the "saved" refers to the redemption of the purchased possession (the elect) at the end of time. Salvation
has two parts to it: positionally/spiritually during our lives and 2) the final receiving/manifestation of it at the day of the Lord
[1Co 5:5 KJV]
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[Luk 21:28 KJV] 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Being saved by our hearing and believing puts Christ's offering at naught and, were it possible, would make ourselves our own savior. However, Christ alone is the Saviour and we are not - He must be the one who saves. Someone is elected because, and only because, God chose to write their name into the Book of the life form the foundation of the world.
[Rev 17:8 KJV] 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
[Rev 21:27 KJV]
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
No one can hear or believe the Gospel left to themselves. Doing so is a gift from God.
[Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake
[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Belief in Christ is given as a gift
[Jhn 6:44, 65 KJV]
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. ...
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Godliness:
[2Pe 1:3 KJV] 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
God's divine power alone is that which gives to us all things that pertain to life and godliness.
Jesus set-forth that He alone is the Saviour, we are not.
[Tit 1:4 KJV]
4 To Titus, [mine] own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Faith, grace, mercy, and peace come to us from God the Father and Jesus Christ.
“5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
this is what Paul said about a man who was sinning openly in church , he obviously was walking in the flesh still Paul was hoping by casting him out he would repent and be saved.
“but they which
are written in the Lamb's book of life.”
this is the lambs book of life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“No one can hear or believe the Gospel left to themselves. Doing so is a gift from God.”
yeah how does that relate to what I’m saying ? We have to believe the gospel Christians can choose to start learning the gospel and believe it or remain in a state of rejection is my point.
false doctrine leads many astray from the truth though it’s not just set in stone
It matters if you accept the gospel or a bunch of distortions saying this is the gospel
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And
many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
my point is the truth is what Jesus said it is it’s why he was born
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.
To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
false teachers will be trying to get us to turn away from the truth and not acknolwedge it because it’s how one escapes from the devils grasp on them
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if
God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and
that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
That’s why we’re supposed to preach the gospel that’s written in his name , because his word is that power to convert one trapped in satans snare , and set them free when they hear and acknowledge it.
it’s silly to think we’re saved no
Matter what we do , and we’re condemned no matter what we do . If that’s the case why even preach the gospel at all why not just destroy people and save others ? Because
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
The truth said
“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for
I am not come to call the righteous, but
sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:13 KJV
God is not forcing anyone to be damned or anyone to be saved he’s offered life and warned of death like he has since Adam the choice becomes the person who hears. Do I accepting as the truth ? Or do I explain that it’s not and reject it and follow the Joseph prince or Paul Ellis ways of “ grace” that explains its not for you to accept and believe the gospel ?
it was not Gods Will that Adam ate the fruit he warned him of the consequence , it wasn’t Gods Will that osrael defile those covenant and fulfill the cirses he set before them and said to them “
Choose life “ it isn’t Gods Will for any man or woman to hear the gospel and reject it, offering life instead to all who are presently bound to sin and death he’s offered us salvation from it
all Man is doomed unless they hear and believe
The gospel is about saving them from thier destination
“wherein
in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
among whom also
we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and
were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ
Ephesians 2:2-5
the gospel is about converting sinners to repentance and life. Saving them from what’s coming to all Mankind . The only thing that can do that is to hear and acknowledge the gospel , the word of Christ , the truth the elect are those who hear and believe the gospel.
to explain its not within thier dapability to hear and believe is leading believers in the wrong direction and giving them a way to justify rejecting the gospel
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