Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

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Jhn 9:24So for the second time they called in the man who had been blind and told him, "God should get the glory for this, because we know this man Jesus is a sinner."
Jhn 9:25"I don't know whether he is a sinner," the man replied. "But I know this: I was blind, and now I can see!"

In this exchange we find that some are willing to pass down a conviction due only to their own need to be seen as something they are not. Keep in mind that not long ago, they were saying how HaShem and only HaShem the pwoer to forgive sin, yet here they take on the roll of HaShem in passing judgment on Yeshua. Reminds of many of the things said about my self and others on this sight. So as always, I will let HaShem be my judge, just as we know HaShem judged Yeshua and found Him to be perfect in every way.

Jhn 9:26"But what did he do?" they asked. "How did he heal you?"
Jhn 9:27"Look!" the man exclaimed. "I told you once. Didn't you listen? Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples, too?"
Jhn 9:28Then they cursed him and said, "You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses!
Jhn 9:29We know God spoke to Moses, but we don't even know where this man comes from."

Before anyone gets the idea that we are followers of Moses, let me explain something to you. Though you have made clear that you will forget, over look or just ignore it just to bring up the same old worn out argument over the law in any post I open.
Yeshua is our savoir, Yes we do follow the laws of HaShem, as He gave them to the people. Now keep in mind, there is this thing called the 10 utterances. Remember why HaShem spoke to the people, wheen they first got to Mont Sinai? The people were scared after that, so they said Moses you go talk him, and we will do what ever He tells you. Well the 10 utterances is what we call HaShems law to man kind. If anyone would take the time to study this, they would find that HaShem spent the 40 days teaching Moses about the Temple services. The sacrifices, feast, and so on. We will see if anyone has any question on that when we return, for now let us move forward.

Jhn 9:30"Why, that's very strange!" the man replied. "He healed my eyes, and yet you don't know where he comes from?
Jhn 9:31We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but he is ready to hear those who worship him and do his will.
Jhn 9:32Ever since the world began, no one has been able to open the eyes of someone born blind.
Jhn 9:33If this man were not from God, he couldn't have done it."

If we really look at this, we soon see that the blind man understood one thing for sure. man kind doesn't hold the power to heal anyone. If you were sick and went to the doctor, and he does everything he knows how to, yet can't heal you, do we say the doctor is complainant? Some will for sure. Yet have we ever thought that if HaShem has placed said illness on us, no doctor will be able to help? Yet even with that being placed before them, here is their reply.

Jhn 9:34"You were born a total sinner!" they answered. "Are you trying to teach us?" And they threw him out of the synagogue.

Many people hold this same illogical reaction when faced with a truth they don't want see. Trust me, when a person on here that thinks they can change my understanding is faced with the fact that they simply don't have the understanding to do so, they turn to insults, belittlement, and have even said flat out they will get ride of me. Funny really as the Word tells us there is nothing new under the sun. Ecc. 1:9

Jhn 9:35When Jesus heard what had happened, he found the man and asked, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?
Jhn 9:36The man answered, "Who is he, sir? I want to believe in him."
Jhn 9:37"You have seen him," Jesus said, "and he is speaking to you!"
Jhn 9:38"Yes, Lord, I believe!" the man said. And he worshiped Jesus.

At first the man had no idea Who Yeshua was. He wanted to know Him, and wanted to believe in Him. Once the blind man was told what he wanted to know, he believed, and worshiped Yeshua. So why did this man want to believe? Was it due to his being healed, or did he know the truth of who the Mashiach was already?

Jhn 9:39Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment—to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind."
Jhn 9:40Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?"
Jhn 9:41"If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.

This gets into just one reason some think, and we are among them, that John was a kabbolistic Master. Though this is only a small example of this, and we do wish to say, "Please don't get into Kabbolah without the guidance of a true master.

Any way, Yeshua came first to help us better see where we stand in conection to haShem's will. When we are blind to something, it simply means we don't see it for what it really is, Yeshua wished to remove that blindness, so we can see the truth. Does this mean that some on here are blinded to it? Yes it does. Just as it is clear that not one person can ever say, "Not me I know everything." and be standing on the truth.
We know we can be wrong, though we are also sure that not many people hold the kind of understanding it would take to change our hearts and minds. Yet we also understand that if a person with more understanding than us were to confrunt us, we would see that they do have this, and we will hear them out, ask a bagillon questions, in hopes of seeing what we have wrong, or just a part of. In this manner, one learns to be open to others teachings, and seek out THE TRUTH.
Now that last passage holds something most will miss. When Yeshua tells them if they were blind they wouldn't be guilty. He is not speaking of physical blindness. He is speaking of being blind to the true teachings of Scripture. In this case, the Torah. So why the torah? When one speaks of scripture in the Word, they are speaking of the Tanakh. After all, there was no so called N.T. until around 350 AD.
For everyone reading this, I hope you are enjoying it and that you learn something new. May your study be blessed, adn the Spirit guide your heart and mind to THE TRUTH.

 

[Slimsumo]

How many of you think Yeshua kept the fest? Do you know why, and what feast have been fulfilled by Him to date?

Yeshua kept all the feasts, fulfilled the spring feasts, the rest are fulfilled after the second coming

 

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Jhn 10:1"I tell you the truth, anyone who sneaks over the wall of a sheepfold, rather than going through the gate, must surely be a thief and a robber!
Jhn 10:2But the one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep recognize his voice and come to him. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Jhn 10:4After he has gathered his own flock, he walks ahead of them, and they follow him because they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5They won't follow a stranger; they will run from him because they don't know his voice.

This chapter as we understand it, tells us of Yeshua, and His followers. As we should know Yeshua is the shepherd, His followers are the sheep. So here a question I love to see you answer. How will you know His voice, if you don't Him, His life, His faith, and teachings?
The reason we ask this is simple. When it comes to a study of Yeshua, based only on the books that teach us His ways, some wish to turn to Paul to try and nullify the sound teachings of Yeshua. In our minds this shows that they will looking for the wrong leader. After all, if one was to open a school on lets say survival, and they teach you to filter, and boil all water, they are teaching sound and proven facts to go with this. Like the fact that any water from a river holds bad things that can make you really sick, or even kill you. They will also teach that from it's source, (i.e. where it comes out of the ground, or is melted from snow or ice ) that water is clean and ready to drink with out the above being done.
Now you read something about fast moving water being clean, so who do listen too? In one of my classes this came up, and we did a simple test to find the truth. I sent one student to find a spring, (where the water comes out the ground ) and the one that stood firm on the idea that fast moving water was clean to find what he seen as clean water. They were both told not to trust anything they were told, and not to drink any of the water.
We then sent both samples to be tested. The fast moving "clean" water came back with some nasty things in it, which include bacteria, protozoa, viruses, and parasites. Like I said nothing good.
The spring water, ( where it came out of the ground ) held some higher than normal minerals, small amounts of electrolytes, and trace elements of none harmful bacteria.
So why an odd analogy? We use this to try and get to point Yeshua made. If we have a great teacher, one that only uses proven methods, when a question comes up, we turn to their teachings. In other words, we hear that teachers voice in our head giving us sound teachings, and understanding. So we can say we know that teachers voice. When we let others lead us away from that sound doctrine, we may end up really sick, or dead.
So when anyone tries to dismiss the teachings of HaShem, they become that river water. It may look the same, just as we should understand the spirit of the antichrist will appear much like Yeshua. Yet when tested, we will see the truth nature of this spirit.
We look forward to no real answers coming to the above question. Just as we understand that some will try to say we are wrong, with no real evidence to back the claim. Once again I find it ever so sad that the topic of Yeshua, is pushed aside, and so few are willing to even look at Him.

 

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Jhn 10:6Those who heard Jesus use this illustration didn't understand what he meant,
Jhn 10:7so he explained it to them: "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.
Jhn 10:8All who came before me were thieves and robbers. But the true sheep did not listen to them.
Jhn 10:9Yes, I am the gate. Those who come in through me will be saved. [fn] They will come and go freely and will find good pastures.
Jhn 10:10The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.
Jhn 10:11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd sacrifices his life for the sheep.
Jhn 10:12A hired hand will run when he sees a wolf coming. He will abandon the sheep because they don't belong to him and he isn't their shepherd. And so the wolf attacks them and scatters the flock.
Jhn 10:13The hired hand runs away because he's working only for the money and doesn't really care about the sheep.
Jhn 10:14"I am the good shepherd; I know my own sheep, and they know me,
Jhn 10:15just as my Father knows me and I know the Father. So I sacrifice my life for the sheep.

There is a lot to unpack in the passages given. However as we know we are dealing with many that know so little about Yeshua, we will keep it simple.
Many today seem to have over looked the meaning found here, so in a simple explanation, Yeshua is telling us 3 things for sure.
1 He is the sacrifice that opened the door for us to find true salvation.
2 He is the only way to said salvation.
3 He has left us a promise of a good life.

Now some teach that this means we will have everything we want on this earth. I think the lable for this is prosparity doctrine. Something we will look a bit more closely in time. For now it should be known that if we store up all our riches on earth, we a part of the earthly kingdom. When in fact we should, (as will be seen in time) we should strive to use what we have on this earth for the betterment of others. Does this mean don't buy a house, car, and what ever we need to make life a bit better on this earth? Not even. Even the Hebrew people were given land, built homes, and even wealth. Just kep in mind, the more you do for others with you have, the more you have to do for others.

With Yeshua being the only way to find salvation, and knowing that He is the way, the truth, and the light. We as His followers, and holding onto the faith of His, and HaShem's promises, would it not us good to understand Who He is, what He said, did, and followed? That answer is YES. I know some on here think the Jewishness of Yeshua simply isn't a thing, and that anything Jewish is sinful. I hold them in my prayers, and pray they will come to see the wrong in this. After all, we can't walk as He walked, with out a little of His faith showing through in our lives.

There is a teaching that the Jews killed Yeshua, and another that says the Romans did. Both are wrong, He gave His life, so that we may live. As we will see more clearly if we simply look at His words, and set aside our own understanding. I know someone is wanting to say, I teach my own understanding. They would be wrong, I do everything I can to keep my own stinking thinking our of it. That is why we study not as individuals, rather as a whole. This keeps us grounded, and focused on THE TRUTH, over my truth or yours.
There is so much more in the passages given, yet when one feeds a bay they don't give them meat, milk is what is needed. Don't get offened if you truly are ready for mean, Like I said, many on here are not. I never said no one is, so don't go down that road, please. If you are ready, then by all means give us that meat, and lets learn together. If not, then stay around, as meat is on the menu, just not yet.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I do everything I can to keep my own stinking thinking out of it. That is why we study not as individuals, rather as a whole. This keeps us grounded, and focused on THE TRUTH, over my truth or yours.

Amen. And, also let us not forget:

1) Bible study Rules!
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2) The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

 

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Once more we are going slow down a bit. So please hear us out, and think long and hard about is said. We don't think even for a second that we have it all done, and know all the answers, so please take a little time to really study what is placed before you.

Jhn 10:16I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd.

I am sure we all know by now, or should anyway, that this is speaking of the Gentile's that will follow Yeshua. The reason we say WILL FOLLOW, is that many simply can't get past their own stinken thinking. However when we look a little closer we find that the Jewish believers are also named in this passage. They are the ones that in the sheepfold. So if as some claim, the Jewish people are so bad and sinful, were they named as sheep in the fold?

Jhn 10:17"The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again.
Jhn 10:18No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded."

When we look at this passage, one thing seems to always come up. When in class, we ask one question. Who is it that killed Yeshua? Oddly we get the same 2 answers every time. Some say the Jews did, others say the Romans did. Yet when we look at what Yeshua said here, it is clear, no one took His life, He gave it freely. The only right answer to the above question is, No one took His life. Yet that is a fact that is not seen by many, as they simply can't or wont understand this simple fact.

Jhn 10:19When he said these things, the people were again divided in their opinions about him.
Jhn 10:20Some said, "He's demon possessed and out of his mind. Why listen to a man like that?"
Jhn 10:21Others said, "This doesn't sound like a man possessed by a demon! Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

I know I said this before, yet it is worth repeating. Having been the target of hate on this sight, I hold a rather unique persective on this. I know some will say that no one has ever said I was demon possessed, even though that is not true. Once again I wish to say, I am happy to persecuted in the same manner as Yeshua. As we will see later, it should a badge of honor. However this doesn't mean that we shouldn't call out false teachings, and do our best to put satan in his place.

Jhn 10:22It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication.

I don't know if anyone has ever had a chance to see Hanukkah first hand or not. We have thanks to our Jewish friends. It was without a doubt, eye opening. Not being sure how many understand the reason for this feast, let us lay it out in a short story.
When Antiochus IV Epipanes desicated the temple, Maccabeus rose up to defend the Jewish way of life. Once they won the war, they turned to the temple. It was cleansed, and rededicated. However they had a little problem. There was only enogh oil for the lamp to burn for one day, and it would take 7 days to make more. They said, light it anyway, so they did. That one day of oil burned for 8 days. Some call this the miracle of the Menorah. A feast that brings to mind the power, and faithfulness of HaShem. No wonder Yeshua wanted to be a part of this feast.

Jhn 10:23He was in the Temple, walking through the section known as Solomon's Colonnade.
Jhn 10:24The people surrounded him and asked, "How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly."
Jhn 10:25Jesus replied, "I have already told you, and you don't believe me. The proof is the work I do in my Father's name.
Jhn 10:26But you don't believe me because you are not my sheep.
Jhn 10:27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
Jhn 10:28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
Jhn 10:29for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father's hand.

Once again we see that Yeshua is telling us, we will know Him by His voice. Even though we have never heard His voice, and there is no CD, or any other form of recording of His voice. So how is this possible? By knowing His teachings, we will know Him. Yet as I have said many times, and is clear by this thread, not many seem to know His teachings. There are some that wish to use passages from one writer to discrete Yeshua's teachings. How will they ever know His voice? Truth is they won't.

 

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Jhn 10:30The Father and I are one."
Jhn 10:31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
Jhn 10:32Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?"
Jhn 10:33They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."
Jhn 10:34Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!'

Now I know that not many are willing to even think about what that last passage means. Just as I know that some have use it to say we are gods. For any that may think we are gods, in the sense that we have the same power the HaShem holds, think again. Yeshua was speaking of Psalms 82, written well before there was a debate on the language used to write the Word. most of you may not have any understanding of the Hewbrew language, and most of us that do have, don't really know if we are right or wrong. In other words, if we don't take the time to ask, look up, or in anyway look out side our little box, we will most likely mislead our selves.
In the Hebrew language, the Word El can mean ruler, judge, angles, and gods. However if you read Ps. 82 it should close the door on us being HaShem. We will stand in judgement of the angles, 1Co. 6:3.

Jhn 10:35And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God's message were called 'gods,'
Jhn 10:36why do you call it blasphemy when I say, 'I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.
Jhn 10:37Don't believe me unless I carry out my Father's work.

I know we are not saved by our works, so don't wast time on that. Yet it is clear that we are to look at the works of those that say they follow HaShem. You see if we are to walk in Yeshua's ways, it will show in the way we keep the teachings of HaShem. As we should know, the Torah is the bed rock on which the whole of scripture is built. If we remove the foundation, (i.e. Torah) the house falls. Before anyone tries to say that was nailed to the cross, keep in mind that you will find yourself facing some rather uncomfortable question.
We will wrap this chapter up in the next post. Until then, may your study be giuded by the Spirit of truth.

 

[homwardbound]

How many of you think Yeshua kept the fest? Do you know why, and what feast have been fulfilled by Him to date?

From what I have read, Jesus fulfilled the entire law of commands in truth.
he told John the Baptist he had to do all that was right.
John said to Jesus (Yashua) That he needed to be Baptized of Jesus (Yashua)
Matt 5:17, Jesus says this as well
He did not come to earth to destroy the Law and Prophets, rather to fulfill.
John 19:30, he yelled from the cross he was on, "It is finished" What was finished?
The fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, he fulfilled them perfectly
Then was/is risen to never die ever again, that is done by Son once for us all to believe, receive and see. At least this is what I got, get out of the Bible written.
What, I see is, God waiting to this day, is the next person to believe God in risen son for them.
Then one will be new and learn how to be in trust to God only, by God for them, not of themselves or anyone else ever again. I listen to all, yet take all to my Father in prayer, to hear truth over errors
I hear God just loves us all. Amazing Grace

 

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From what I have read, Jesus fulfilled the entire law of commands in truth.
he told John the Baptist he had to do all that was right.
John said to Jesus (Yashua) That he needed to be Baptized of Jesus (Yashua)
Matt 5:17, Jesus says this as well
He did not come to earth to destroy the Law and Prophets, rather to fulfill.
John 19:30, he yelled from the cross he was on, "It is finished" What was finished?
The fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, he fulfilled them perfectly
Then was/is risen to never die ever again, that is done by Son once for us all to believe, receive and see. At least this is what I got, get out of the Bible written.
What, I see is, God waiting to this day, is the next person to believe God in risen son for them.
Then one will be new and learn how to be in trust to God only, by God for them, not of themselves or anyone else ever again. I listen to all, yet take all to my Father in prayer, to hear truth over errors
I hear God just loves us all. Amazing Grace

So answer this please. Is there sin in the world today?

 

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So answer this please. Is there sin in the world today?

Yes, flesh nature still out and about and not willingly dead to self yet? From God Father's view it is finished through Son for all those that will not stop belief to see if not see yet, will. Those that are serious will one day see and rest. Until then the flesh of sin this world continues to be alive and a "Better better than others"
Luke 18:9-14
God went to that cross once for all

Hebrews 10:10

King James Version

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[posthuman]

So answer this please. Is there sin in the world today?

can only God answer this question?

because you said that calling someone a sinner is taking on the role of God:

Keep in mind that not long ago, they were saying how HaShem and only HaShem the pwoer to forgive sin, yet here they take on the roll of HaShem in passing judgment on Yeshua.

 

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Yes, flesh nature still out and about and not willingly dead to self yet? From God Father's view it is finished through Son for all those that will not stop belief to see if not see yet, will. Those that are serious will one day see and rest. Until then the flesh of sin this world continues to be alive and a "Better better than others"
Luke 18:9-14
God went to that cross once for all

Hebrews 10:10

King James Version

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Thank you for making my point. You for sin to be a thing, the law has to be in place. After all what is sin?

1Jo 3:4Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

 

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can only God answer this question?

because you said that calling someone a sinner is taking on the role of God:

When it comes to condemning someone that is true. However we must keep in mind that we must know what sin is, and it is our job to make it known.
In other words, we should understand what sin is, and do what we can to help others. Not once have you seen me say in any thread that we have the power to condemn anyone. We do have to right to forgive sins committed against us true, and we should. However, taking a part of a post to try and make a point is wrong. After all you can find many places that once removed from it's true context, can be made to seem as anything other what is intended.

 

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Jhn 10:38But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."
Jhn 10:39Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and left them.
Jhn 10:40He went beyond the Jordan River near the place where John was first baptizing and stayed there awhile.
Jhn 10:41And many followed him. "John didn't perform miraculous signs," they remarked to one another, "but everything he said about this man has come true."
Jhn 10:42And many who were there believed in Jesus.

There is little to say on this other than it will be seen again in time.
Though we do wish to point out that it might be they only believed due to the miracules they seen.

 

[posthuman]

When it comes to condemning someone that is true. However we must keep in mind that we must know what sin is, and it is our job to make it known.
In other words, we should understand what sin is, and do what we can to help others. Not once have you seen me say in any thread that we have the power to condemn anyone. We do have to right to forgive sins committed against us true, and we should. However, taking a part of a post to try and make a point is wrong. After all you can find many places that once removed from it's true context, can be made to seem as anything other what is intended.

well the context is that the pharisees said "we know this man is a sinner" and you said that by doing so they presumptuously stood in the place of God. i really don't think i have misrepresented your statement, even if i have zeroed in on it.

but i am not sure that is correct - do we disabuse scripture when we quote, "all have sinned" and "there is no one righteous, not one"?

 

[homwardbound]

Thank you for making my point. You for sin to be a thing, the law has to be in place. After all what is sin?

1Jo 3:4Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

maybe you not seeing this below yet

Galatians 3:19-26

Living Bible

19 Well then, why were the laws given? They were added after the promise was given, to show men how guilty they are of breaking God’s laws. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of Christ, the Child to whom God’s promise was made. (And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who then gave them to the people; 20 but when God gave his promise to Abraham, he did it by himself alone, without angels or Moses as go-betweens.)
21-22 Well then, are God’s laws and God’s promises against each other? Of course not! If we could be saved by his laws, then God would not have had to give us a different way to get out of the grip of sin—for the Scriptures insist we are all its prisoners. The only way out is through faith in Jesus Christ; the way of escape is open to all who believe him.
23 Until Christ came we were guarded by the law, kept in protective custody, so to speak, until we could believe in the coming Savior.
24 Let me put it another way. The Jewish laws were our teacher and guide until Christ came to give us right standing with God through our faith. 25 But now that Christ has come, we don’t need those laws any longer to guard us and lead us to him. 26 For now we are all children of God through faith in Jesus Christ,

 

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maybe you not seeing this below yet

Galatians 3:19-26

Living Bible

19 Well then, why were the laws given? They were added after the promise was given, to show men how guilty they are of breaking God’s laws. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of Christ, the Child to whom God’s promise was made. (And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who then gave them to the people; 20 but when God gave his promise to Abraham, he did it by himself alone, without angels or Moses as go-betweens.)
21-22 Well then, are God’s laws and God’s promises against each other? Of course not! If we could be saved by his laws, then God would not have had to give us a different way to get out of the grip of sin—for the Scriptures insist we are all its prisoners. The only way out is through faith in Jesus Christ; the way of escape is open to all who believe him.
23 Until Christ came we were guarded by the law, kept in protective custody, so to speak, until we could believe in the coming Savior.
24 Let me put it another way. The Jewish laws were our teacher and guide until Christ came to give us right standing with God through our faith. 25 But now that Christ has come, we don’t need those laws any longer to guard us and lead us to him. 26 For now we are all children of God through faith in Jesus Christ,

So we are to say that Paul knows more than Yeshua? As I have said I am not going to entertain Paul in this thread. Not that I don't understand his writings, rather that many wish to use Paul to negate Yeshua's teachings as you have just done.
Do we say Yeshua didn't understand Torah? I won't. And your understanding of the passages you just gave are not in line with Yeshua.
Mat 5:17"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
Mat 5:18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.
You have also placed your passage in direct conflice with your own understanding, as I already posted that,
1Jo 3:4Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
You can't have it both ways, either sin is a real thing even today, as you said it is, or the law has been removed and sin is longer in the world. I do dislike when people think they can work both sides and come out looking like they have a strong case.

 

[Rainrider]

well the context is that the pharisees said "we know this man is a sinner" and you said that by doing so they presumptuously stood in the place of God. i really don't think i have misrepresented your statement, even if i have zeroed in on it.

but i am not sure that is correct - do we disabuse scripture when we quote, "all have sinned" and "there is no one righteous, not one"?

It isn't that they say this, it is that they condemned Him. Now I will not argue with you on the law, as this isn't about the law rather it is about the teachings of Yeshua. If you wish my teachings on the law, go look at any thread I have started, and you will find you, and others trying to focus on the law. I am sure you already know you have worked to derail/ every post I have opened with this.

 

[posthuman]

It isn't that they say this, it is that they condemned Him. Now I will not argue with you on the law, as this isn't about the law rather it is about the teachings of Yeshua. If you wish my teachings on the law, go look at any thread I have started, and you will find you, and others trying to focus on the law. I am sure you already know you have worked to derail/ every post I have opened with this.

doesn't the Torah condemn a man on the testimony of two or three witnesses - who are also men?

i don't think it is that they were blaspheming by saying a man was a sinner - they were blaspheming because they knew Jesus Christ was the Messiah, and they were willfully rejecting Him. they understood how to interpret the signs He gave them, but made themselves blind to them - while saying. "we see"

and so their hearts were darkened and they puffed themselves up with pride, until they could no longer see at all.

 

[posthuman]

. I am sure you already know you have worked to derail/ every post I have opened with this.

sir, i am having a conversation about what you wrote, and about what the scriptures say.
you don't have to be angry about it.