Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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NOV25

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Just remember that Calvin was a confused carnal Cross rejecting deceiver who changed the Truth of God into the lie of "Calvinism".
Calm down Mam, Calvin didn’t invent the doctrine of election or monergism, it’s been around as long as Christianity has…
 

John146

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1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
 

brightfame52

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You're playing the Hyper-Calvinism shell game with these readers.

You are posting verses but you are not posting how CALVIN, the HERETIC< twisted them into TULIP false doctrine.

You need to be honest.

Calvin does not agree or teach that ALL are allowed to Believe in Jesus.
Calvin does not agree that "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

Calvin changes the Gift of God, the Cross of Christ, into...>"God only chose some to believe", and the others God CHOSE to go to HELL then the LAKE OF FIRE, and they have no chance to BELIEVE.

That is the Calvin "doctrine of devils"......its "conditional" salvation, and not "The GIFT of Salvation" as John 3:16.


Jesus said that His Cross will Draw ALL to Him.....That His blood and death is for ALL...

Calvin said...>"nope........just those i have entitled the "pre-chosen".
unfortunate for you, you are rejecting the word of Truth in guise calling it calvinism, or hyper calvinism
 

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1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Thats all the elect, simple !
 

John146

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Thats all the elect, simple !
All men include kings and all that are in authority. Question, are all kings and all that are in authority saved? All men in verse 1 is the same term, all men, that is used in verse 4.
 

rogerg

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Never said that, never taught that.
You are DECEIVED, apparently.

Man does not "contribute" to the Cross of Christ.
Man, = "all have sinned".........are given the Cross of Christ as their REDEMPTION"< because "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

READ : 2 Corinthians 5:19

BUT, there is a condition.. Each person has to BELIEVE, as "Faith is counted as righteousness" by God.

How does a person come to faith in Christ?

Paul teaches that "Faith comes by HEARING" the Gospel.

Calvin denies this, and says that God chooses , "Pre-chooses" you before you are born".

Paul said, YOU CHOOSE Jesus, or not. = Free WILL

Calvinism opposes the Cross, opposes Paul's Gospel, and denies the Grace of God while pretended to teach it.
That is why its so demonic.
So then a person does have to do something for it - having to satisfy a condition is to do something, isn't it ?
If a man has to satisfy a condition to become saved, and if they don't, they're not saved. and if they do, then they're saved,
it sounds to me like in that case, a man has to become their own saviour making Christ not the Saviour.
A person comes to faith because faith is given to him through being born-again as a fruit of the Spirit.
It is not something they can manufacture but neither does their faith does save them - it comes as a result of salvation.
Only Christ's faith is counted as righteousness for those to whom it is imputed - a faith a person may produce has no righteousness
and means nothing to God. Only Christ's faith does. Christ's faith is what brought salvation.
The "hearing" you mentioned is spiritual hearing, not human hearing. Spiritual ears to hear are another thing given by the Holy Spirit
when someone becomes saved. So, if God doesn't do everything required for salvation on our behalf, then neither can there be mercy or grace, meaning that Jesus isn't the Saviour - and we're all on our own to achieve it, which we can never do, and therefore, no one will become saved.
Christ can't be a part-way Saviour. He is either 100% Saviour fully and completely in all ways or He isn't Saviour at all, period -
with no if, ands, or buts about it

[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 

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All men include kings and all that are in authority. Question, are all kings and all that are in authority saved? All men in verse 1 is the same term, all men, that is used in verse 4.
The "all men" are those whom the Father gave to the Son to be saved. It includes people irrespective of color, creed, nationality,
rank in society, or any other category you can think of. There is but one commonality between all- that God had chosen them individually for salvation from before the foundation of the world - nothing else.

[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
 

NOV25

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Thus says the Lord:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
and makes flesh his strength,[a]
whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Jeremiah 17:5
 

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All men include kings and all that are in authority. Question, are all kings and all that are in authority saved? All men in verse 1 is the same term, all men, that is used in verse 4.
Yes if theyre elect, God has elect in all walks/stations of life, for instance, King David
 

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Yes if theyre elect, God has elect in all walks/stations of life, for instance, King David
It's not an "if" in the passage. All men include kings and all that are in authority, and yet, kings and all that are in authority are not saved. Calvinists have to add to the word of God to fit their theology. Allow the bible to dictate your theology and leave the bible as stands.
 

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It's not an "if" in the passage. All men include kings and all that are in authority, and yet, kings and all that are in authority are not saved. Calvinists have to add to the word of God to fit their theology. Allow the bible to dictate your theology and leave the bible as stands.
Salvation is only for the elect, the if is fine, it clarifies the Truth.
 

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Salvation is only for the elect, the if is fine, it clarifies the Truth.
To come to that conclusion, one has to add to the word of God. I’m not willing to do that for anyone or any system of theology. No thank you.
 

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Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my
course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Acts20-24
:)
 

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The confusion is really not this OP's absurd doctrine.

What is it ????? is this...

Who decided for the Body of Christ that J. Calvin and J. Arminius, have decided for the "body of Christ", what we have to believe or not?
Who decided this for you???

All these churches and all these forum members who can rant endlessly about Mary, Calvin's teaching, Arminius's teaching, water baptism, commandments, and what the Pope said.......yet, if you asked them to explain the "blood atonement", they'd have to go to wikepedia to try to figure it out to then post and pretend they knew it all along.
And if you asked them.....>"What is the Preaching of the Cross"......that Paul said Christ sent him and me and you to DO.......they'd have no idea, and would have to go to wikipedia, once again.....to then cut and paste and PRETEND they knew all along.

And about that "pre-destined to be conformed, according to the Foreknowledge of God" ......that has been twisted by heretics to teach the LIE that God chooses some to be born so that they are burned in the lake of fire, having no option to be able to trust in Christ and go to Heaven.
These heretics teach that God only gives the Cross for SOME. These deceived teach that Jesus's Blood is not offered to ALL.

And what ive noticed, is that this "some" who are the ELECT who teach this theological vomit...... its always them and their family and church who are the Elect.........but probably not you or your family.
For you and your family and your church, its 50/50 if you are LUCKY.

Just remember that this predestined to burn in hell doctrine.... is anti-God, anti-Christ, and anti-Cross.
Dont let them get you caught up in it,.... as this heresy is one of the Devil's best he ever created and he will blind you with it as well...
Thats a bit too much. Even if you don't agree with calvinism surely you can agree that Calvinists are our brothers in Christ?
 

NOV25

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Thats a bit too much. Even if you don't agree with calvinism surely you can agree that Calvinists are our brothers in Christ?
Seems like he’s talking about double predestination, people who hate Calvin often do this out of ignorance or spite.

If he wasn’t banned I would remind him that Arminians (synergists) must answer the question as well: Why did God create people knowing they would burn?

It’s a tough question the monergists and the synergist both must address, the answer being in Romans.

Romans 9:14-24

[14] What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! [15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. [17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” [18] So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

[19] You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” [20] But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” [21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? [22] What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, [23] in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—[24] even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
 

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Seems like he’s talking about double predestination, people who hate Calvin often do this out of ignorance or spite.

If he wasn’t banned I would remind him that Arminians (synergists) must answer the question as well: Why did God create people knowing they would burn?

It’s a tough question the monergists and the synergist both must address, the answer being in Romans.

Romans 9:14-24

[14] What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! [15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. [17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” [18] So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

[19] You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” [20] But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” [21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? [22] What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, [23] in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—[24] even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
Double predestination is correct for Calvinists, they don't like to admit it, but it simply follows.

If you are NOT chosen for salvation, then you are automatically by default chosen for damnation. Thats just how it goes.
A vessel of wrath in that case.
 

NOV25

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Double predestination is correct for Calvinists, they don't like to admit it, but it simply follows.

If you are NOT chosen for salvation, then you are automatically by default chosen for damnation. Thats just how it goes.
A vessel of wrath in that case.
The point I made was the Arminian (synergist) and the Calvinist (monergist) BOTH must answer why God creates some that spend eternity in hell.

In other words, it’s not only a question for the Calvinist.
 

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The point I made was the Arminian (synergist) and the Calvinist (monergist) BOTH must answer why God creates some that spend eternity in hell.

In other words, it’s not only a question for the Calvinist.
I agree. Only way out of this is open theism, which is heretical according to most if not all.