Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[homwardbound]

I don't agree. I think the "law changes" have to do with whether homosexuals should marry or not, not whether homosexuality is a sin. The bible is pretty clear on whether it's a sin (it is).

Whether or not the bible declares homosexual marriage a sin (it isn't as "clear" on this point, as there is no direct statement such as "do not marry a man as one does with a woman"), many Christians seems to want to apply a double-standard here. There are many sins that are not illegal, so why ban this one? We don't legislate biblical morality -- it's against the first amendment. Also, it isn't consistent to treat this sin differently than other sins -- coveting, despite being one of the 10 commandments allegedly inscribed by God Himself in stone, doesn't make one a "coveter" who is shunned or looked down upon by one's Christian peers. Should we deny marriage to coveters? Even adulterers don't have to put up a fight to preserve their right to marry.

But to the point (assuming that you're really wondering about whether or not homosexuality is a sin, despite the fact that your poll shows overwhelmingly that there's little debate on this point), does being born homosexual make it not a sin? I think the better question is this -- if homosexuality is such "an abomination", then why is it even possible? There are species like ducks (warning! nude ducks!) that have oddly-shaped genitalia that not only prevent homosexual sex but also rape... why weren't we built like that by a creator that allegedly also designed the duck? It's like killing people with your mind; it would never even occur to you to ask why God allowed us the ability to kill others with our mind because He didn't. If God didn't allow that (because not every evil choice has to be granted to us to have "free will"), then why is this possible? And more importantly, why would a certain sin like homosexuality be such a great temptation to some and a non-temptation to others? It doesn't strike me as the decision of a fair god.

Marriage brings the benefits of taxes, and that is what it is all about tax benefit, treated equally in that. now what one does in their private bedroom is between those that are there. Not my business, I have been guilty of Adultery in my own mind. have taken sex out of proportion in my thoughts and you know. I have not been Gay, and for me it is not for me. Yet I have sinned and could again, even though I don't desire to, being in an unredeemed body, the potential to do wrong by my neighbor is always hanging around ready to pounce.
So God is teaching me to just love all, period and by this love others will make right decisions, between God and them personally for I know this from God.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Thanking and praying to God for us all to receive the amazing love connected to Mercy from God through Son Christ.

 

[homwardbound]

Again ignorance. Read about Noah. Dang Starcrash I thought you knew the bible my mistake.

James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
2 Corinthians 10:5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus hates the sin and loves the person

and that includes all sin. And sin is anything without God
Corinthians 13:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

 

[homwardbound]

Homosexuality is a sin. Look at the story in the Bible about the city of Sodom and Gomorrah which were cities full of practising homosexuals and sinners, these cities were destroyed by God. But God still loves the homosexual person, just doesn't agree with or condone the sinful behaviour.

They had no regard to others free will there, they took whatever they saw and wanted against others consent. Just as in Egypt, they did the same=, and the same goes on today.
As a matter of fact after Paul preached truth to the Corinthians, telling them about God's complete forgiveness in and through Son Christ. They got the idea of they could just drink up all the wine be drunk eat all the food before the rest of the body got there. Have sex with whoever they pleased whether the other consented or not, because hey, they were forgiven by God through Christ. The Devil planted this idea in their head, and so it is why Paul wrote that first letter to them to prayerfully show them that God's complete forgiveness was not so one or a group would take advantage, rather for appreciation to the living creator of all, in thankfulness and thus respond to all with this same love received from God.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[homwardbound]

Desiring sin does not make sin any less sinful. If a man desires to have sex with other men, even from a young age, that doesn't make acting on his desire any less sinful.

Just like if a man desires to have sex with every beautiful woman he sees, his desire does not make fornication any less sinful.

Some people do actually get delivered from these desires at conversion or some time later. Others struggle for a long time. If someone finds himself struggling, he should continue to walk pure before the Lord. It is not a sin to have a propensity to be tempted in a specific area. It is a sin to give in to the temptation.

And it is ultimately God that makes us to stand in truth to God and all.
A man can't have a public view and a hidden one to self, without eventually coming to be in wonderment as to which one is true. Praise ne to God

 

[homwardbound]

"You have to ride a unicorn in order to believe in them". This is analogous to what you're asking... it demands presupposing the truth of your proposition in order to find it true.

I was a Christian in my youth... I have "gone to a secluded place... and asked Him" and yet I am an atheist to this day. I came to my current viewpoint by weighing the evidence for Christianity against the evidence for God's non-existence and found Him to be lacking. Not many people can claim to have come to their religious views through an honest examination of the arguments, but I have, which makes this argument horribly aimed. You can't be blamed for your ignorance, but now you know.

Starcrash, love you deeper than you might know. Are you sure your decision on this is not from people that misrepresented God's Love in what you were brought up in, whatever denomination that was?
For me This happened, and I was ready to say if this is God from you people, then there is no God. But later God showed me that those people were not of him. It was those people that misrepresented the true love of God through Son. And I searched scripture, to know this amazing loving Merciful God. And saw past man's ignorance to the love of God through Son Christ
Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? [SUP]30 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, [SUP]34 [/SUP]and went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? [SUP]37 [/SUP]And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

If he's just used the search bar he would have found the answer before he asked the question. I addressed it myself, of course here:

http://christianchat.com/christian-...ctrination-children-adults-4.html#post1099407

because now we are allowed to eat it and it has been made clean....you may read The Bible but you don't understand it.

 

[MaggieMye]

I"m sorry, but this is a very annoying thread. Do you challenge God at His word?? Why even ask such a question (OP) when the answer is found right there in His written word? Dangerous to do so. It likens to mockery.

 

[SpiritofFire]

I"m sorry, but this is a very annoying thread. Do you challenge God at His word?? Why even ask such a question (OP) when the answer is found right there in His written word? Dangerous to do so. It likens to mockery.

This is why we are told not to lean on our own understanding. Those who would teach the word, do you not also teach yourselves?

In other words, if they die suffering the wrath of God because of homosexuality, then what did you do to suffer the same fate?

Have we not read that to be guilty of ONE point in the law, is to be guilty of ALL?

Now what I find amazing is that 2,000 years later, we are still debating this issue living on a planet that can house clothe and feed us all, and yet 5 million people die every year from simple starvation!

You'll never change homosexuality, but if we have enough, what is our excuse for causing all of these deaths?

Not enough money?

 

[Kerry]

To the OP. ​NO!! GOD Does not accept Homosesexuality. Get it in your brain. Thank you.

 

[Nick01]

I want to post a nuanced response, because there's often a lack of nuance in this kind of discussion.

First of all, I want to say that God does accept homosexuality, but perhaps not in the exact sense in which the question is intended.

Regardless of your view on this topic, you must of course condede that if we take the view that homosexual activity is sin (and I believe the most accurate and senisical reading of Scripture is that it is), then you must also accept that the atonement and santification apply to this sin as to any other. That is, people are utterly POWERLESS to reject sin until God begins a new work in them and regenerates them. We do not expect the adulterer to stop their activity before making their minds up about Christ. Or the theif, or the liar, or any other sin. Indeed, we must also accept, as is the clear teaching of Scripture, that Christ died for people when they were still in their sins, and when there was nothing that they did that could possibly merit salvation. In other words, God accepts people who are homosexual while they are in their sins, if they are willing to pick up their cross and follow. Sometimes I feel we treat homosexual activity different to every other sin, in that we expect sanctification before regeneration and justification. To do so is to put the cart before the horse.

For me, whether or not someone is born gay is irrelevant to how you approach the issue. Personally, I believe people are, to greater and lesser extents, born gay, although there is a certain fluidity in sexuality anyway that is often lost in the discussion. But we also believe that EVERYONE is born with a sinful nature, and that while we are made a new creation in Christ and are no longer enslaved to that nature, we are still prone to wander and fall victim to our sinful tendencies from time to time. Why can the same not be said of gay people?

I know of a couple of gay guys who still experience sam sex attraction, and so in that sense are homosexual (they are attracted to the same sex), they are celibate because they believe homosexual sex is against God's created design. They hope that God might be merciful in this and either remove those attractions one day, or allow them to feel for women, but they are not fussed, and they are not angry with who they are, or at least no more than any straight person is angry at their own sinful natures. This is perfectly fine, or at least should be, but sometimes we treat gay people in the churches, EVEN THOSE who hold to orthodox teachings and struggle with their own sexual nature, as if they are different ot everyone else in the church. They are not, and indeed I think they can teach us a lot about struggling with sin.

Now, of course, there are Christians who teach homosexual sex is a-ok, and everyone should just be cool with that. I have yet to hear a compelling case from Scripture (mostly circumstantial cases around David and Johnathan, a specific temple cult context around Leviticus, and Paul actually talking about child molestors and not homosexual sex) but it all regards such a specific and post modern, after the fact reading of the text as to be almost unbelievable. I think we should be in dialogue, we should seek to engage and even serve along side such people, but also be clear about what we believe Scripture to be saying. God is gracious, and salvation comes by Christ alone, not by being straight alone. So at one level I am hopeful that even though people teach what I think is unbiblical, there is a genuine work of God being done there that will result in good things for the Kingdom.

Most of all, we should do a much better job generally of caring for our gay brothers and sisters, and also gay people outside the church, by being compassionate, by being partners in trials, hopefully showing that their sin nature is not different than our own, and though struggles in sanctification re often tough, God has and will give us the victory in Christ Jesus.

 

[Nick01]

I"m sorry, but this is a very annoying thread. Do you challenge God at His word?? Why even ask such a question (OP) when the answer is found right there in His written word? Dangerous to do so. It likens to mockery.

I think it's an honest question made in good faith. I agree with you, the Scriptures are pretty clear, but we are to test everything, and to read deeply the Scriptures to see if what is said is true, as the Bereans did. In addition, when the world comes asking why we believe what we do about homosexual activity, it is helpful to have an answer that is slightly more expansive than "Cause the Bible."

If you do not like the thread, or if you think it is dangerous, you are more than welcome to stop reading it. But I think it can be a helpful, and not dangerous discussion, and certainly does not mock the word of God to continue it.

 

[adsd]

not one of us is better than the other. it is a sin Jesus died for us all repentances is best . but do we all????
is this sin worse than a serial killer, child molester, liar, liars do great harm to many. in fact people can be murdered over a lie. I fall a lot. most of my life I did not pay attention to what Jesus wanted from me ( so denied him) . but I know this I AM SAVED. AND NO BETTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON.

 

[Kerry]

But we as a society and our government cannot accept homosexuality as normal. We do not accept drug abuse, we do not accept alcoholism, we do not accept child molestation. If we accept homosexuality we accept all of the above. and even beastiality.

 

[SirLucan]

Hi

One person asks a simple question and off we go with the sin bit.

I am sorry I like gay people. They are governed by exactly the same rules as anybody else. Apart from the fact they sleep with the same sex which is their business. not unless others in here could be secretly interested, it seems to worry some of you a lot. " The gentleman doth protest too much"

I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin.

If you believe that God is the maker of man then he also made gays.

Why don't you pick on the swinger Christians or the Adulterer or lets face it the Godly men of the cloth who use children for their own desires. And which I may add is hidden by the churches.

It is not a sin to love. Yes I have heard of the saying "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" We were put on this earth to create blah blah blah.

So being barren is a sin too I take it. There you go if you cant have kids do not have sex it is a sin

Mathew told the multitudes no sin is greater than the other. I notice verses that are used against gays are only the ones that suit. Please remember condemnation is a sin have you forgotten " condemn not lest you be condemned" Oh yes I can also quote. So you too are sinning as much as any gay.

Get a life leave others alone at least gays are upfront with their sins how about others.

If God does not like it let him get off his throne get down here and tell the gays himself.

Personally I would rather have it from the engine driver than the oil rag

Hoot Owl

Nothing you just rambled off changes the truth. Homosexuality is a sin. I have not read one post that speaks of hating people who are homosexual.
And if you think asking them to change is like asking someone to change skin color, then you've not been listening to the truth.

Try telling a teenage boy he can't have sex until he gets married. The hormones are more powerful than what you can imagine. It isn't a perverted thing, it is a natural drive. Oh, but it so strong we shouldn't teach them to abstain until they are married. Try telling a liar, a solid liar, one in the habit, to repent and try to stop lying. Oh, but we shouldn't because it's too hard.

No person dealing with a strong desire, a lust faces an easy battle.

"THE SIN BIT" SIN IS NOT A BIT. IT WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR SOUL. JESUS SUFFERED ON THE CROSS BECAUSE SIN IS HORRIFIC. IT IS NOT A SMALL MATTER.

 

[SirLucan]

The wording is irrelevant. Eating shellfish is also called "an abomination" in the bible. Why aren't there protests over this sin?

Were you wearing a helmet during the crash? Must have really knocked you for loop.

 

[Blain]

But we as a society and our government cannot accept homosexuality as normal. We do not accept drug abuse, we do not accept alcoholism, we do not accept child molestation. If we accept homosexuality we accept all of the above. and even beastiality.

Sorry buddy but it's too late, being gay is considered normal these days

 

[Kerry]

Sorry buddy but it's too late, being gay is considered normal these days

By your book. I still have hope and I pray for republicans that stand for truth. They are fighting as we all should least we become Sodom and Pompeii. That is destroyed.

 

[childofgod87]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?

I am really interested in people's viewpoints

I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.

Thanks for replying in advance

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

So that answers the question if it's a sin or not

Does what God say still mean the same in today's society?

“For I am the Lord, I do not change; - Malachi 3:6

That's two down and it's also scientifically proven you no one's born Homosexual
check out this article: The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science

Hope these were the answers you were looking for
God Bless

 

[Kerry]

Look God loves the homosexualy but, He hates homosexuality. It is a pet peeve, He has destroyed cities for this same reason. He also says that those who condone such action are just as guilty as the ones who do it. What profit is there. number one it defies God's command to to be fruitful and multiply. I always said put the homos on an Island and in 70 years they would be gone because they cannot reproduce. It is a direct rebellion against God and what man would refuse the flower of a women. I mean my goodness. When I married and she opened that flower, my my my, Yahoo!! Why would you want a stinky butt from some dude. Demonic thats all I got say. Its demonic and you are trying to force God to accept it . Wrong.