As you've quoted in the above verse: BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED
I believe Abraham had faith. interesting that you read verses which read "faith of Christ" and use those verses as proof that no one has faith in and of themselves ... that their faith is really Christ's faith based on verses with the words "faith of Christ".
But when you read "faith of Abraham" in Scripture, you still claim nope, "faith of Christ".
rogerg said:
a singular faith that came from God
rogerg said:
various types of beliefs. But faith in Christ is the only important and significant faith.
Ephesians 4:
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all
Some folks place their faith in lies ... that is why the issue is not do you have faith. The issue is the Object of our faith. When the Object of our faith is the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, God works within us to strengthen our faith. However, when we place our faith in lesser objects, sometimes God strengthens that unbelief to the point where folks become reprobate ... with hearts so hardened they are vicious in their attacks on all that is godly and attacks on believers. sad really ...
rogerg said:
faith itself, is a work
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
rogerg said:
faith was reckoned to Abraham
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.
rogerg said:
Works are central to faith, and therefore faith IS a work.
Your belief that "faith IS a work" does not line up with Scripture. You need to align your faith to what is written in Scripture.
I am in agreement that when we hear God's Word and believe it, our actions will flow from that. In other words, when God tells us to not steal and we believe that truth, our actions will follow and we will not steal.
Just as Abraham, when he heard God's Word in Gen 17:10, Abraham believed God ... Abraham's actions flowed from that belief and Abraham then circumcised his whole household (Gen 17:23).
rogerg said:
This is because the promise would then be dependent upon factors outside of God. Consequently, it had to have been Christ's faith that was the faith counted to Abraham - hope that was clear.
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