have attended more than I did through the years. But my husband said to me: (The last year you was here I was trying so much harder with things). But, his abuse did not stop. I couldnt call him a alcolohic. But he drank on diffrent occasions to a drunken state, within the last year I was there. He constainly would put me down. Telling me to just leave no one wanted me there, almost in a evil state. Where I was afraid, as days grew closer to my leaving because I was having to wait on my place to stay. He was more and more getting irritated. Like he had did in the past. I was afraid of this man when he was in a rage. The day came for me to leave. I started moving. ((He helped me move)) so did he cast me out????? Now he has had to think about what has happened. He continally ask me back to the house. But, I cant trust he is being sincere, or he needs someone there to wash, cook , clean and make his life easier. He tells me that since I have left I have commited Adultry by seeing this other man. I explained to him that his abuse came before my Adultry. I stood by him and let him choke me, put my head through a wall, throw my around like a old rag, just a few months before I left he got angry on our vacation, because we didnt have a plan while we where there in a big city as to what to do. I preteneded to ignore him hoping he would stop his fit of anger, He grabs my phone and throws it through the dash of the car. With my children in the backseat . My son agrees with him, looking at me. Whats the plan mama. I knew on that day. When my kids are agreeing with him. I had to find a way out of this terrible situation. I started Praying GOD would find me a way. A few months later I found an apartment. Signed my lease and was to move in. He talked me out of it and said he could change. I gave him another year. Nothing Changed. He started back with the mental abuse, neglect and the alcohol thing on a few occaions my son was present.
I do feel as GOD did find me a way out. But, I have stood by this man for 20years and when I left my heart felt empty. Could not take anymore. But he starts back in on me now. Telling me that GOD will cast me out if I dont save this marriage. In GODS eyes we are married til death do us part. That I have commited adultry one of the Ten Commandants. I never started seeing this other man til after I left that home. The abuse came first. I told him I think GOD hears my heart and he would not want you abusing me like that. Like he did, Like I put up with for soo long. The Bible says that I can divorce you on grounds on a hardened heart. He says he will not pay for his half of it neither will he file. I know the reason he feels that way beause he is afraid GOD will convict him if he divorces me. The Bible states that. I think he did the day he helped me move my things out. He didnt think I could make it on my own. But, I continue to be blessed my GODS grace that I am provided with a roof over my head and hot meal for me and my kids on the days I have them. I keep them generally 4 days and he has them 3. But I take them to school everyday. So I see my children all 7 days, and in constant contact with them. But, He tells people I turned my back on my faamily and left. I am still the one at school functions, doctors appts the whole nine yards. Until I can find a place closer to my kids and move them in with me for good. But, can I biblically speaking be the one who divorces him. What does the bible say about Adultry after I leave the home and still married to him??

GreenNnice · May 22, 2013

MissPickles said:

Funny how the Lord leads, mrspickles. I just put this verse in another thread, in the singles forum, and, here it is, I think, still here in the copy and paste of my computer so I will put it down and consider it another divine understanding for you, I pray it is, in Love, again, I pray you do what the Lord leads, not what the best advice from all us leads you to. The Lord leads

I read your entire post and the 'head through wall' needs the Divine's help for you and your husband, I think Christian counseling is 'the way' to go, but YOU follow Him.

John 21:22 OK, milady, and, please, not now, no man is good in your life now but your pastor and any good friend guy you KNOWN FOREVER and will only be your advocate, not tempt you. You just need God now, get rid of the temptation of that friend is MY advice, but you know what I said just before right, YOU follow His advice for you. I would start praying right now, for this guy you're seeing now, just as a friend it sounds like , which is good, will understand that He in your life now is not best, like others have said, not best for you, not best for your husband, not good for your children, or, anyone else, in my opinion.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

twotwo · May 23, 2013

MissPickles said:

Nobody likes divorces but this is a reality of life because evil exists. Choking his spouse, putting her head through a wall, throwing her around like an old rag, humiliating and abusing her are all good reasons to divorce especially if it lasted twenty years. What your husband did to you is an abomination to the eyes of God. Indeed, Jesus said that whoever is angry with someone is subject to punishment like a murderer. And whoever insults another person is subject to the Gehenna of fire. Hence, pray for your ex because he really needs your prayers. Besides, Jesus asked us to pray for those who persecute us.

The bible is a collection of 66 books which were written over three to four thousand years by many authors. Each book should be understood in relation to its cultural background. Being written in the bible, does not necessarily mean that it comes from God. For example, the Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman who was taken in flagrant offence of adultery. The Law of God in the old testament is very clear and says that this woman must be stoned to death. However, Jesus the Son of God did not condemned her even if the Scripture commands to stone her. God is not a monster but a Father who understand his children and has compassion on them.

You prayed and came out with these thoughts: I feel that GOD has lead me to this decision. GOD gave me a way out. Hence, if God inspired you to divorce, then why worry about it? It is common sense that a pedophile must not be allowed to spend time with children. Similarly, an abuser must not be allowed to live with his victim anymore. By divorcing, you send a unambiguous message to your abuser that violence against women is not acceptable. You are also teaching to your children that physical or psychological violence is an abomination and that they should behave properly with their spouses or they will lose them. A man does not have the right to abuse his spouse. Period.

Jesus is your best friend and he will never let you down! Come to me, says Jesus, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

What Does the Bible Say About Abuse in Marriage?

RedTent · May 23, 2013

I am so glad you have decided to not go back. I know it is tough. It isn't only what he has done, but that you are one with a man who is capable of doing them. They are a reflection of who he is. It isn't just that he stops mistreating you, but that he becomes a person who would not mistreat you ever. He can change and be a new person in God, but you are not God who can know that if he does. He proved to you who he was, that is enough. For him to say he changed isn't enough. Even if you still loved him, it wouldn't be enough.

God always looks at us with love. When he created the Jewish race, and taught them His principles, he had them protect themselves from harmful people. If there was a person who eye witnesses saw that they were capable of murder, God said to rid themselves of that person. Every one of God's laws were for the protection of His people. God wants you protected, too.

When you read the Song of Solomon, you can see what God means by "the two shall become one". It has far reaching meaning. When one of the pair beats up on the other, it is a deal breaker.

GreenNnice · May 23, 2013

RedTent said:

The ONLY dealbreaker I see is not letting the Lord have a CHANCE to heal hearts, mend broken lives, He is in THAT business. It does not sound like that has ever been given a chance. So, if mrspickles husband will answer her questions in her letter that she asks about why he has treated her like he has, and saying it's biblical, when SCripture says men are to treat their wives with a 'fear of the Lord' understanding. "By doing that kind of 'biblical' then my leaving because of your hurt to me, both verbal (blaming you for plan on vacation WAS verbal abuse and then kids on his side and he did not stick up for you was MORE verbal abuse) and physical is what Jesus would want me to do. Divorce is not right, but, I'm wondering now if when we married IF God actually put us together, because your actions do not reflect His Love."

I would wait for your husbands response when you tell him these things, he NEEDS to hear them, doesn't he? I am not a counselor, so, maybe, this STEP should be gone over with a Christian counselor in discussion before you actually write your husband a letter asking him why he could hurt you in so many ways, physcially, verbally, in front of your kids and think that was what being a Christian was, what someone who claimed Christ their Saviour and Lord and understands Christ's grace to us so we are to demonstrate that to others, especially the one you vowed to in marriage. The married partner, who is the wife, is the 'weaker vessel' , this is what Scripture says, why did you treat me with dishonor and power over that weakness."

I pray God sorts through what's been said, of all these helps from people, mrspickles, God bless you, I am praying for you, and, please, the Lord WILL PROVIDE, get away from that other guy you are living with now, that is not right, and, it will give your kids a wrong message and your husband just doesn't need that right now either IF you are going to have a remote chance of God bringing a cure to your relationship, a miraculous cure, and, yes, God is in that business

RedTent · May 24, 2013

GreenNnice said:

Such good points, ones I didn't think of. I was personalizing it. When my husband died I married a man who was incapable, as the person he was, of being a husband as I found out after I married him. I stayed, for Christ's sake, but looking back I don't think Christ wanted me to live under such abuse. This man would tell me that as a Christian I should forgive. He was sorry and said he would change. But he could not be what he wasn't, he tried but God would have had to make him a new man and he didn't understand about that. His intentions always amounted to nothing.

It seems to me the actions shows the man as he is, so it isn't a matter of his explaining or being forgiven, or thinking they will change. Only God knows of a change in the person they are, you can't as a human know.

She knows this is a man who hits. She knows he would like to change. I think she has to live her life based on what she knows of him. It has nothing to do with judging or forgiveness, but self protection and God asks us to do that.

GreenNnice · May 24, 2013

RedTent said:

Yes, yes, excellent redtentHis, God can make mrspickles mrpickles a NEW MAN. He did when her husband accepted Him and, though, His actions are definitely sin, we cannot truly judge His salvation with God, although it's quite obvious that God is not pleased with mrpickled's current treatment of his wife and earlier treatment in their marriage.

Yes, but God CAN make him a new man. That's right, he has to repent, he need to do Godly sorrow repentance, which means he needs to authentically be sorry to God for how he's treated his wife all these years. God forgave Cain. That is my best example of a story of one who did a horrible heinous crime--murder!-- and God CHANGED Cain into a man that could serve Him. Cain acknowledged God's punishment, and, undoubtably there will be repercussions and things that will be in mrspickles' favor should she decide to go back, also, she can have also some forgiveness from her husband's side IF she was having affair with this other guy, I think, she told me she was not in bed with him, just 'living with another man,' and this seems odd and certainly different, but good. the Lord leads. I am just saying that God, indeed, can RENEW the husband's mind of abusive thoughts IF the man truly comes repentent to God, contrite, and, then, for the rest of his life, his change is seen. And, his life-change WILL be seen by how he treats mrspickles, his wife, and, how he supports her around the kids and how he LEADS the family in church things. The man of the house is to do that, be the spiritual leader of the house. I like this verse: As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

I think, and, I'm guessing, the kids are SUPPORTING dad because he is allowing them to do the things they want to do , which is maybe not going to church, I'm just guessing, probably shouldn't do that, but mrspickles is trying to stay strong to God. But, also, if her kids know of her living with another man now, then, that is going to make mrpickles tell them bad things of her now, that is normal, I think. Anyway, there is a lot of pain and abuse and things that need professionally spoken of in a Christian counselor setting and the Lord MUST be allowed to work. He will work, like you said, redtentHis, but ONLY if those parties involved--mrs pickles and mrpickles--do not just say 'I want to change,' but, that they say, 'I am now realizing He is changing me.'

Ariel82 · May 24, 2013

1. she says she has her kids 4 out of 7 days.

2. she has stated she has her own apartment and just went on a few dates with another man. they are NOT living together.

3. talk is cheap and until he stops using tactic such as guilt and twisting of scriptures to manipulate her into staying or going back to him, i don't see the change. If God really changes his heart, he will say "I'm sorry, you deserve better. I want you to be happy even if its not with me. I should never have hit you. I love you and even if you don't want to be part of my life I will always love you." or something like that to show that he has learned what it means to put the needs of another person over his own.

wordhelpsme · May 24, 2013

My heart goes out to you. No one is required to stay in an abusive relationship, man, woman or child. Too many injuries and even deaths have resulted from abuse.

Foremost is your relationship with God. Examining the scriptures carefully can help you to get his thoughts.

Consider Abigail, her marriage to Nabal could not have been a bed of roses. Nabal, whose name means senseless or stupid, was a good for nothing person. He was gluttonous and a drunkard. In this condition he was probably a constant threat to her physical and mental well being. Imagine Abigail’s constant anxieties being married to such a person. 1 Samuel 25 NIV, KJV, DARBY

Fair or not, Abigail used her sensibleness by speaking at appropriate times and with reasonable words. (Romans 12:21) Your reasonableness could have helped the children have a more balanced family life. If it took holding your tongue it was worth it for the children’s sake. I do not know deep details of your relationship with the children or their relationship with their father.

This quality I see in you restraint, though in fear it was sensible according to your situation and kept peace in your marriage. At 1 Corinthians 6:7 it speaks of letting yourself be wronged to keep peace. I have been married 35 years and have practiced this a lot. I am a Christian, my husband is not interested. The key is not to dwell on the imbalances in the marriage but to find and embrace the victories, as not to lose your joy. We have two well-balanced sons. This counsel is hard to do, my personality allows it.

Do not think of yourself as being wronged, but pleasing God. His spirit can bring you joy, peace and happiness. Proverbs has many suggestions on matters of the tongue.
Proverbs 12:18; 15:1-4; 15:23, 28; 16:24; 17:14; 18:21; 21:21; 31:26 NKJV, NIV, ASV

Concerning God's view of divorce, it has no room for interpretation, he hates divorcing. We want to hate what he hates.

He has given one exception to be released from a marriage, fornication (adultery). I am sure you do not want to do this.

At to another relationship so long as you are legally married in God’s eyes it should not be considered. In new relationships personalities are disguised. Statistics show second marriages have less of a survival rate. Examine the workings of your heart. Jeremiah 17:9-10 NIV, NKJV

GreenNnice · May 24, 2013

Ariel82 said:

That's good information, I apologize if I got it wrong, I was going on this for why I said what I said, anariel, I think what needs done is the defining of 'relationship,' but, at any rate, just seeing another man for comfort is not the best option for mrspickles now, I said that she should see a lady of the church who is in a good Godly marriage, or, even, her pastor, for help.

At least, I think that's what I said, that's what I meant, oh, to be soo a beary of beary widdle brains.

But, no, I don't mean to make light of this very serious situation, I pray the Lord enlightens mrspickles as she goes to Him, now, really just saying 'Lord, I surrender all,' listening to CC Winans, that's a song God used in my life to refresh my mind on what I THOUGHT was important and what He KNEW was important in my life.

mrspickles:

Also, there was a typo that fooled me and I since changed it, the sentence that read '...left the home I lived him with my husband," had 'him' when the word is 'in' , and, I read it as "...after I left the home I lived with Him..." But, that's my bad read of the sentence, hey, that's what happens when you got dyslexia and four eyes, isn't it

I'm not saying this guy mrspickles is going to for comfort now is 100% a bad decision either, the Lord leads, I do not know this man and if ALL this man is doing is giving her guided words of Christian, godly comfort, then, perfect for her to be seeing him, UNTIL she goes to a counselor and he tells the next stage. Who knows, we don't know anariel, maybe, this person is a well-trusted family friend of BOTH mr and mrspickles and he's truly a God-send in her time of need now.

I pray 'that' is the case.

And, IF this man is living with her or just you know what, then, mrspickles, before she gets done reading this post, NEEDS to fleeeeeeee that man !

All that said, it's best for mrspickles to pray, so, she can seek God first, and seek His righteousness, which means, we are to seek being morally right in His eyes, spiritually right in His eyes, having a 'right standing with God' explains the meannig of 'righteousness' word well, I think.

I'm praying for mrspickles, she's been through a lot, and, I pray she knows that the good news is that God can and will get us through anything, perfectly, when we go to Him

MissPickles · May 24, 2013

seems my story got misread along the way somewhere. so I will start only asking one question at a time.
does God allow for divorce for abuse? and he says I committed adultery. but that was after I left the house. in my own home. I have asked for forgiveness of my sin. I still see this Guy but told him no sex til.my divorce is final in August. the abuse came before the adulty. he keeps telling me I can't leave him. in God's eyes we are married. please help me sort this out

Ariel82 · May 24, 2013

MissPickles said:

God allows for you to leave him and not live with him, but I'm not sure if it allows for divorce and remarriage.

i haven't seen Bible verses about it.

However, I know many Christians who have divorced and remarried.

1 Corinthians 7

Verse 15 talks about how if an unbeliever leaves the brother or sister then can remarry.

It could be argued that he left the marriage in heart and spirit by beating you and not respecting his vows to love and cherish you as he should.

the only verses I found about remarriage is for young widows...

1 Timothy 5: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

I guess you could say that unbelievers are "dead" spiritually.

I'd be very careful with this new guy. Is he Christian? Is he grounded in the faith? does he pray daily?

sorry I can't be more help. Pray and ask God what to do.

May God keep you and remember He loves you no matter what.

GreenNnice · May 24, 2013

MissPickles said:

This situation is beyond my understanding, mrspickles, I wish I could say more, I think, anariel says things well in her latest post and she speaks from a woman's perspective , while, I speak, of course, from a man's . There is going to be a difference, a bias, quite likely, a conflicting answer for you, based solely on that fact.

Guys on this forum, especially now that you've opened up you did commit adultery, will side with the husband, some, now. while, girls, I think most of the ladies will side with the wife, that's you, mrspickles

So, that's a true facet of fact there, like it or not, guys will gravitate toward their gender and women, their's.

Here is what I see, and, I did not want to say it before I knew for sure you'd committed adultery. You've both made mistakes in God's eyes, but, also, Romans 8:1 speaks this truth, "there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus." You both belong, so, this is not about losing your salvation, or, being 'condemned,' which is a far harsher word than 'judged.'
And, we are judged for our actions, but God, ultimately, is who judges us and He can use others, like God used Nathan to let David know of David's sin in killing Uriah. But, Nathan, too, was a prophet for David, who told David his child in Bathsheba's womb (from adultery) would die. So, maybe, David is not the best exampled of our being judged by others. God does say this in Romans 7:1. :Judge not and you will be not judged." Luke 6:37 is the same, Jesus speaking to The Twelve, I believe. Anyway, yes, it is Jesus speaking

But, yeah, what I was saying before I so rudely interrupted myself is that you are equally UNyoked now in having done things, as God says not one sin is worse than another. Adultery=abused. I know, you are probably thinking I am flipping off the 'green' end. But, the Lord leads these words, I hope and pray, and, by YOUR having committed adultery and YOUR husband having disciplined you by force, yes, it's abuse what's been described,k there is, odd as it may seem, a balance, there is equal 'abuse' to the marriage. Adultery is 'abuse' to your husband, too. Like it or not, it IS, milady, mrspickles.

So, you both sinned, and, sin is sin is sin, some sin carries worse repercussions, and, God is to mete out that punishment for our sins, and, we ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God and God laces our punishment, ALWAYS, with grace and mercy.

So, you both can go to a Christian counselor and be able to ask for forgiveness for something, it's not one person having been 'bad,' so to speak. This works in your BOTH's favor , I think, God can work through anything but the fact you both abused each other lends help to your healing process, that is, IF both can call on God for strength to forgive the other

But, to answer your one question. I would say this, with all the information I know. Adultery is abuse. Divorce hurts the kids the most, usually, something to think about, but, again, the Lord will provide and IF you can't come to a point of giving God a chance through writing husband a letter in 'Love' asking why he treated you like he did for so many years, and, also going to see a Christian counselor by yourself, at first, and, I think, then, will come the time with your husband, both these 'times' with counselor will offer healing, as He leads you and you follow Him. ,

But, yeah, despite whatever decision you make, to try to give your husband a chance since he SAYS he's changed, then do NOT go back to the house, but DO write him a letter that explains what was said above.

God? He still Loves you no matter what decision you make, and, that will not change, ever. You are with Him, you are His sheep and he cares for his sheep, just don't leave that pasture with another sheep and a man enticing you to adultery NOW is not a man you should be with, now or, I say, ever

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and, lean not on your own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths ." Proverbs 3: 5-6

Ariel82 · May 24, 2013

abuse is NOT discipline.

GreenNnice · May 24, 2013

Ariel82 said:

Discipline that is abuse. I am not saying it's right, I'm just saying that her husband , if they go to a counselor, was probably not labeling what things he did to her as abuse, some of them, anyway, the man is the head of the wife and he should treat her with respect and not touch her body in a negative way, but, HEY!, some husbands take the 'spare the rod, spoil the child' to the 'wife' degree. And, they don't spare the 'rod' on the wife, and, again, I am NOT agreeing with abuse, anariel, not in the LEAST bit, but I am saying that a man, a husband, sees things differently than a wife, and, he can EVEN be seeing that what he's doing is 'Love' when it's not really. I know, I know, this sounds a bit bizarre for a woman to hear, and, maybe, even, some men. But, that is the truth, we are wired differently and one is the head of the other and that being the man over the women. He must make decisions of things and sometimes his decisions are bad, and, in the case of this husband, they are very bad decision and, I think, some of his decisions were not thought of as abuse, even though , YES!, they were abuse, the husband just THOUGHT he was disciplining his wife.

And, of course, the husband was NOT making decisions with Christ his head, men need to be over their wives with the 'fear of God' understanding in them. Wives ARE to submit to their husbands, but the man must fully understand that she is making a voluntary choice and he must reciprocate a respect and honor to her, and, as the bible says, the female is the 'weaker vessel.'

Again, I am not sticking up for the husband here, I am merely saying that things are different in thinking from the one species to the other and one thing in one's eyes is/can be entirely different in another's. I don't want to be naive here, this abuse went on for a long time, but the husband was probably trying to do whatever he could to not lose control of his marriage; he made bad mistakes trying to 'stop the bleeding,' and, meaning to tie the tourniquet on to stop the bleeding of the femoral artery, has tied it too loose and though he did what he thought was right, the bleeding out is continuing, and, I AGREE, in human terms, this marriage looks like it's about DEAD. But I KNOW that my thinking matters not, and, it is the right thing to do to LET God work a miracle in mrs and mr pickles marriage, if He wants to do it.

As alike as we are, anariel, as God made us, 'in His image,' we are stiill VERY, VERY different

It's good, too, mrspickles goes here for help but, ultimately, this needs to all be God's plan for her, hopefully, she is praying that c.c. is a place she should be getting help. I pray my answers lean on Him and with that, this is a great verse for her

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not on thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths

MissPickles · May 24, 2013

he abused me while we were still living together. choke me on our honeymoon. bashed my head on a wall. threw me inti the fireplace and jumped me other times. even when I was pregnant with our son. I didn't commit adultery until after I moved put from the house. living in my own dwelling. I still see this other man until my divorce is final. but me and this other man no longer have sex until after the divorce is final he understands.

RedTent · May 24, 2013

MissPickles said:

God allows divorce. God says it is because of who we are as humans that He allows it, if we lived only as He tells us to live we would not need divorce. But God puts restrictions on it. That is the discussion here, does God want it for you in your case?

Sex is a very, very serious thing. Two become one through sex. It is a separate issue. Abuse from you husband, living apart, boy friend does not enter into how God thinks of it. To have sex at any time when It does not mean that you become one in everything, from breakfast to deciding on the car you share, is not sex as God sees it. It takes very serious things to break the bond it gives you with a sex partner. Your husband is right, you committed adultery. You are right to stop. You need Christ's forgiveness, Christ's ability to make you clean.

Ariel82 · May 24, 2013

Greenie I think at this point you should let it drop.

men and women are NOT different species and if he thinks that abuse is "discipline" and the wife should be treated like a child then. He is wrong on both accounts.

You don't have sex with kids and you don't "discipline" your wife with your fists.

the guy has issues, his mom used to beat him as a kid but at some point people have to stop being the victim or the bully and learn to grow up and accept that they are WRONG and are in need of a Savior.

People need to stop blaming others and accept responsibility for their actions and their choices.

God tells us to forgive others, but He does not require us to trust them.

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