Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Paran

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Spoken by someone who cannot refute the verses set before him which demonstrates that he is wrong. Okay we're done here.
Just remember that Calvin was a confused carnal Cross rejecting deceiver who changed the Truth of God into the lie of "Calvinism".
 

Paran

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And had people murdered who disagreed with him.

Yes.

Most of the people who worship Calvin, and believe He wrote the bible...(you'd think so based on their drooling adoration of this heretic)..... "He loaded the Gun.""

In other words He could have dissented, opposed the BURNING of a CHRISTIAN who didn't agree with Him, but instead Calvin wanted them to just "cut off his head"... instead.
= What a demonic monster.
And to realize that his theological infection has deeply infected the CC and most of Protestantism.....well..... the Devil is very good at what he does.

= DECEPTION.

Calvin is one of Satan's PRIZED : Trophies of Deception.
 

rogerg

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Just remember that Calvin was a confused carnal Cross rejecting deceiver who changed the Truth of God into the lie of "Calvinism".
So, you believe Christ as the Saviour is a lie? Odd for someone who claims to be a Christian, isn't it? I think your belief
is instead in your works for salvation and not trusting in Christ's. Few can trust in Christ as it must be given to them as a gift.
 

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"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide." Fulcher of Chartres/Pope Urban II speech at the Council of Clermont 1095

Works are a fruit of synergism and this👆is blatant works

Point is, the “church” had overwhelmingly apostatized by the time of the crusades (some would say, largely due to synergism even though officially denounced), so trying to tie the doctrine of unconditional election to this is… it doesn’t hold water.
 

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Yes.

Most of the people who worship Calvin, and believe He wrote the bible...(you'd think so based on their adoration of this heretic)..... "He loaded the Gun.""

In other words He could have dissented, opposed the BURNING of a CHRISTIAN who didn't agree with Him, but instead he wanted them to just "cut off his head"... instead.
= What a demonic monster.
And to realize that his theological infection has infected the CC and most of Protestantism.....well..... the Devil is very good at what he does.

= DECEPTION.

Calvin is one of Satan's Trophies of Deception.
So, this is easy to resolve. Do you believe that Christ alone and fully and completely is the Saviour, or do you not?
A simple yes or no will suffice
 

Paran

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So, you believe Christ as the Saviour is a lie?.
The point im making about the heretic Calvin, has nothing to do with Jesus being the Savior.

ARe you not reading, or just not comprehending, rogerg?

Listen, Calvin took the Cross that is Given to the world and reduced it to "only the elect".

Calvin took the Grace of God, and PRE-conditioned it falsely ... to "pre-destined", ....and not as "the GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16. given to "the WORLD".

Jesus said He came into the world to save SINNERs and Jesus said that If He was lifted up on the Cross He would draw ALL people to Him.

Calvin said....' 'NO YOU WONT...... you will just choose whom i entitled the "pre- destined".

So, John Calvin, is a demonic, Christ rejecting, Grace denying, perverter of the NT.
 

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So, this is easy to resolve. Do you believe that Christ alone and fully and completely is the Saviour,
ARe you not reading, or just not comprehending, rogerg?

Listen, Calvin took the Cross that is Given to the world and reduced it to "only the elect".

Calvin took the Grace of God, and PRE-conditioned it falsely ... to "pre-destined", ....and not as "the GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16. given to "the WORLD".

Jesus said He came into the world to save SINNERs and Jesus said that If He was lifted up on the Cross He would draw ALL people to Him.

Calvin said....' 'NO YOU WONT...... you will just choose whom i entitled the "pre- destined".
 

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The point im making about the heretic Calvin, has nothing to do with Jesus being the Savior.

ARe you not reading, or just not comprehending, rogerg?

Listen, Calvin took the Cross that is Given to the world and reduced it to "only the elect".

Calvin took the Grace of God, and PRE-conditioned it falsely ... to "pre-destined", ....and not as "the GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16. given to "the WORLD".

Jesus said He came into the world to save SINNERs and Jesus said that If He was lifted up on the Cross He would draw ALL people to Him.

Calvin said....' 'NO YOU WONT...... you will just choose whom i entitled the "pre- destined".

So, John Calvin, is a demonic, Christ rejecting, Grace denying, perverter of the NT.
You're refusing to answer the question and demonstrate your beliefs. Is Christ the Saviour ,or is He not?
You should be eager to answer it. I will: Christ is Saviour in all ways, and we are in none.
 

Paran

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You're refusing to answer the question and demonstrate your beliefs. Is Christ the Saviour ,or is He not?

John 14:6

John 3:36

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Romans 3:21-28


Time to Wake up rogerg.


Calvin took the Grace of God, and PRE-conditioned it falsely ... to "pre-destined", ....and not as "the GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16. given to "the WORLD".

Jesus said He came into the world to save SINNERs and Jesus said that If He was lifted up on the Cross He would draw ALL people to Him.

Calvin said....' 'NO YOU WONT...... you will just choose whom i entitled the "pre- destined".
 

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Faith in Christ is not the Gift.
Amen. Thank you!!

This is the starting and end point of the disaster of Calvinism.

Calvinism is ubiquitous and it can be subtle. If anyone thinks their" saving faith" was a gift then they have put themselves in the Calvinist camp.
 

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You are one of those who apparently thinks that Calvin wrote the New Testament.
Let me assure you that He didnt even write a verse in it., tho, Calvinists believe that He is nearly equal to Christ.

The reality is, Calvin's theology is a deceived, demonic, subversive, assault against the Cross of Christ, and a complete rejection of God's Gift of Salvation.

Calvinism, is a "doctrine of devils".. Hebrews 13:9
lol You call the Gospel by the name of a man ? Thats very blasphemous to the Gospel Doctrines of Grace, and its unbelief in disguise.
 

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I refuted Calvinism in the last 20 posts.

and you posted this..

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


So, the inheritance is based on the Cross, and on being born again, but is separate from the walk of faith that occurs on Earth.
This is the same understanding as....>"will be conformed into the IMAGE of Christ"< as that happens after you die.
That is what is "predestined", and Calvin changed that into, "God predestined some to be chosen".
So, he totally changed verses to suit his demonic theology.

Your other verse, that is dealing with "The gift of Salvation", is understood as..

"Faith is counted as righteousness"....which has been done.
Proof?
The person is born again., as that is the PROOF that God has accepted their faith, already to give them the new birth.

The false teaching would be.

"if you hold unto your faith, you dont lose your salvation", as that person is trusting in FAITH, instead of trusting in Christ.

My usual stance is "never say never" for change, but my experience is that it is a very rare occurrence on here, so it is often is a waste of time to try to sway the person who holds to Calvinism to the light of scripture.

Having said this, I have appreciated the exegesis which clearly exposes the heretical components of Calvinism.
 

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To have faith in Christ is NOT a choice it is a gift - it is NOT what saves.
Natural, unsaved man, of himself CANNNOT truly believe.
Our faith does not bring to us salvation. Our faith is a gift (or a fruit) from salvation - it comes as a result of becoming born again
from salvation.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Amen Faith accompany's Salvation, it comes in the Salvation Package in by which God in Christ saved us Heb 6:9

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Pet 1:1-3


Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
 

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John 14:6

John 3:36

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Romans 3:21-28


Time to Wake up rogerg.


Calvin took the Grace of God, and PRE-conditioned it falsely ... to "pre-destined", ....and not as "the GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16. given to "the WORLD".

Jesus said He came into the world to save SINNERs and Jesus said that If He was lifted up on the Cross He would draw ALL people to Him.

Calvin said....' 'NO YOU WONT...... you will just choose whom i entitled the "pre- destined".
So, no answer? Not good! A Christian should be proud of his belief(s). And whether you realize it or not, your no answer is an answer, and one that has been spoken loudly. Your answer then is NO - that you do not believe in Christ as Saviour. But can a Christian not believe in Christ as the Saviour and still be a Christian? What of Christ then remains?
 

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My usual stance is "never say never" for change, but my experience is that it is a very rare occurrence on here, so it is often is a waste of time to try to sway the person who holds to Calvinism to the light of scripture.
Having said this, I have appreciated the exegesis which clearly exposes the heretical components of Calvinism.
God is very smart.
And you are exactly correct. As Titus 3:10 is a fact. Its a fact that when Calvinism has "subverted someone on the inside".... mentally, ... the chance of their recovery.....the chance they can escape their deception, is very slight. IT does happen, it can happen.

So, what God does, is use them on fourms........>He exposes them for the benefit of the weak tho REAL believers, so that they are protected and also... for the benefit of those who understand Calvinism's demonic approach to the Cross of Christ, and they become emboldened and out spoken.

JUDE told us, to "contend for the REAL FAITH"... And Paul said weeping that the enemies of the Cross are out there.... And it is worse now because Jesus is about to come back, reader.

So, In all this, Calvinism is reduced on Forums, as its on Forums that it is WIDELY allowed to rant and rave and park and preach.
Forums, are infected with it, because Forums are trying to allow conversation and debate, and Calvinists and "water cults' misuse this to try to deceive and ruin the faith of real believers.
 

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I gave you 4 Bible verses that explain that Jesus is the Salvation of God.

You dont have a bible? You can't read the verses unless i post them for you?

Lets just do one of them, as i dont want to overwhelm you, rogerb.

John 14:6

Jesus said, "im The WAY, the Truth and the Life".......... And Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but by Him".

And that WAY, is the "Cross of Christ", that is the new covenant, that is the Blood Atonement", that when preached as the "Gospel".... is
= """The power of God unto Salvation".

Jesus is not only THE Savior.
He is:

Eternal Life
The Resurrection
The Indwelling Holy Spirit
God manifested in the Flesh
The Light of the World
All Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge

And so much more.
 

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32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Pet 1:1-3

You're playing the Hyper-Calvinism shell game with these readers.

You are posting verses but you are not posting how CALVIN, the HERETIC< twisted them into TULIP false doctrine.

You need to be honest.

Calvin does not agree or teach that ALL are allowed to Believe in Jesus.
Calvin does not agree that "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

Calvin changes the Gift of God, the Cross of Christ, into...>"God only chose some to believe", and the others God CHOSE to go to HELL then the LAKE OF FIRE, and they have no chance to BELIEVE.

That is the Calvin "doctrine of devils"......its "conditional" salvation, and not "The GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16.


Jesus said that His Cross will Draw ALL to Him.....That His blood and death is for ALL...

Calvin said...>"nope........just those i have entitled the "pre-chosen".
 

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I gave you 4 Bible verses that explain that Jesus is the Salvation of God.

You dont have a bible? You can't read the verses unless i post them for you?

Lets just do one of them, as i dont want to overwhelm you, rogerb.

John 14:6

Jesus said, "im The WAY, the Truth and the Life".......... And Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but by Him".

And that WAY, is the "Cross of Christ", that is the new covenant, that is the Blood Atonement", that when preached as the "Gospel".... is
= """The power of God unto Salvation".

Jesus is not only THE Savior.
He is:

Eternal Life
The Resurrection
The Indwelling Holy Spirit
God manifested in the Flesh
The Light of the World
All Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge

And so much more.
And yet you insist that man must contribute to it in some manner, right? So, just posting those verses doesn't equate
to believing in Him as Saviour, given that you think that more is required than what He provided. Or do you believe His offering was fully complete in and of itself for salvation with nothing besides itself needed, required or allowed? Please, tell us.
 

Paran

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And yet you insist that man must contribute to it in some manner, right?
Never said that, never taught that.
You are DECEIVED, apparently.

Man does not "contribute" to the Cross of Christ.
Man, = "all have sinned".........are given the Cross of Christ as their REDEMPTION"< because "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

READ : 2 Corinthians 5:19

BUT, there is a condition.. Each person has to BELIEVE, as "Faith is counted as righteousness" by God.

How does a person come to faith in Christ?

Paul teaches that "Faith comes by HEARING" the Gospel.

Calvin denies this, and says that God chooses , "Pre-chooses" you before you are born".

Paul said, YOU CHOOSE Jesus, or not. = Free WILL

Calvinism opposes the Cross, opposes Paul's Gospel, and denies the Grace of God while pretended to teach it.
That is why its so demonic.