Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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rogerg

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Acts 2:21
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Wow, Biblically stated.
Yeah, but it is speaking of the final salvation of the last day - wow now that's biblically stated

[1Co 5:5 KJV] 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 

Cameron143

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For the record, there is no state in the United States called Biblically. So I don't know which biblical state you guys are in.
I am familiar with the state of confusion but was unable to find it on the map.
 

oyster67

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Yeah, but it is speaking of the final salvation of the last day - wow now that's biblically stated

[1Co 5:5 KJV] 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
All salvation is brought to fruition at the last day. I am amazed at the level of tolerance that is extended to you here at CC. You may not be so fortunate when you have to stand before God and answer for your mutilation of the Gospel of Salvation.

Romans 8:
19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
 

oyster67

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Its based upon Gods Glory and His Sovereign Good pleasure from within Himself.
We know exactly what that is...
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

You need to know (you do know) that not everyone is going to repent and go to Heaven.
 

rogerg

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All salvation is brought to fruition at the last day. I am amazed at the level of tolerance that is extended to you here at CC. You may not be so fortunate when you have to stand before God and answer for your mutilation of the Gospel of Salvation.
Are you this obnoxious by nature or do you have to work at it? Your answer demonstrates your ignorance.
You obviously were unaware that the Bible uses the term "saved" in two different ways. Had you known that,
you wouldn't have chosen the verse you did in the context you used it, because it didn't fit. So, by that, you've shown your ignorance of the subject and you're trying to cover for it. But now you've been edified. And you're welcome.
Regarding tolerance, I'm not at all surprised that you would be "amazed" given your lack of understanding of the basics of salvation.
Keep in mind though, that the person who trusts in their works for salvation is calling God a liar and thereby mutilates the Gospel, and that is you.
 

cv5

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We know exactly what that is...
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Amen. "not" "willing" means exactly that. NOT WILLING.

2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not (G3361) willing (G1014) that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

G3361 - mē - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. no, not lest

G1014 - boulomai - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded
  2. of willing as an affection, to desire
 

Beckie

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Are you this obnoxious by nature or do you have to work at it? Your answer demonstrates your ignorance.
You obviously were unaware that the Bible uses the term "saved" in two different ways. Had you known that,
you wouldn't have chosen the verse you did in the context you used it, because it didn't fit. So, by that, you've shown your ignorance of the subject and you're trying to cover for it. But now you've been edified. And you're welcome.
Regarding tolerance, I'm not at all surprised that you would be "amazed" given your lack of understanding of the basics of salvation.
Keep in mind though, that the person who trusts in their works for salvation is calling God a liar and thereby mutilates the Gospel, and that is you.
WOW why so much name calling ? Do you believe the Scriptures today the same as you did when you first started studying them? Have you not grown in your understanding? Who are we, we because i pretty much agree wiht your thoughts though your methods stink, to attack one of God's kids? I know i was saved by His Grace years and years ago yet i thought God needed my help to keep me saved. Time & study opened my spirit to His Grace.
 

cv5

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demonstrates your ignorance.
Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Rev 2:21
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mat 21:32
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Jon 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

Mat 13:45
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
 

rogerg

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WOW why so much name calling ? Do you believe the Scriptures today the same as you did when you first started studying them? Have you not grown in your understanding? Who are we, we because i pretty much agree wiht your thoughts though your methods stink, to attack one of God's kids? I know i was saved by His Grace years and years ago yet i thought God needed my help to keep me saved. Time & study opened my spirit to His Grace.
Did you see his post to me? Here:

I am amazed at the level of tolerance that is extended to you here at CC. You may not be so fortunate when you have to stand before God and answer for your mutilation of the Gospel of Salvation.
 

rogerg

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Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Rev 2:21
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mat 21:32
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Jon 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

Mat 13:45
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Works for salvation are not of the Holy Spirit, nor of the Gospel message.