Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?
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I seem to have this knack that when I get in a thread the atheist jump out. I enjoy conversing with them. It stimulates my faith. I have fun with it. Yet realise the weight of the matter. Starcrash when are going to open your heart to Jesus or keep refusing the truth. Just like Pharaoh, who drowned as he was watching the children of God leave. God gave him many chances how long will he endure with you? accept him now please . What other argument can you come up with? Man I love you and hope the best for you. Its up to you. Jesus or hell. thats the fact, its biblical and the truth. No man has proven otherwise. will you put your trust in man. come on, if put my trust in man and lived 500 years ago it would be in plato and its been proven wrong or nostradamus. Jesus is real and has many witnesses and millions of followers today. I have seen to many things to deny Him. He has provided for me when I saw no way. To say He does not exist is a complete lie. America is because of Him. Look at countries that do not believe. They have no liberty and are ruled by dictators. Isaiah 35 gives us our Judicial, legislative, and executive branches of government. No other country has that or didn't before America. America did not evolve it was ordained by God. Ask and you shall receive. or harden your heart and speak against God.
Desiring sin does not make sin any less sinful. If a man desires to have sex with other men, even from a young age, that doesn't make acting on his desire any less sinful.
Just like if a man desires to have sex with every beautiful woman he sees, his desire does not make fornication any less sinful.
Some people do actually get delivered from these desires at conversion or some time later. Others struggle for a long time. If someone finds himself struggling, he should continue to walk pure before the Lord. It is not a sin to have a propensity to be tempted in a specific area. It is a sin to give in to the temptation.
Just like if a man desires to have sex with every beautiful woman he sees, his desire does not make fornication any less sinful.
Some people do actually get delivered from these desires at conversion or some time later. Others struggle for a long time. If someone finds himself struggling, he should continue to walk pure before the Lord. It is not a sin to have a propensity to be tempted in a specific area. It is a sin to give in to the temptation.
What does Noah have to do with the word "abomination" or protesting against people eating shellfish? It's such a non-sequitar, you're going to have to give me a little more info than that.
We don't have "homos to thank" for AIDS. For one thing, it only infected gay men and didn't affect gay women any more than it affected hetero couples... so if it was meant to punish gay sex, then it didn't do such a great job. The fact that it can infect innocent babies of AIDS-infected mothers is further testimony of its "non-design". And then it did affect hetero couples as well, thanks to evolution. How do you not see a genetic change in AIDS' structure increasing its ability to thrive by gaining a new pool of hosts as evolution? That's like the very definition of evolution.
Confirmation bias, the motive to cherry-pick only evidence supporting your viewpoint, is at play here. You see "sex outside of marriage" as a great way to get STD's, but probably never noticed that hand jobs have never impregnated anyone or passed on an STD. Does that make hand jobs outside of marriage non-sinful by your standard, or did God simply not notice this loophole?
We don't have "homos to thank" for AIDS. For one thing, it only infected gay men and didn't affect gay women any more than it affected hetero couples... so if it was meant to punish gay sex, then it didn't do such a great job. The fact that it can infect innocent babies of AIDS-infected mothers is further testimony of its "non-design". And then it did affect hetero couples as well, thanks to evolution. How do you not see a genetic change in AIDS' structure increasing its ability to thrive by gaining a new pool of hosts as evolution? That's like the very definition of evolution.
Confirmation bias, the motive to cherry-pick only evidence supporting your viewpoint, is at play here. You see "sex outside of marriage" as a great way to get STD's, but probably never noticed that hand jobs have never impregnated anyone or passed on an STD. Does that make hand jobs outside of marriage non-sinful by your standard, or did God simply not notice this loophole?
"You have to ride a unicorn in order to believe in them". This is analogous to what you're asking... it demands presupposing the truth of your proposition in order to find it true.
I was a Christian in my youth... I have "gone to a secluded place... and asked Him" and yet I am an atheist to this day. I came to my current viewpoint by weighing the evidence for Christianity against the evidence for God's non-existence and found Him to be lacking. Not many people can claim to have come to their religious views through an honest examination of the arguments, but I have, which makes this argument horribly aimed. You can't be blamed for your ignorance, but now you know.
I was a Christian in my youth... I have "gone to a secluded place... and asked Him" and yet I am an atheist to this day. I came to my current viewpoint by weighing the evidence for Christianity against the evidence for God's non-existence and found Him to be lacking. Not many people can claim to have come to their religious views through an honest examination of the arguments, but I have, which makes this argument horribly aimed. You can't be blamed for your ignorance, but now you know.
So what you're saying is that something God originally considered "an abomination" is now alright with him? So... what does this mean for homosexuality?
That was merely one example. Also called "an abomination" are a lying tongue and a liar. Cross-dressing is seen as "an abomination". Unequal weights and measures are "an abomination". These are still sinful, yes? My point was that the fact that the bible called it an abomination was not the real reason that anyone saw it as some special evil (none of these examples are treated as extra-evil), and the fact that it was called an abomination doesn't necessarily make it sinful to this day (as you've clarified in the case of eating shellfish).
That was merely one example. Also called "an abomination" are a lying tongue and a liar. Cross-dressing is seen as "an abomination". Unequal weights and measures are "an abomination". These are still sinful, yes? My point was that the fact that the bible called it an abomination was not the real reason that anyone saw it as some special evil (none of these examples are treated as extra-evil), and the fact that it was called an abomination doesn't necessarily make it sinful to this day (as you've clarified in the case of eating shellfish).
Sin is sin no matter what way it is sliced, diced and or cubed, and by it one knows they need. The ? then what is it that we all need?
If we are of flesh, then it will be worldly, and the world is at enmity with God and God at enmity with the world. No flesh in God's sight is pleasing to him, except Christ Jesus, being the only one ever. Yet now today is justified in Spirit, and thus so are we to be in Spirit not flesh.
Now if you sow to the Spirit what do you reap. and if flesh what do you reap
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
So I serve the law of sin and death with my flesh and the Law of God with my born again Spirit. So are we to learn the difference?
If we are of flesh, then it will be worldly, and the world is at enmity with God and God at enmity with the world. No flesh in God's sight is pleasing to him, except Christ Jesus, being the only one ever. Yet now today is justified in Spirit, and thus so are we to be in Spirit not flesh.
Now if you sow to the Spirit what do you reap. and if flesh what do you reap
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
So I serve the law of sin and death with my flesh and the Law of God with my born again Spirit. So are we to learn the difference?
Understood, and so through trusting God personally we learn to say no to unrighteousness as God leads, if we will for that to be, that is what God gave us all free choice
All things through Christ are permissible to me, but not all things are beneficial, and this up to each of us to decide what is beneficial and what is not.
It is not beneficial to murder, cheat, steal, have adultery, or Lie is it. Is not anyone of these not loving as God does love us all.
Who am I to decide for someone else what they can do or not do, especially if God has received them.
Maybe we all need to read Romans 14 and ask God to see the depth beyond the discussion of Food. That is just what was at hand at that time. Love supersedes all and goes on forever, when are we going to get that, and let others be free to see, and not forced to believe as many are and have been. So the rebellion through the commandment of men has gone full force unto hidden sin, behind closed doors and act in public as if I am good, when no one is except God himself.
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All things through Christ are permissible to me, but not all things are beneficial, and this up to each of us to decide what is beneficial and what is not.
It is not beneficial to murder, cheat, steal, have adultery, or Lie is it. Is not anyone of these not loving as God does love us all.
Who am I to decide for someone else what they can do or not do, especially if God has received them.
Maybe we all need to read Romans 14 and ask God to see the depth beyond the discussion of Food. That is just what was at hand at that time. Love supersedes all and goes on forever, when are we going to get that, and let others be free to see, and not forced to believe as many are and have been. So the rebellion through the commandment of men has gone full force unto hidden sin, behind closed doors and act in public as if I am good, when no one is except God himself.
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