And let me just repeat something I mentioned several posts up. No Christian who supports homosexuality condones any of the homosexual behavior that occurred in Sodom. Rape and promiscuity are sins no matter if you're gay, straight, or whatever. It must be understood that pro-homosexuality is not pro-homosexual promiscuity.
Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?
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HAHAHA I did not read the post, nothing of it.. but what a silly question. What sin does God have to accept? Will God accept ANY SIN? Come on, what a silly question! How does god deal with sin? ANY SIN AND ALL SIN?.... He DESTROYS IT! God accept nothing from Satan, NOTHING!
If God accept ONE SIN, then HE IS NO LONGER GOD, BUT SATAN!
If God accept ONE SIN, then HE IS NO LONGER GOD, BUT SATAN!
Hi there! thank you for joining in with the discussion.
I posted this topic as it is interesting to see the divisions in the church as a result of the new law changes for homosexuality.
I decided to ask the church what their view is on this subject as I wanted to hear both sides so i'm able to minister more effectively. I feel that if I hear the other side then I can essentially put myself into their shoes to understand why they believe it and then form a healthy debate.
Thanks
The answer is in the Bible, not from the ones that set up their own righteousness... God says, not only the ones that do these things but also the ones who have pleasure in them doing it, will all DIE! This is SECOND DEATH God talks about... The everlasting pool of FIRE!
If a person reads the Bible and still does not see ALL sin as SIN, he just does not want to know or see God! If the Holy Spirit convicts any person of sin, He does so with ONE PURPOSE... REPENT FROM IT! According to God the GAYS ALL KNOW THEY ARE WRONG... they KNEW THE TRUTH but they rejected it and changed it into a LIE! They went so far from God and HIS TRUTH, that HE GAVE THEM OVER TO THEIR FLESHLY LUSTS... MAN AFTER MAN, AND WOMAN AFTER WOMAN.... Rom 1:27...
If a person reads the Bible and still does not see ALL sin as SIN, he just does not want to know or see God! If the Holy Spirit convicts any person of sin, He does so with ONE PURPOSE... REPENT FROM IT! According to God the GAYS ALL KNOW THEY ARE WRONG... they KNEW THE TRUTH but they rejected it and changed it into a LIE! They went so far from God and HIS TRUTH, that HE GAVE THEM OVER TO THEIR FLESHLY LUSTS... MAN AFTER MAN, AND WOMAN AFTER WOMAN.... Rom 1:27...
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It is God's Word that draws the line. It is willful disobedience to God's Word. If that person stands in disobedience to His Word then we are instructed what we must do. And it is disobedience to God's Word to allow those who willfully continue to commit such things unrepentant to remain within the congregation.
It is God's Word that draws the line. It is willful disobedience to God's Word. If that person stands in disobedience to His Word then we are instructed what we must do. And it is disobedience to God's Word to allow those who willfully continue to commit such things unrepentant to remain within the congregation.
I always remembered that it was a difficult process to accept that I was a sinner and that I had to 'repent' for my sins. In fact it was painful to realise these factors and it took me a while to understand what was a sin and what was not.
I also remember that the church was welcoming and was patient to my seeking of the religion even though I was a sinner sitting in the congregation for a very long time. By the quote above I was being disobedient to God's word. I was still living the sinful life of not repenting, yet the congregation still allowed me to sit in the church.
It is interesting to see from reading this that even though I was a sinner , my 'sins' are more accepted than the sin of homosexuality.
For God treats sin equally and my sins were treated with love, patience and care.
If it is by the will of God to remove all the unrepentant from the congregation thenI wouldn't be here today
Because through the love of Christ he was patient and allowed me to sit there disobediently for as long as it was needed.
God bless
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This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.
My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?
I am really interested in people's viewpoints
I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.
Thanks for replying in advance
My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?
I am really interested in people's viewpoints
I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.
Thanks for replying in advance
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
This is why you get "born again." If someone thinks he/she is born a homosexual, they
will still have to get BORN AGAIN.
@ oldhermit :I don't think you can learn to sin so to speak. We are born sinners as we have inherited it from Adam and Eve. I believe that although we are all born sinners we have a chance to become born again.
@rest of forum: Do you think there's more condemnation for homosexuals in the christian community rather than offering the message of salvation through Christ by example and love, ministering and care?
you don't' have to learn sin, your born a sinner - you must not have kids or nephews
no one has to condemn anyone - if they do not believe in Jesus Christ, they are already condemned John 3:16-19- Biblical Love
@rest of forum: Do you think there's more condemnation for homosexuals in the christian community rather than offering the message of salvation through Christ by example and love, ministering and care?
you don't' have to learn sin, your born a sinner - you must not have kids or nephews
no one has to condemn anyone - if they do not believe in Jesus Christ, they are already condemned John 3:16-19- Biblical Love
I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin./QUOTE
Yup, we are all born..........IN SIN.
We are all born homosexuals, murderers, deceitful, cruel people, etc. And, it's our choice to become whatever we want.
And it you refuse the Word of God, His commandments, his laws, you burn..
Have at it.........You were warned.
I have a couple associates who are homos, and please don't use the word Gay....Why take a word and change it's meaning when the word homosexual is the word and the meaning is clear. Oh, does the word homosexual make you feel bad, is it a bad word? Too bad! Truth does hurt doesn't it!
One of these associates was brought up Lutheran and he even taught Sunday school. But he was found out by the church and was no longer allowed to take communion. After all, why should the Minister be held responsible for another mans sins.
So he stopped going to church and continues to act and believe his own ideas. He says he is Spiritual, and believes there is a higher power above all of us and says as long as you don't hurt yourselves or others, you are good to go.
He also says that it's the Christians who cause war and murder and such. He is right. It's called Holy War. Good against evil.
I can't argue with him because we associate and as a person, just a person, I have no problems with him.
But he is blind as a bat and I can only keep trying to open his eyes.
J
It's all in seeing the purpose of church. Church isn't there for the sinner but for the believers. While a sinner may come in, ultimately, the purpose of church is instruction. Evangelism (the long lost ministry of the modern church) is what is used to bring sinners to Christ.
That being said, what is the purpose of coming to church if you just want to continue to continue to live a life contrary to what the Bible say? If they don't what to turn from their sinful ways, then what good is church to them? And that places a huge question mark on the church if they knowing allow ANY sinful nature to infiltrate the church. 1 Cor 5 hits on the unrepentant sinner in the church.
That being said, what is the purpose of coming to church if you just want to continue to continue to live a life contrary to what the Bible say? If they don't what to turn from their sinful ways, then what good is church to them? And that places a huge question mark on the church if they knowing allow ANY sinful nature to infiltrate the church. 1 Cor 5 hits on the unrepentant sinner in the church.
First of all, God does not accept homosexuality. Yes, it is a sin, but that does not mean God condemns the person he just wants them to see the error of their ways just like anyone coming from an addiction, different background, etc. So yes love the person who believes they are homosexual but do not love the thoughts or homosexual activities that they do. God does not think in labels there are no ''gays'' in his book. It is about coming as you are to the throne of grace and being transformed. Homosexuals are not born that way, that has to do with other factors that may lead one to have those desires, desire that company, etc. Also marriage is between a man and a woman, husband and wife. Jesus talks about this, here is the verse:
Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[SUP][[/SUP]and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Genesis 2:20-24But for Adam[SUP][[/SUP] no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[SUP][[/SUP]and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
So God loves the homosexual, adulterer, thief, etc but does not like the sin and wishes that they would repent, confess it and others, etc to Him. Then they will becomes transformed and they can give their chains to Him both on that day and everyday. God has the key and he can free them from it. There is hope for those who have same-sex attractions and other things and that hope is in Jesus Christ. Who died on the cross for their sins and rose from the dead on the third day and by renouncing their lifestyle, they will be saved and becoming brand new. It will be tough, they will have problems (just as all Christians do), etc. But God is there and the body of Christ (the church) should and can help them. God bless.
Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[SUP][[/SUP]and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Genesis 2:20-24But for Adam[SUP][[/SUP] no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[SUP][[/SUP]and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
So God loves the homosexual, adulterer, thief, etc but does not like the sin and wishes that they would repent, confess it and others, etc to Him. Then they will becomes transformed and they can give their chains to Him both on that day and everyday. God has the key and he can free them from it. There is hope for those who have same-sex attractions and other things and that hope is in Jesus Christ. Who died on the cross for their sins and rose from the dead on the third day and by renouncing their lifestyle, they will be saved and becoming brand new. It will be tough, they will have problems (just as all Christians do), etc. But God is there and the body of Christ (the church) should and can help them. God bless.
Were you disobedient? I believe not. Why? It is because you were in search of the truth. You were coming to the knowledge of Christ. Even though you were unrepentant and within the congregation I believe that those who were ministering to you could see you were honestly in search of the truth. And who knows, maybe the Lord was telling someone within your congregation that you would come to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior but it would take some time. This was not disobedience but the road of salvation for you. And this is the way it should be sister and how we should minister to the lost souls in search of the truth. And with some people their road to salvation in Christ Jesus is different.
But the fact remains. Those who receive the knowledge of truth that what they are doing is sinful and openly remain in willful disobedience to God’s Word are to be put out from among the congregation. Such as those who say God made me this way!
But the fact remains. Those who receive the knowledge of truth that what they are doing is sinful and openly remain in willful disobedience to God’s Word are to be put out from among the congregation. Such as those who say God made me this way!
Are you calling me a hypocrite SavedByHim?
I agree that the church doors should be open to “everyone” as you stated. And everyone does deserve a chance to come to Christ Jesus. But you just can’t keep those who stand in open rebellion within the congregation until they repent and turn away from such sin once they come to the knowledge of truth. That does mean we cast out those who honestly are struggling to turn away from such wickedness. But it does mean we are to cast out those who stand in open rebellion against God’s Word who say God made me this way and want the church to accept their lifestyle.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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I am confused. You are saying that we should keep the doors open to everyone but close it for those who are unrepentant? But doesn't a sinful person coming to church speak for itself? It shows they feel something is missing in their lives or maybe they are seeking truth and want to learn. They may not instantly change in our eyes and say they are not homosexual but if we are welcoming to them (not condoning their actions) and be patient they may have a chance to feel the love of Christ and change eventually day. Should we not keep the hope that people can change. I feel that you are saying if they are defiant, we should just kick them out and shut the door on them. But doesn't the fact that they made the effort to go to church reveal something in their actions itself?
Christ invited the taxpayers, prostitutes and everyone. Luke 5:31-32 31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
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No the word of God says its a sin (Romans1:27, Lev18:22, ect...). Plus, being homosexual is a choice not genenics. If I understand genetics correctly homosexuals cannot mate (no offsprings) then how do homosexuals pass on the gay gene to the next generation. Most likely the homosexuals don't know the Lord which he is against and evolution therory doesn't support the homosexuals as well
J
Actually, Jesus went to them (for the most part)
But the thing is, so many look at church as the place for "the sick" when that was never the purpose. We were told to GO and make disciples.
In saying that, the sinner that comes to church should come in wanting to be changed. If they are not ready to get out their sinful actions, what could they get in church other than instruction that can't be applied. But nowadays, we have pastors who cater their sermons to the sinners instead of the sheep.
But the thing is, so many look at church as the place for "the sick" when that was never the purpose. We were told to GO and make disciples.
In saying that, the sinner that comes to church should come in wanting to be changed. If they are not ready to get out their sinful actions, what could they get in church other than instruction that can't be applied. But nowadays, we have pastors who cater their sermons to the sinners instead of the sheep.
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The answer is YES, God made them them in the womb, why, would God not accept them.?? Who made all the special children; We called them, retarded in the 30and 40's, God made them in the womb. Right? RIGHT ! Does God accept the "special " children? YES ! God is the first cause of all things, right ? RIGHT !! My neighbor was born with both male and female organs, God made him.! He chose to have an operation to cut off the male parts and bring out the female parts, now he is a female, able to have children, (IT is all on record) (ARE YOU with me?) God's CURSE upon humanity is very sever.! RIGHT ? RIGHT ! Rom,11:22 (READ IT) Two headed persons are born, RIGHT ? RIGHT ! Christians, PLEASE, get you stupid head out of the sand , and smell the roses, or stink pots. God does some terrible things in HIS CREATION, we need to acknowledge God, for who HE is.! Sooo, what do we do? WE preach against, HETEROSEXUAL and HOMOSEXUAL sins, BOTH ! GOD hates them BOTH.! We all know many a man ,that should have been a woman.! RIGHT? RIGHT ? Both can be saved , AMEN ? AMEN ! Love Hoffco
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We have to be very careful who we allow into our churches. Check out their motive, why are they there? I tell my members, to invite their unsaved friends to church so they can hear God's good new to repentant sinners who want help. BUT, I worn people who come to our church ,this is the house of the righteous to worship God, not for sinners to parade their sin; if they parade their sin , they are not welcome in the "congregation of the Righteous", Psa 1.. Today we have the Devils people leading the worship, I will not go to those wild evil churches. The pastors preach a wild gospel of do as you please, because salvation is a GIFT of God ,your works have nothing to do with salvation. This is heresy, in the church. God hates it. Love to all who love Jesus in truth. Hoffco